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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 20, 2019 20:33:10 GMT
This was a good Doctor Who story and an especially good 6th Doctor story.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 3, 2019 8:42:48 GMT
Great story
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Post by thegreendeath on Oct 3, 2019 18:55:58 GMT
A really good script equal to Andrews great Cyberman and Sontaran scripts. All the performances were quite good except I thought the woman who played Carmen let the production down. She seemed bored and as a result the central conflict the script is based around didn’t quite work to me. A 5/5 that becomes a 4/5 because of her performance.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 31, 2019 17:21:42 GMT
I enjoyed it, but it was also not all that different from any other number of Dalek stories. There's a resistance, which has been partially infiltrated. Doc shows up, leads the charge. Someone has a change of heart. Eventually, the Daleks lose.
But despite that, I still enjoyed it quite a bit.
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Post by slithe on Nov 3, 2019 11:56:24 GMT
I enjoyed it, but it was also not all that different from any other number of Dalek stories. There's a resistance, which has been partially infiltrated. Doc shows up, leads the charge. Someone has a change of heart. Eventually, the Daleks lose.
But despite that, I still enjoyed it quite a bit.
Yep, I totally get that. However, is there really a way around this? Ironically, the Daleks are the only villains (on the TV show at least) who have ever actually 'won' - they successfully invade the Earth twice (Dalek Invasion of Earth and Day of the Daleks) all the other invasion attempts are stopped or repelled by the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 6:48:55 GMT
I enjoyed it, but it was also not all that different from any other number of Dalek stories. There's a resistance, which has been partially infiltrated. Doc shows up, leads the charge. Someone has a change of heart. Eventually, the Daleks lose.
But despite that, I still enjoyed it quite a bit.
Yep, I totally get that. However, is there really a way around this? Ironically, the Daleks are the only villains (on the TV show at least) who have ever actually 'won' - they successfully invade the Earth twice (Dalek Invasion of Earth and Day of the Daleks) all the other invasion attempts are stopped or repelled by the Doctor. There's something to be said for an adversary who can only be defeated because their invasion hasn't occurred yet. In the context of human history, The Dalek Invasion of Earth comes in the same era as The Seeds of Death, The Wheel in Space, Warriors of the Deep and The Moonbase. Humanity had its Seabases, T-Mat, satellite weapons, an elementary rocketry programme, weather control, direct sync-op links between hominids and computer... All those advances and the Daleks still kicked their teeth in with asteroid bombardment and bio-warfare. Scattering them into the tiny communities we see holed up in central London. Makes me wonder... When was the last time we looked at the Daleks in the context of chemists and virologists?
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 4, 2019 8:15:26 GMT
Yep, I totally get that. However, is there really a way around this? Ironically, the Daleks are the only villains (on the TV show at least) who have ever actually 'won' - they successfully invade the Earth twice (Dalek Invasion of Earth and Day of the Daleks) all the other invasion attempts are stopped or repelled by the Doctor. There's something to be said for an adversary who can only be defeated because their invasion hasn't occurred yet. In the context of human history, The Dalek Invasion of Earth comes in the same era as The Seeds of Death, The Wheel in Space, Warriors of the Deep and The Moonbase. Humanity had its Seabases, T-Mat, satellite weapons, an elementary rocketry programme, weather control, direct sync-op links between hominids and computer... All those advances and the Daleks still kicked their teeth in with asteroid bombardment and bio-warfare. Scattering them into the tiny communities we see holed up in central London. Makes me wonder... When was the last time we looked at the Daleks in the context of chemists and virologists?Funny you should say that. Just watched a YouTube video on the recent recreation and the reviewer said exactly that- the Daleks have become one-trick ponies, rushing in guns blazing. Back in the day, they used diplomacy and biological warfare (Varga plants) and they were a lot more sneaky and devious.
Although I have to say BF helps to rectify that a bit, compared to the TV series.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 4, 2019 11:28:19 GMT
Makes me wonder... When was the last time we looked at the Daleks in the context of chemists and virologists?Funny you should say that. Just watched a YouTube video on the recent recreation and the reviewer said exactly that- the Daleks have become one-trick ponies, rushing in guns blazing. Back in the day, they used diplomacy and biological warfare (Varga plants) and they were a lot more sneaky and devious.
Although I have to say BF helps to rectify that a bit, compared to the TV series.
I blame the influence of Hollywood, they want everyone to rush in guns blazing. They'd gladly make James Bond into Rambo and I shouldn't say that that in jest because they probably did while I wasn't looking. ;-) To be fair, when I went back and watched the earlier episodes with Daleks, I wasn't taking them that seriously until they started shooting people - that blinking negative effect really was pretty unsettling. I know what you mean though, I do think they'd be at risk of being one-note with "Ex-ter-min-ate" if it weren't for stories that go out of their way to add more depth. Stories that touch on the subject of their humanity like Power of the Daleks certainly helped with that. I think innovations like a Time Strategist do too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:50:52 GMT
Funny you should say that. Just watched a YouTube video on the recent recreation and the reviewer said exactly that- the Daleks have become one-trick ponies, rushing in guns blazing. Back in the day, they used diplomacy and biological warfare (Varga plants) and they were a lot more sneaky and devious.
Although I have to say BF helps to rectify that a bit, compared to the TV series.
I blame the influence of Hollywood, they want everyone to rush in guns blazing. They'd gladly make James Bond into Rambo and I shouldn't say that that in jest because they probably did while I wasn't looking. ;-) To be fair, when I went back and watched the earlier episodes with Daleks, I wasn't taking them that seriously until they started shooting people - that blinking negative effect really was pretty unsettling. I know what you mean though, I do think they'd be at risk of being one-note with "Ex-ter-min-ate" if it weren't for stories that go out of their way to add more depth. Stories that touch on the subject of their humanity like Power of the Daleks certainly helped with that. I think innovations like a Time Strategist do too. That's the interesting thing about The Power of the Daleks. In the context of the story, the Daleks themselves don't have to do terribly much heavylifting. What they do instead is focus on analysing the power dynamics of Vulcan colony, just as the Doctor does on his arrival. In their case, though, they see the fractures developing from civil unrest and offer each side a boon. Something the divided humans can use against one another. The greater the capacity for development in the Daleks, the greater the likelihood they'll assist in getting them what they want. Coaxing up that violence until its like the Cats of Kilkenny in that colony. Then, once they get their power and martial law has people running scared, they take control and exterminate the survivors. They're deceptively patient creatures, in that regard. Consequently, the Doctor's solution in The Evil of the Daleks is rather ironic. How does he best them? Coaxing up that in-fighting. Just like they did on Vulcan. Tit for tat.
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Post by Ela on May 14, 2021 20:32:02 GMT
I thought this was an enjoyable story. I liked the plot, though you could see where it was going: collaboration with the Daleks never ends well.
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