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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 20, 2022 10:11:23 GMT
Chucking Miller in the bin for a moment, let's return back to Scoob 2. Or rather, animation at WB - a whole lot of titles have been pulled off of HBO Max for, you guessed, a tax write off. These include big names like Infinity Train and the Aquaman cartoon and, to put the cherry on top, likely can't/won't be released anywhere else due to current licensing agreements. variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-max-originals-removed-1235344286/Zaslav has, effectively, created a whole new generation of lost media. It's not just kids can't watch their cartoons - people will/have lost jobs and can't use these shows as references to get more, or prove their ability.
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Post by grinch on Aug 20, 2022 20:13:26 GMT
Blimey. That’s extremely revisionist to say the least.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 20, 2022 21:53:13 GMT
Good. Seems like the bubble is bursting on all these streaming services.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 20, 2022 22:07:32 GMT
Good. Seems like the bubble is bursting on all these streaming services. You say good but where would the content go? Traditional Commercial TV is still slanted towards Reality and Sport rather then scripted Drama Physical home media fast becoming an on demand basis and the UKs biggest Cinema chain is close to going bust. Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 20, 2022 22:25:16 GMT
Good. Seems like the bubble is bursting on all these streaming services. You say good but where would the content go? Traditional Commercial TV is still slanted towards Reality and Sport rather then scripted Drama Physical home media fast becoming an on demand basis and the UKs biggest Cinema chain is close to going bust. Regards mark687 Physical media hopefully
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Post by Digi on Aug 20, 2022 23:09:57 GMT
Physical media crashed around about 2008 and never recovered. It's not coming back.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 21, 2022 6:29:27 GMT
Good. Seems like the bubble is bursting on all these streaming services. You say good but where would the content go? Traditional Commercial TV is still slanted towards Reality and Sport rather then scripted Drama Physical home media fast becoming an on demand basis and the UKs biggest Cinema chain is close to going bust. Regards mark687 Don't care about where the content would go there are too many streaming services we the people can no longer afford & they don't offer value for money with minority of good shows seem to getting cancelled.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 21, 2022 6:51:56 GMT
Physical media crashed around about 2008 and never recovered. It's not coming back. U should come visit my house and see my purchases. In the House of AussieDoctorWhoFan physical product always remains supreme LOLZ
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Post by Digi on Aug 21, 2022 7:25:41 GMT
Physical media crashed around about 2008 and never recovered. It's not coming back. U should come visit my house and see my purchases. In the House of AussieDoctorWhoFan physical product always remains supreme LOLZ
And all the power to you! But one person isn’t gonna resurrect a market that the public, globally, has moved on from
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 21, 2022 7:32:08 GMT
U should come visit my house and see my purchases. In the House of AussieDoctorWhoFan physical product always remains supreme LOLZ
And all the power to you! But one person isn’t gonna resurrect a market that the public, globally, has moved on from Check "JB Hifi"'s financials here in Oz, they are making records profits still on physical product, they are like "Amazon" here they have got a strangehold on the market. This is a hill I am willing to die on LOLZ
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 21, 2022 9:08:37 GMT
You say good but where would the content go? Traditional Commercial TV is still slanted towards Reality and Sport rather then scripted Drama Physical home media fast becoming an on demand basis and the UKs biggest Cinema chain is close to going bust. Regards mark687 Don't care about where the content would go there are too many streaming services we the people can no longer afford & they don't offer value for money with minority of good shows seem to getting cancelled. Well you should care because, like I said above, it absolutely screws people's livelihoods and careers (The guy who may make your next favourite show now may not be able to thanks to moves like this), not to mention the archival/historical impact. Like with the Batgirl issue, you need to see wood for the trees.
I mean, look at this.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 21, 2022 9:46:07 GMT
Don't care about where the content would go there are too many streaming services we the people can no longer afford & they don't offer value for money with minority of good shows seem to getting cancelled. Well you should care because, like I said above, it absolutely screws people's livelihoods and careers (The guy who may make your next favourite show now may not be able to thanks to moves like this), not to mention the archival/historical impact. Like with the Batgirl issue, you need to see wood for the trees.
I mean, look at this.
Please don't tell me what I should do.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 21, 2022 12:22:04 GMT
Chucking Miller in the bin for a moment, let's return back to Scoob 2. Or rather, animation at WB - a whole lot of titles have been pulled off of HBO Max for, you guessed, a tax write off. These include big names like Infinity Train and the Aquaman cartoon and, to put the cherry on top, likely can't/won't be released anywhere else due to current licensing agreements. How does the tax write-off work in this case? For "Batgirl", it was abandoning incomplete material, is there the same option for stuff that's already been released? (As for unable to re-release material till licence agreements come to an end; well, it's not good news, but it's also not in anyway unusual, when you consider how many tv shows or films or radio programmes or books or what have you that are unavailable that have never been controlled by Warners. I can't help but wonder if there have been some unreasonable expectations here).
