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Post by timleschild on Dec 10, 2023 23:04:11 GMT
I fear that will happen. Bringing him back every now & then. Keeps the man in work I guess if other roles dry up. I think one of the country's most popular actors who has done dozens of prime time shows, worked in the past few years on originals for Netflix, ITV, BBC, Dreamworks, Amazon Prime and Disney+ - on top of roles in Marvel and Star Wars and an open invite from the Royal Shakespeare Company given the runaway successes he's had there - should be OK about worrying about the job centre any time soon! I'm fully aware of his credentials. & I used the word "if".
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Post by sherlock on Dec 10, 2023 23:04:56 GMT
I fear that will happen. Bringing him back every now & then. Keeps the man in work I guess if other roles dry up. I think one of the country's most popular actors who has done dozens of prime time shows, worked in the past few years on originals for Netflix, ITV, BBC, Dreamworks, Amazon Prime and Disney+ - on top of roles in Marvel and Star Wars and an open invite from the Royal Shakespeare Company given the runaway successes he's had there - should be OK about worrying about the job centre any time soon! Indeed; my family’s seeing him in Macbeth in couple of weeks!
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Post by martinw8686 on Dec 10, 2023 23:08:36 GMT
I think the best thing to do with Tennant now is use him occasionally. Perhaps a mini series after Ncuti's second series has aired, to give Ncuti a break. But any Future Tennant should be used in a way that benefits the main show, Ncuti is The Doctor now, he is what will carry the main narrative forward. Tennant's story should be one that has a fixed ending. He lives a semi retirement with the Nobles, occasionally having adventures but he should grow old and not regenerate again. I fear that will happen. Bringing him back every now & then. Keeps the man in work I guess if other roles dry up. I love Tennant and would be keen to see his adventures hoping off in his Tardis now and then. But I do understand your fears, there is a way to do future Tennant appearances that could supplement the main show nicely but it could also undermine it. Personally I would prefer any future Tennant appearances to be self contained small scale travels with his friends, no big end of the Universe battles or things that are the main Doctor's bread and butter. Perhaps over the next 10 years, Tennant does 3 runs of 3 tv episodes. I think for nostalgia and as a gap filler, that could be a nice compromise. It would have been lovely to see Tom Baker pop up like that during the Wilderness years.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 10, 2023 23:15:02 GMT
I fear that will happen. Bringing him back every now & then. Keeps the man in work I guess if other roles dry up. I love Tennant and would be keen to see his adventures hoping off in his Tardis now and then. But I do understand your fears, there is a way to do future Tennant appearances that could supplement the main show nicely but it could also undermine it. Personally I would prefer any future Tennant appearances to be self contained small scale travels with his friends, no big end of the Universe battles or things that are the main Doctor's bread and butter. Perhaps over the next 10 years, Tennant does 3 runs of 3 tv episodes. I think for nostalgia and as a gap filler, that could be a nice compromise. It would have been lovely to see Tom Baker pop up like that during the Wilderness years. So long as any future appearances from Tennant are small self-contained stories I guess it will be fine. I don't have to watch lol
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Post by martinw8686 on Dec 10, 2023 23:26:17 GMT
I love Tennant and would be keen to see his adventures hoping off in his Tardis now and then. But I do understand your fears, there is a way to do future Tennant appearances that could supplement the main show nicely but it could also undermine it. Personally I would prefer any future Tennant appearances to be self contained small scale travels with his friends, no big end of the Universe battles or things that are the main Doctor's bread and butter. Perhaps over the next 10 years, Tennant does 3 runs of 3 tv episodes. I think for nostalgia and as a gap filler, that could be a nice compromise. It would have been lovely to see Tom Baker pop up like that during the Wilderness years. So long as any future appearances from Tennant are small self-contained stories I guess it will be fine. I don't have to watch lol I'm all for the Whoniverse and it emulating the best of the MCU but I think any spin-offs should be self contained and any team ups easily accessible for anyone not interested in watching non main show adventures. I love the variety that Big Finish offers but the main show and current Doctor should always lead the way. I'm hopeful that this will be the case. With The Giggle, I thought the way Tennant handed over to Ncuti was very sweet and understated. Ncuti got to take care of Tennant and in many ways Ncuti took the lead in resolving The Toymakers game. As with life, the proof of the pudding, is in the eating. Let's see what the future holds for Doctor 15. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 23:37:43 GMT
