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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2018 19:52:40 GMT
Powerful Stuff
Great performances all round
Only thing the Doctor's confrontation with the Brother should've been more forceful somehow
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 19:53:42 GMT
Wasn’t feeling that
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Post by jolyon on Nov 11, 2018 19:59:35 GMT
All the darkness of a Hartnell historical as a TARDIS crew of four cannot change one line of an established history from a period I wasn't taught at school. Gold star Doctor Who.
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Post by stcoop on Nov 11, 2018 20:00:16 GMT
Oh dear, yet another episode that seems to have wandered in from another series in which our 'heroes' are mostly ineffectual and barely effect the plot.
I understand the desire to reinvent the series after Moffat's version drove millions of viewers away but if you're going to turn it into something that's Doctor Who in name only, what's the point?
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Post by Tony Jones on Nov 11, 2018 20:01:41 GMT
Poll added
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Post by The Matt on Nov 11, 2018 20:05:12 GMT
Story wise and acting wise it was strong so I give it a 4/5. That said, is 13 the most ineffectual Doctor yet?....
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 20:06:33 GMT
Oh dear, yet another episode that seems to have wandered in from another series in which our 'heroes' are mostly ineffectual and barely effect the plot. What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 20:07:05 GMT
Rubbish. Actually no point at all in the Dr & co being there. They did nothing to impact on events in any way!
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Post by thethirddoctor on Nov 11, 2018 20:09:57 GMT
Oh dear, yet another episode that seems to have wandered in from another series in which our 'heroes' are mostly ineffectual and barely effect the plot. What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
Fans enjoyed The Aztecs.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 20:11:48 GMT
Rubbish. Actually no point at all in the Dr & co being there. They did nothing to impact on events in any way! Same thing you could say about, lemme see... Aztecs, Reign of Terror, Romans, St. Bartholomew's Eve, Fires of Vulcan, Fires of Pompeii, Peterloo Massacre and pretty much most of the non Holmes horror-historicals.
Also the point: Yaz wanted to know what happened with Nani.
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Post by stcoop on Nov 11, 2018 20:12:17 GMT
Oh dear, yet another episode that seems to have wandered in from another series in which our 'heroes' are mostly ineffectual and barely effect the plot. What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
It's not a documentary. The episode is whatever the person who writes it wants it to be.
Pulling away from the Doctor as all-powerful superbeing known and feared across all of time and space is welcome but in their place we now have someone who accomplishes barely anything while having it presented as a triumph.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2018 20:15:43 GMT
What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
It's not a documentary. The episode is whatever the person who writes it wants it to be.
Pulling away from the Doctor as all-powerful superbeing known and feared across all of time and space is welcome but in their place we now have someone who accomplishes barely anything while having it presented as a triumph.
And that's the point the writer wrote the story to inform about the Partition from the perspective of ordinary people caught up in it.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 20:16:04 GMT
What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
It's not a documentary. The episode is whatever the person who writes it wants it to be.
Pulling away from the Doctor as all-powerful superbeing known and feared across all of time and space is welcome but in their place we now have someone who accomplishes barely anything while having it presented as a triumph.
No one's talking about docs: your original comment was 'Oh dear, yet another episode that seems to have wandered in from another series in which our 'heroes' are mostly ineffectual and barely effect the plot.' My response still stands.
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Post by The Matt on Nov 11, 2018 20:19:44 GMT
Rubbish. Actually no point at all in the Dr & co being there. They did nothing to impact on events in any way! Same thing you could say about, lemme see... Aztecs, Reign of Terror, Romans, St. Bartholomew's Eve, Fires of Vulcan, Fires of Pompeii, Peterloo Massacre and pretty much most of the non Holmes horror-historicals.
Also the point: Yaz wanted to know what happened with Nani.
It's been a while since I watched it but the Doctor does make in impact doesn't he? He saves Caecilius and his family?
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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2018 20:21:11 GMT
What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
Fans enjoyed The Aztecs.
Actually I would say this is equivalent to the Aztecs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 20:21:47 GMT
Rubbish. Actually no point at all in the Dr & co being there. They did nothing to impact on events in any way! Same thing you could say about, lemme see... Aztecs, Reign of Terror, Romans, St. Bartholomew's Eve, Fires of Vulcan, Fires of Pompeii, Peterloo Massacre and pretty much most of the non Holmes horror-historicals.
Also the point: Yaz wanted to know what happened with Nani.
I know.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 11, 2018 20:21:48 GMT
Quietly powerful stuff. Solid acting, decent twist on the aliens’ reasons to be there. If this and Rosa are the new standard for historicals, then keep them coming.
As for them accomplishing little, well it worked for The Aztecs, and it worked here imo. Actually thought the first half saw the Doctor being quite proactive.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 11, 2018 20:26:59 GMT
One of the better episodes of this season, I think, but it really underlines that these one-episode stories aren't working. Stories need room to breathe; greater detail over separate episodes means that it's so much more difficult for the modern series to live up to the favourite twentieth-century stories.
Also, three companions - stil not working. This week, Ryan plays Yaz. But it was nice to see the Doctor doing some science for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 20:29:42 GMT
Quietly powerful stuff. Solid acting, decent twist on the aliens’ reasons to be there. If this and Rosa are the new standard for historicals, then keep them coming. As for them accomplishing little, well it worked for The Aztecs, and it worked here imo. Actually thought the first half saw the Doctor being quite proactive. Never seen Atzecs. But in this one if the Dr & co hadn't been there nothing would have happened differently. Yes it portrayed an important part of history but offered no drama for the main cast.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 20:30:16 GMT
Same thing you could say about, lemme see... Aztecs, Reign of Terror, Romans, St. Bartholomew's Eve, Fires of Vulcan, Fires of Pompeii, Peterloo Massacre and pretty much most of the non Holmes horror-historicals.
Also the point: Yaz wanted to know what happened with Nani.
It's been a while since I watched it but the Doctor does make in impact doesn't he? He saves Caecilius and his family? That's correct, but he can't stop Vesuvius or all the others who die that day.
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