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Post by charlesuirdhein on Feb 6, 2024 12:22:17 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person.
Thoughts?
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Post by ollychops on Feb 6, 2024 12:36:37 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person. Thoughts? RTD’s comments about it rippling back along the Doctor’s timeline so every regeneration was now a bigeneration make it even worse for me. I didn’t like the bigeneration because it felt like a lazy rehash of metacrisis but RTD’s comments make me dislike it even more. Given that it was only mentioned in the commentary and comes across as RTD’s headcanon I’m ignoring it until it’s explicitly referenced in the show.
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Post by number13 on Feb 6, 2024 13:15:08 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person. Thoughts? Personally I'll forgive the bigeneration but just this once, because I did like the idea of 14 having a happy ending. And the presence of the Toymaker can explain anything.
As for the rest, "stuff and nonsense" (other more Anglo-Saxon words are available ) just about sums up my view, and that goes for the 'timeless child' too. The Hartnell Doctor is The Original and the chain runs all the way from him to 15 in a straight line, one Doctor after another.
I loved the Fugitive Doctor (I know I've said this before but she should have been the next Doctor too!) but since I'm choosing to ignore the 'timeless child' (in the same way I've ignored the half-human bit from The Movie for almost 30 years ) I'll think of her as an amazing Unbound Doctor from a long, long time back.
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Post by timleschild on Feb 6, 2024 14:17:40 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person. Thoughts? Unless specifically referenced on the show it's just RTDs bizarre personal theories. Best ignored.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 6, 2024 15:47:00 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person. Thoughts? An unneccessarily convoluted way, in my opinion, to make 'sense' to older Doctors looking their age. It made Ncuti's first moments into a bizarre non-event, gave Doctor 14 (who was a concept never explained anyway and was clearly an unsubtle way to get the popular David Tennant involved for the 60th) an equally non-eventful send-off (a family man suddenly?). A horrible piece of nonsense done, it seems to me, to wind fans up (not always difficult, I'll admit). RTD originally brought Doctor Who back to entertain the wider audience; now he seems intent on ham-fistedly making new rules to brain-scramble even the most niche followers.
My thoughts are that the show is still very popular (which is good for its future), but I cannot connect with it this time around. A lot of cobblers, in other words. To say the show is more 'fantasy' based now doesn't mean nonsensical flights of fancy like the above should be allowed past the planning stage.
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Post by bethhigdon on Feb 6, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
I just headcannon 14 as a watcher type figure that will eventually merge back into 15... but we'll see what RTD does with it.
I'm willing to wait if there's an actual story/plot element to it that will be revealed later, but if it was a one and done, then yeah it was an incredibly bad ending.
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Post by bethhigdon on Feb 6, 2024 17:10:49 GMT
I don't know if this has been referenced elsewhere, and I'm being lazy and not checking, BUT, RTD's bizarre comments that bigeneeration ripples back through time and somehow that affects all the other Doctors, having given it some thought, is nonsense. Even allowing for 15's statement that the reason he is fine is because 14 gets his act together and they are doing therapy in the wrong order. That statement has to be, should be, a white lie to give hope to 14. It it is true, it means that anything 14 does (or any of his predecessors do) will be topping up 15's memory of things constantly (adding to each iteration along the way all the way back to the child Tecteun found, or at least until 1, since those memories were never restored), but it also means that if 14 is attacked or injured or killed, then 15 will die. And further back. For this to make sense going forward then 14 and 15 really should be the only ones, and 14 has no more regenerative energy left, it all going on to 15, and from that split they are truly separate. Family, but no longer the same person. Thoughts? Personally I'll forgive the bigeneration but just this once, because I did like the idea of 14 having a happy ending. And the presence of the Toymaker can explain anything.
As for the rest, "stuff and nonsense" (other more Anglo-Saxon words are available ) just about sums up my view, and that goes for the 'timeless child' too. The Hartnell Doctor is The Original and the chain runs all the way from him to 15 in a straight line, one Doctor after another.
I loved the Fugitive Doctor (I know I've said this before but she should have been the next Doctor too!) but since I'm choosing to ignore the 'timeless child' (in the same way I've ignored the half-human bit from The Movie for almost 30 years ) I'll think of her as an amazing Unbound Doctor from a long, long time back. Late to the discussion, but even if you accept the timeless child theory it still makes more sense for Martin's Doctor to be a Series 6B incarnation in-between Troughton and Pertwee then a pre-Hartnell one, as no other incarnation before his would be called the Doctor and have a Tardis shaped as a police box.
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