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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 4, 2022 10:06:29 GMT
Mr H reviews had already reported on it a while ago that the test audiences absolutely hated the film - Keaton was only in 5 scenes and doesn’t even train Batgirl so I guess the executives thought it’s better to cut their losses I feel bad for Brendan Frazer but for such a lovely guy he deserved a better film The sources are very conflicted on that - some are also saying the film tested fine, not great but average, but it does seem like Fraser was getting the most consistent praise across the board for his Firefly. So there's that.
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Post by grinch on Aug 4, 2022 19:26:46 GMT
Even though I’m greatly fatigued by superheroes as a whole these days, I feel a great swell of pity for the creative talent involved. All that time and effort now completely wasted.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 4, 2022 20:32:12 GMT
As a primarily DC fan, Warner is an absolute joke. What kind of mess were these movies in that they needed to be cancelled in post production? The feeling I get from fan commentary and “I know a bloke” commentary is the direction they were trying to resuscitate the cinematic DCU in relied very heavily on certain, now very tarnished,elements like an Ezra Miller led Flash film and he’s now gotten so many allegations and actual criminal proceedings against him like AVOs and allegations of grooming that anything he’s connected to is becoming incredibly toxic and WB has decided to cut their losses and probably do an across the board reboot of everything, which is a shame for Momoa, Affleck and Gadot (all of whom did incredibly in their roles).
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 4, 2022 20:39:55 GMT
As a primarily DC fan, Warner is an absolute joke. What kind of mess were these movies in that they needed to be cancelled in post production? The feeling I get from fan commentary and “I know a bloke” commentary is the direction they were trying to resuscitate the cinematic DCU in relied very heavily on certain, now very tarnished,elements like an Ezra Miller led Flash film and he’s now gotten so many allegations and actual criminal proceedings against him like AVOs and allegations of grooming that anything he’s connected to is becoming incredibly toxic and WB has decided to cut their losses and probably do an across the board reboot of everything, which is a shame for Momoa, Affleck and Gadot (all of whom did incredibly in their roles). I think 1 difference is Kevin Feige/Marvel has a long term plan actually written out and prepped before they started on Iron Man 1 leading up to Avengers 4 Endgame. It was all written out. with DC they unfortunately seem to look like they are making it up as they go along. A "Supes Bats WW " movie should be a licen$e to print money.
I was looking forward to Batgirl as I collect the comics too.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 4, 2022 20:51:41 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 5, 2022 7:47:58 GMT
Best news I've heard all week it looked awful, hope The Flash movie cancelled next, How can you release a movie about a superhero when the main star is on the run for assaulting women & other crimes.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 5, 2022 9:13:54 GMT
Best news I've heard all week it looked awful, hope The Flash movie cancelled next, How can you release a movie about a superhero when the main star is on the run for assaulting women & other crimes. I really hope it gets canned as much as I like Michael Keaton Keaton should have his own Batman Beyond film instead And yeah with the messed up stuff and grooming Ezra has done Is just shocking and he should be in jail
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 5, 2022 12:10:06 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 5, 2022 12:17:26 GMT
Let’s hope he gets locked up for good WB should just Cut their losses with the flash film not like it was going to be good especially given the leaks and Erasing Cavill’s Superman and Affleck’s Batman and replacing them with Super girl and 70 year old Michael Keaton (probably the only thing that film has going for it) is just dumb
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 5, 2022 13:06:07 GMT
I think fans are getting too wrapped in if they were/weren't excited for Batgirl to see wood for the trees here: the bigger issue is a giant violation of trust. I'd believe Zaslav' whole 'we're doing quality not quantity', if he literally didn't just give the kinds of filmmakers who could give him 'quality' no reason to work at Warners. Why work on a good film if you've even less guarantees than normal that it'll get released? And don't get me started on Flash - so Miller is 'better for the brand'?