So long as any future appearances from Tennant are small self-contained stories I guess it will be fine. I don't have to watch lol I'm all for the Whoniverse and it emulating the best of the MCU but I think any spin-offs should be self contained and any team ups easily accessible for anyone not interested in watching non main show adventures. I love the variety that Big Finish offers but the main show and current Doctor should always lead the way. I'm hopeful that this will be the case. With The Giggle, I thought the way Tennant handed over to Ncuti was very sweet and understated. Ncuti got to take care of Tennant and in many ways Ncuti took the lead in resolving The Toymakers game. As with life, the proof of the pudding, is in the eating. Let's see what the future holds for Doctor 15. Time will tell. Well, some people here have been critical of RTD repeating the past. Giving him the same verdict when it comes to spinoffs - he made sure Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood stood alone when he shepherded those. He was open that The Doctor wouldn't be in Torchwood as kids shouldn't watch that material (some of the first season...adults shouldn't either but that's another story!) and he didn't want to have them attracted to it with The Doctor. That's why Big Finish announcing Tennant would be in the 50th release for Torchwood as a special event was so shocking (whatever happened to the well-named Absent Friends? Oh...) But then in Sarah Jane we did get The Doctor since, clearly, that's a kids show and years into it's run we had a one off with Tennant as a lovely treat, especially as it was the last thing he shot before leaving the role as the main incumbent Doctor. And when Series 4 brought in little moments of Torchwood and SJA? It was very easily accessible. So I think he's an old hand at this spin off stuff. He's not my fave writer on Who by a long shot but as a producer? He was making sure things worked between Who and spinoffs before there was an MCU and Downey Jr was still considered washed up.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 11, 2023 0:17:50 GMT
So long as any future appearances from Tennant are small self-contained stories I guess it will be fine. I don't have to watch lol I'm all for the Whoniverse and it emulating the best of the MCU but I think any spin-offs should be self contained and any team ups easily accessible for anyone not interested in watching non main show adventures. I love the variety that Big Finish offers but the main show and current Doctor should always lead the way. I'm hopeful that this will be the case. With The Giggle, I thought the way Tennant handed over to Ncuti was very sweet and understated. Ncuti got to take care of Tennant and in many ways Ncuti took the lead in resolving The Toymakers game. As with life, the proof of the pudding, is in the eating. Let's see what the future holds for Doctor 15. Time will tell. Hopefully he takes note of the Star Trek TV shows. They all seem more self contained with the occasional crossover. But all clearly aimed at different audiences while being within the same universe.
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Post by number13 on Dec 11, 2023 0:20:25 GMT
I agree. I'm open to new regenerations having different aspects to keep the show fresh but continuous bi-generation would undermine the jeopardy. True. & lest we forget the classic era had quite different regenerations for a lot of it. It's nu who that settles on the energy exploding stuff. My fear about what has happened is that they have refused to let Tennant go completely. As good as he was no one actor should be bigger than the show. Very true. Different appearances and different mechanisms. The classic Doctor didn't do it himself.
One - initiated by the TARDIS Two - forced by the Time Lords Three - boosted by the power of his old teacher (a Time Lord again)
The moment was prepared Four - Time Lords at the ready again
Five - depends on whether we go with what we saw on screen (presumably like One, as he died in the TARDIS) or what BF told us (so, like Four). I loved 'Circular Time' so I'll go with BF! Six - caused by an unconvincing wig, that's my theory
Seven - presumably spontaneous, but we didn't see it, did we, so who knows?
Eight - helped along by the Sisters of Karn
Only in the New Series has regeneration been a distinctly DIY operation. Until this one, which was directed by an external force i.e. the Toymaker and is therefore more 'classic' than any other in the New Series.
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Post by number13 on Dec 11, 2023 0:22:47 GMT
I think one of the country's most popular actors who has done dozens of prime time shows, worked in the past few years on originals for Netflix, ITV, BBC, Dreamworks, Amazon Prime and Disney+ - on top of roles in Marvel and Star Wars and an open invite from the Royal Shakespeare Company given the runaway successes he's had there - should be OK about worrying about the job centre any time soon! Indeed; my family’s seeing him in Macbeth in couple of weeks! *cough* The Scottish Play *cough*
(Now you've said The Name aren't you supposed to do that thing from Blackadder III? )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 0:38:13 GMT
True. & lest we forget the classic era had quite different regenerations for a lot of it. It's nu who that settles on the energy exploding stuff. My fear about what has happened is that they have refused to let Tennant go completely. As good as he was no one actor should be bigger than the show. Very true. Different appearances and different mechanisms. The classic Doctor didn't do it himself.
Six - caused by an unconvincing wig, that's my theory
Seven - presumably spontaneous, but we didn't see it, did we, so who knows?