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 21, 2022 13:50:55 GMT
Chucking Miller in the bin for a moment, let's return back to Scoob 2. Or rather, animation at WB - a whole lot of titles have been pulled off of HBO Max for, you guessed, a tax write off. These include big names like Infinity Train and the Aquaman cartoon and, to put the cherry on top, likely can't/won't be released anywhere else due to current licensing agreements. How does the tax write-off work in this case? For "Batgirl", it was abandoning incomplete material, is there the same option for stuff that's already been released? (As for unable to re-release material till licence agreements come to an end; well, it's not good news, but it's also not in anyway unusual, when you consider how many tv shows or films or radio programmes or books or what have you that are unavailable that have never been controlled by Warners. I can't help but wonder if there have been some unreasonable expectations here). Frankly a lot of it is weird Hollywood beancounting that is, purposefully, mystifying to outsiders, so I don't profess to be an expert. What I can gleam is it is in part connected to not paying residuals to various creatives and unions (things owen touches on in his blog), saving WB millions, and also connected to performance on the service - not underperforming, just not performing to whatever Zaslav says they ought to be, which can somehow be brought to the taxman. Likely a fuller account won't be available till well after this is done, but right now everyone is in the dark and WB isn't much interested in clearing the air.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 21, 2022 16:05:11 GMT
What I can gleam is it is in part connected to not paying residuals to various creatives and unions That's what I don't understand. Isn't that, y'know, normal? Unwelcome, granted, but normal? There are plenty of things missing from Britbox and BBC Sounds and whatnot because making them available would cost more than not doing so.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 21, 2022 19:20:45 GMT
What I can gleam is it is in part connected to not paying residuals to various creatives and unions That's what I don't understand. Isn't that, y'know, normal? Unwelcome, granted, but normal? There are plenty of things missing from Britbox and BBC Sounds and whatnot because making them available would cost more than not doing so. Not on the scale Zaslav just did, and not with this speed. (Wish I had the tweet to hand, but a veteran exec said he'd never seen this happen in the business, ever)
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Post by mark687 on Aug 21, 2022 19:54:10 GMT
That's what I don't understand. Isn't that, y'know, normal? Unwelcome, granted, but normal? There are plenty of things missing from Britbox and BBC Sounds and whatnot because making them available would cost more than not doing so. Not on the scale Zaslav just did, and not with this speed. (Wish I had the tweet to hand, but a veteran exec said he'd never seen this happen in the business, ever)
So standard practice is if anyone did something on a project they'd get something even if it was abandoned (and particularly if their contribution was completed before the project was abandoned) and WB's current approach is attempting to stop that? Regards mark687
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 21, 2022 20:30:13 GMT
And all the power to you! But one person isn’t gonna resurrect a market that the public, globally, has moved on from Check "JB Hifi"'s financials here in Oz, they are making records profits still on physical product, they are like "Amazon" here they have got a strangehold on the market. This is a hill I am willing to die on LOLZ
JB shifts a LOT of different things, white goods, merchandise, gaming paraphernalia… you can’t call it simply a physical media retailer.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 21, 2022 20:32:14 GMT
Check "JB Hifi"'s financials here in Oz, they are making records profits still on physical product, they are like "Amazon" here they have got a strangehold on the market. This is a hill I am willing to die on LOLZ
JB shifts a LOT of different things, white goods, merchandise, gaming paraphernalia… you can’t call it simply a physical media retailer. Most of it is cds/dvds/blurays/vinyls and all the pc/xbox etc games. I personally IMHO would say it's fair to say it is a physical media retailer.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 21, 2022 20:35:53 GMT
You say good but where would the content go? Traditional Commercial TV is still slanted towards Reality and Sport rather then scripted Drama Physical home media fast becoming an on demand basis and the UKs biggest Cinema chain is close to going bust. Regards mark687 Don't care about where the content would go there are too many streaming services we the people can no longer afford & they don't offer value for money with minority of good shows seem to getting cancelled. And how are people going to access the new media? Physical media? Why are businesses going to take the gamble on an expensive (for them) process that might not bare fruit when they’re selling new product? Free to air TV? needs to make money before it can spend money to buy new product. Shite like Reality TV is cheaper to make and somehow still makes revenue. Their own streaming service? Businesses don’t need to pay for play, but equally don’t get paid to make it. Someone else’s streaming platform? Sure they’ll pay you for your product, but why should they when you control whether or not any more episodes get made, you control quality and at any time you could pull your product (C.F. Star Trek Discovery).
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