Even the writer of the Sonic movies has more business sense than Zaslav it seems:
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Post by Digi on Aug 5, 2022 14:16:43 GMT
Whatever was or wasn't wrong with Batgirl, whatever led WB/DC to their decision, I find this deeply meanspirited. The people involved in them are his filmmaking peers, and here he is making fun of an executive's decision to throw their work away. Not cool.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 5, 2022 14:29:44 GMT
Whatever was or wasn't wrong with Batgirl, whatever led WB/DC to their decision, I find this deeply meanspirited. The people involved in them are his filmmaking peers, and here he is making fun of an executive's decision to throw their work away. Not cool. There's either financial skulduggery galore going on somewhere or they think they've suddenly lost their power to market to their audience/ subscription base. Regards mark687
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 5, 2022 21:39:44 GMT
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Post by masterdoctor on Aug 5, 2022 21:55:51 GMT
Yeah if there was only one test screening(which is doubtful as multiple test screenings will be done for different stages of Post), that gives Zsalav even less of a leg to stand-on. Honestly, this whole situation has put me off supporting DC movies like Aquaman, Shazam 2, Black Adam and The Flash, which isn’t much of a loss anyways. I’ll stick to Reeves and Gunn’s contribution and I think that’s it. EDIT: Nevermind the fact that I can’t get excited for any DC movies when I don’t know if I’ll ever actually see them.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 6, 2022 8:30:04 GMT
Good on Zsalav I think long term he'll turn DC around.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 6, 2022 21:01:08 GMT
Good on Zsalav I think long term he'll turn DC around. But how can he if he's basically giving filmmakers no reason to trust anything he says? Would you want to work for a boss who'd throw your work away so he can gip the taxman?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 6, 2022 22:08:25 GMT
Good on Zsalav I think long term he'll turn DC around. Conversely - he thinks reality TV is that long term fix. ALL the DC cinematic universe needs is a quiet reboot (you don’t even need to recast anyone except the Flash) and a five year plan… ohh and not to have all their fights happen either in dark rooms or at night. On TV things were getting stale, but take a look at what people are clamouring for and give it to them - a Gotham Series WITH THE BAT. Season 1 - the Bat versus the Mob. No metas yet, but introduce the likes of Crane, Friez, Quinzell and Isley pre-transformation. Scaffold in the possibility of things like woman becoming plants, men getting transformed into snowmen and infectious fear. The finale would be a showdown with the first meta. Season 2 - the mob pushes back with weaponising the metas, but still keeping things mostly human level (Riddler, Deathstroke, those sort of villains, hell, even throw in the Flash Rogues). Dick Grayson. Season 3 - it’s Gotham versus the Metas. Batman starts to go all Dark Knight Returns. Dick and Jason. Season 4 - someone calls Batman on his bullshit and he has an epphiany. Allusions to Joker throughout the season. Season 5 - Joker, the end of the Bat, the rise of Bruce Wayne. Damian Wayne.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 6, 2022 22:26:52 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 7, 2022 8:02:23 GMT
Good on Zsalav I think long term he'll turn DC around. Conversely - he thinks reality TV is that long term fix. ALL the DC cinematic universe needs is a quiet reboot (you don’t even need to recast anyone except the Flash) and a five year plan… ohh and not to have all their fights happen either in dark rooms or at night. On TV things were getting stale, but take a look at what people are clamouring for and give it to them - a Gotham Series WITH THE BAT. Season 1 - the Bat versus the Mob. No metas yet, but introduce the likes of Crane, Friez, Quinzell and Isley pre-transformation. Scaffold in the possibility of things like woman becoming plants, men getting transformed into snowmen and infectious fear. The finale would be a showdown with the first meta. Season 2 - the mob pushes back with weaponising the metas, but still keeping things mostly human level (Riddler, Deathstroke, those sort of villains, hell, even throw in the Flash Rogues). Dick Grayson. Season 3 - it’s Gotham versus the Metas. Batman starts to go all Dark Knight Returns. Dick and Jason. Season 4 - someone calls Batman on his bullshit and he has an epphiany. Allusions to Joker throughout the season. Season 5 - Joker, the end of the Bat, the rise of Bruce Wayne. Damian Wayne. I'd love a dark gritty Batman series there's so many graphic novels to use per season which would work as a longer 10 episode format. Batman is my favourite character and while I enjoyed the recent The Batman there's so much lore that needs to be seen and a series done right would be amazing.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 7, 2022 8:10:38 GMT
Good on Zsalav I think long term he'll turn DC around. But how can he if he's basically giving filmmakers no reason to trust anything he says? Would you want to work for a boss who'd throw your work away so he can gip the taxman? The way I see it is this films so bad they'd rather write it off than face fan criticism & bad word of mouth, the quality of most movies today are forgetful lazy hokum, where's the passion gone? This year I've enjoyed The Batman, Dr Strange 2 & Prey, 3 films the rest are all forgettable. Give me a 80s action flick over anything produced today. The Flash should definitely be canned when Ezra Millers appalling antics.
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