As any good Target reader knows, the TARDIS goes "VROOP VROOP", the Fifth Doctor had an "open, pleasant face" - and the Sixth Doctor was killed by the most powerful force in the Universe - "tumultuous buffering"! Pip and Jane always had the words, rest them. While the 7th Doctor has the distinction of being the only one killed by someone his next self would then snog, and invite to travel when Grace refused to listen to McCoy's words on the operating table!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 0:40:46 GMT
Indeed; my family’s seeing him in Macbeth in couple of weeks! *cough* The Scottish Play *cough*
(Now you've said The Name aren't you supposed to do that thing from Blackadder III? ) I've always loved the episode about........Macbeth. Makes me laugh when Edmund keeps saying.....Macbeth
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Post by mark687 on Dec 11, 2023 0:44:55 GMT
*cough* The Scottish Play *cough*
(Now you've said The Name aren't you supposed to do that thing from Blackadder III? ) I've always loved the episode about........Macbeth. Makes me laugh when Edmund keeps saying.....Macbeth Of all the things to start of a Chronic Historises with! Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 6:46:57 GMT
I am so happy David's Doctor didn't die. It means he can come back if he wants to but even if he doesn't he ends with the happy scene he's not had before. As the biggest fan and best ambassador for the show I am so happy my first Doctor is still out there. He will always be the best!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 9:21:30 GMT
I am so happy David's Doctor didn't die. That's good, as he didn't want to go either...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 9:43:48 GMT
I am so happy David's Doctor didn't die. That's good, as he didn't want to go either... Hey, this time he said "allons-y" - it's the one time he seemed to be ready as can be! His least mopey death...and he doesn't even die! At the climax of End Of Time, after he shouted at Wilf, and said "I don't wanna go"...all I could think was "Tough - where's Matt?"
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Post by number13 on Dec 11, 2023 10:42:32 GMT
*cough* The Scottish Play *cough*
(Now you've said The Name aren't you supposed to do that thing from Blackadder III? ) I've always loved the episode about........Macbeth. Makes me laugh when Edmund keeps saying.....Macbeth {Spoiler} "Macbeth!"
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Post by timleschild on Dec 11, 2023 10:45:50 GMT
I am so happy David's Doctor didn't die. It means he can come back if he wants to but even if he doesn't he ends with the happy scene he's not had before. As the biggest fan and best ambassador for the show I am so happy my first Doctor is still out there. He will always be the best! & that seems to be my issue I guess. Making things all about Tennant. Oh well maybe they will do something exciting with this Doctor. An evil Tennant please!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 16:37:17 GMT
85 AI, last time that score was beaten? Day Of The Doctor. So this clearly worked - big - for the public.
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Post by ollychops on Dec 11, 2023 17:46:36 GMT
I think my main gripe with the episode is that for all RTD insists that it's "new" (to the point where he makes a joke about Who fans not accepting anything new), the bigeneration actually doesn't feel all that new. In fact, I'd argue that the entire last 20 minutes are just RTD rehashing elements of his previous episodes:
There's the villain doing a camp musical number (Saxon Master in Last of the Time Lords). The bigeneration is similar to the meta-crisis (Journey's End) - not exactly similar but close enough. The Tennant Doctor settles down with a family (Journey's End). The Tennant Doctor offering the villain to travel with him (pretty much lifted exactly from Last of the Time Lords).
I'd argue that even before then there's similar elements throughout the episode - the human race being driven crazy (The End of Time) and the villain mocking the Doctor by using his companions/friends (The Master mocking Martha by comparing her to Rose in TLOTTL/Davros noting the people that sacrifice themselves in the name of the Doctor in Journey's End).
When RTD announced he was coming back I was hoping for something new, fresh and innovative from him. Instead we just get something that's derivative of his old works which is extremely disappointing. In fact, I don't think I've been so disappointed by a Doctor Who episode since The End of Time.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 11, 2023 18:07:14 GMT
I think my main gripe with the episode is that for all RTD insists that it's "new" (to the point where he makes a joke about Who fans not accepting anything new), the bigeneration actually doesn't feel all that new. In fact, I'd argue that the entire last 20 minutes are just RTD rehashing elements of his previous episodes: There's the villain doing a camp musical number (Saxon Master in Last of the Time Lords). The bigeneration is similar to the meta-crisis (Journey's End) - not exactly similar but close enough. The Tennant Doctor settles down with a family (Journey's End). The Tennant Doctor offering the villain to travel with him (pretty much lifted exactly from Last of the Time Lords). I'd argue that even before then there's similar elements throughout the episode - the human race being driven crazy (The End of Time) and the villain mocking the Doctor by using his companions/friends (The Master mocking Martha by comparing her to Rose in TLOTTL/Davros noting the people that sacrifice themselves in the name of the Doctor in Journey's End). When RTD announced he was coming back I was hoping for something new, fresh and innovative from him. Instead we just get something that's derivative of his old works which is extremely disappointing. In fact, I don't think I've been so disappointed by a Doctor Who episode since The End of Time. Sadly I agree. Both Star Beast & Wild Blue Yonder felt like enjoyable episodes of the original RTD/Tennant run. The Giggle for the most part is as you say a rehash. I really hope the 15th Doctor's era brings something new but with the same production team I don't hold out much hope.
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