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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 11, 2018 20:31:41 GMT
I liked Paul Magrs comments on the episode;
Much, much better Dr Who tonight, I thought. Fascinating to go back to the original premise of arriving in key moments in history and getting caught up, but not being able to interfere.......<snip> ........but I do like the fact that we've gone back to the idea of the programme explicating complex moments in history and teaching us...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 11, 2018 20:32:12 GMT
What could they do? Stop partition? Reunite India? Save the guy, thereby erase Yaz and her family from history?
Even the Hartnell historical had the crew unable to change events - Barbara couldn't stop the Aztecs' barbaric practices.
It's not a documentary. The episode is whatever the person who writes it wants it to be.
Pulling away from the Doctor as all-powerful superbeing known and feared across all of time and space is welcome but in their place we now have someone who accomplishes barely anything while having it presented as a triumph.
Sometimes not doing anything requires more strength of character than facing down an army of Daleks. The Doctor COULD have changed history a number of times. She could have done so very easily a number of times. But she didn’t because she knows the damage it would cause. im reminded of Superman’s “world of egg shells” speech from the old Justice League cartoon, where he says he has to walk softly all the time, he has to consider every single action all the time because the world is made of egg shells and he could smash it if he wasn’t careful. thats the Doctor when they walk in history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 20:35:23 GMT
That was incredible. Easily the best episode since 2015. Just wow. Everything (bar the alien costumes) worked, even Jodie was good tonight. BRING BACK VINAY!
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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2018 20:37:18 GMT
That was incredible. Easily the best episode since 2015. Just wow. Everything (bar the alien costumes) worked, even Jodie was good tonight. BRING BACK VINAY! Certainly a very strong contender
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Post by The Matt on Nov 11, 2018 20:47:31 GMT
It's been a while since I watched it but the Doctor does make in impact doesn't he? He saves Caecilius and his family? That's correct, but he can't stop Vesuvius or all the others who die that day. Still an impact though
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 20:50:43 GMT
It does play like a more refined Rosa: tackling tough subject matter, placing the onus on the human element and leaving oru team of travellers with difficult choices. Childs manages to make a rather tense and eerie story, despite being set against bright sunlight, and Patel finds a novel, even slightly Big Finish-y spin on the standard Holmes horror-historical element with the aliens: a race of murderers who atone by honouring the lost and forgotten victims of war.
Tied into a lot of World War One, which fits for an episode airing on both Rembrance Sunday, and the 100th anniversary of the armistice.
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Post by doctorkernow on Nov 11, 2018 20:54:52 GMT
A fascinating portrait of a family stuck in the middle of an nightmare. Trying to be different in a world where you can only be part of your own faith. To rock the boat incites hatred from those who value tradition over happiness. Unfortunately, this still happens now.
With the centenary of WWI today, the memories of the forgotten fallen was very appropriate. There are always forgotten casualties in any war.
The guest cast were very strong and the regulars quickly adapted to being swept up into history. I really enjoyed this one. The music was interesting particularly the arrangement of the endtheme.
This and Rosa are the standouts so far. The sci-fi ones for me have been a little weaker. Also, still no evil monsters. Are they all at The Monster Union Congress on Skaro plotting new ways to catch the Doctor?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 21:18:03 GMT
Hmmm...perhaps Thirteen has finally learned the lesson about the consequences of interfering in history that Ten failed to grasp with saving Adelaide Brooke, Eleven with showing Vincent Van Gogh his future and changing the outcome of the final day of the Time War, and Twelve forcing immortality on Ashildir..
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Post by melkur on Nov 11, 2018 21:18:33 GMT
Whilst I would say that it dragged a little bit towards the end, that was certainly an improvement on last week's!
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Post by thethirddoctor on Nov 11, 2018 21:19:22 GMT
Hmmm...perhaps Thirteen has finally learned the lesson about the consequences of interfering in history that Ten failed to grasp with saving Adelaide Brooke, Eleven with showing Vincent Van Gogh his future and changing the outcome of the final day of the Time War, and Twelve forcing immortality on Ashildir.. Then, the writer has to find something else interesting in the story to tell.
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Post by pazzer on Nov 11, 2018 21:20:40 GMT
The family gathering at the start felt fake and was a bit lost when everyone just suddenly ended up in the Tardis. But once they got to India I was hooked. It's not what I expected at all, reminded me a bit of Rosa in that the Doctor is powerless to change things. Might have been a bit of a cop out to have the aliens not turn out to be a threat but it looked and sounded great and I enjoyed watching it.
Though that's now two episodes about Yaz's family and she still feels the least developed companion. Also surprised at how much am liking Graham.
6/10
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 11, 2018 21:23:49 GMT
That was damn good. More of that please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
As a historical I found the Demons of the Punjab to be better than Rosa, as an episode of Doctor Who I thought this was very good. Another very enjoyable S11 episode which gets a 4/5 from me in the poll.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 21:33:23 GMT
That's correct, but he can't stop Vesuvius or all the others who die that day. Still an impact though They didn't go back to change anything though? They just went back to visit Yaz's nan and find out about the watch. You're not going to get Dr Who saving the day if the story never gave you that as a setup in the first place.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 21:37:16 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2018 21:39:35 GMT
Hmm, the weakest episode so far for me. I still enjoyed it, I thought it was good, even, but yeah, I thought it was the weakest. I think the main reason behind that is I felt the actors playing the younger versions of Yaz’s grandparents were weak, so the emotion fell a little flat for me. A slight shame, as if I’d found them more convincing, I think this would have been a better handling on fixed historical events than Rosa. And that was brilliant!
I’m guessing Yaz’s grandmother must have been been in the early stages of pregnancy prior to her grandfather’s death? This series has been so exposition heavy, so no mention of that seemed odd.
After 5 episodes of barely saying a word to each other, Graham and Yaz finally had a conversation! And a really lovely one at that, albeit brief.
The music this week was great, I really loved the variant of the closing theme.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2018 21:46:45 GMT
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Post by The Matt on Nov 11, 2018 22:06:25 GMT
Hmm, the weakest episode so far for me. I still enjoyed it, I thought it was good, even, but yeah, I thought it was the weakest. I think the main reason behind that is I felt the actors playing the younger versions of Yaz’s grandparents were weak, so the emotion fell a little flat for me. A slight shame, as if I’d found them more convincing, I think this would have been a better handling on fixed historical events than Rosa. And that was brilliant! I’m guessing Yaz’s grandmother must have been been in the early stages of pregnancy prior to her grandfather’s death? This series has been so exposition heavy, so no mention of that seemed odd. After 5 episodes of barely saying a word to each other, Graham and Yaz finally had a conversation! And a really lovely one at that, albeit brief. The music this week was great, I really loved the variant of the closing theme. That wasn't Yaz's grandfather.......
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2018 22:27:49 GMT
That’s what my partner said, but I don’t think it’s very well explained in the episode.
Unless I’m being completely thick and missed something? I think it could have done with Yaz’s grandma remembering Yaz at the end of the episode. She gives the watch go Yaz, knowing she somehow manages to go back in time and figure out the truth.
Like I said, it’s been such an exposition heavy series, that the lack of any explanation for this is strange!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 22:42:59 GMT
This seems to have divided opinion more than any other episode so far, I think. I won't be able to see it till Wednesday, but I'm certainly looking forward to it based on most of the comments here, and also comparisons to 'The Aztecs', which is a terrific story.
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