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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2022 0:18:24 GMT
What was a climax of a story where, as our Time Lord turned the tables on the bad guy, you just went 'Yes yes yes!'?
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Post by grinch on Oct 15, 2022 2:55:30 GMT
Probably when he managed to turn the entire human race against the Silence in Day of the Moon.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 16, 2022 4:50:34 GMT
Hm... that's a tough one. I'm gonna have to go with the ending of Family of Blood, because of the "twist" where it's revealed that the Doctor wasn't running from the Family to save himself, but rather to save them. A fantastic aversion that capped off one of the best Doctor Who stories with a delicious glimpse at the Doctor's darker, more human nature.
It also helps that the Family slotted so cleanly into archetypal (or cliched, if you're feeling less charitable) roles, making them easy to dislike without much characterization. The son, particularly, perfectly embodied that whole "bourgie boarding school bully" schtick that's crops up in so much classic fiction, and did so with an amazingly hateable attitude. Everything about that performance just oozes sleaze and cruelty, I love it.
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After that, I'd have to go with Missy's death, if that qualifies as a defeat (or, indeed, if she qualifies as a villain at that point). The main themes of S10 all came together perfectly in that moment, and while some might argue Moffat was a bit too unsubtle with those themes, I found it wonderfully compelling for my part.
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EDIT: Also I'd like to vote, very emphatically, for not Eldrad. Yes, I'm still sore about that.
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Post by chopper on Oct 17, 2022 11:18:33 GMT
Word Lord takedown.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 18, 2022 20:24:32 GMT
Family of Blood. Truly epically chilling.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 19, 2022 10:18:31 GMT
Micheal Grade, Jonathan Powell when the show returned in 2005
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 19, 2022 17:18:26 GMT
Micheal Grade, Jonathan Powell when the show returned in 2005 Yeah, just imagine- I have no clue how this Michael Grad person even looks like, but right now, some random German person (me) has an autograph of Colin taking price of place on my living room wall. Complete and utter defeat, I would say.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 21, 2022 9:54:09 GMT
Nightmare of Eden… it’s Tom in full Tom mode for 99% of the story and his last line to the drug dealing scientist? A cold, bitter “go away”. Just so powerful
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 26, 2022 22:22:32 GMT
Doctor Who: Scratchman. I’d argue that the villain isn’t Ol’ Scratch it’s {Spoiler} The Time Lords. It’s entirely possible everything except the Doctor being on trial (again) was made up by the Doctor in order to castigate the Time Lords for their attitude - the hands off, let a world die, etc - and by thunder he does so with skill and aplomb. Wonderfully so, especially if you’re listening to the narrated version.
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Post by martinw8686 on Dec 27, 2022 1:15:48 GMT
Contenders
Empty Child/the Doctor Dances - everybody lives!
The Day of the Doctor - Gallifrey falls no more!
The Eleventh Hour - Basically run!
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My personal favourite is Heaven sent - I call that a hell of a bird!
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 27, 2022 10:15:09 GMT
Revisiting this thread, I realize there's one particular villain defeat i adore that simply did not occur to me at the time. Weird how I can see it now with clarity. Anyway, for your consideration (with the explanation properly spoiler tagged): Waters of Mars.{Spoiler} Waters of Mars' titular watery foe serves as an antagonizing force, but functions more like a force of nature than a proper villain. Which is fitting, because also central to this story is the idea of "history" as this kind of inexorable, immutable force. An exquisite tapestry where tragedies are woven into triumphs, and even forgotten horrors contribute to the whole. For much of the episode, time itself plays the villain, as it is the "foe" seeking the deaths of all these wonderful people we've just met. And then comes the finale. Turns out the Doctor was the villain all along, it's just that neither he nor we could see it. (Not quite as uncommon an even as one might initially assume.) I've certainly expressed... misgivings with how the story handled Adelaide's death in the past. But now I see it as making a perfect sort of sense that she, ultimately, is the one with the agency -- it's her choice whether or not to return to her family and live out the rest of her days in relative peace, or opt out in an attempt (that may or may not work) to restore a timeline she knows only the bare minimum about. That her decision is suicide speaks volumes of the 10th Doctor's cruelty here. She may not know it, but Adelaide is here, on Mars, because of him. But the Doctor knows. And what is it that convinces Adelaide that it is ultimately better for her to die? Certainly not anything the Doctor actually said, or even did -- rather, she is persuaded (to my mind) by his demeanor. (An unlikely observation from someone like me, I'll concede.) Through him, Adelaide sees the power of her own death. Not just her own story, but the stories inspired by her story. An endless cascade of rippling futures spread in out across the stars. Only she has to die for it to happen. So how is this villainous Time Lord defeated, in the very hour of his victory? By way of epiphany. The moment the gunshot rings out, he knows. He put Adelaide on Mars, he arrived in time to see her brutally killed by a fantastical monster, he gave her both the awareness of her fate and the hope that she might escape it, and finally he succeeded in saving her -- and only her -- while also informing her of everything her survival would cost.And you can see it in his eyes, in that moment. He knows. All of it is his doing. And that added guilt is just one straw too many, and he breaks under the weight of his own martyr complex. In this one scene, we see the Doctor realize that it's time for his own story to end. Queue up The End of Time.
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