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Post by grinch on Dec 6, 2020 16:48:43 GMT
Well the saga continues.....wee detours here and there but still on track I may be one of the few who actually enjoyed the original Kandyman ........ Ravenous 1-World of Damnation-Matt FittonFinally Helen has returned after two episodes without her...she really is the underrated companion,kind caring and loyal to think she tries to soothe the 11 ..... ok bit stupid but hey it’s in her nature. I like the Kandyman in concept but it is rather a case of good idea, poor execution. Definitely think he is more effective in this two parter. Although, I’m still unsure of how much this version of the Kandyman remembers his original self.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 16:54:41 GMT
Well the saga continues.....wee detours here and there but still on track I may be one of the few who actually enjoyed the original Kandyman ........ Ravenous 1-World of Damnation-Matt FittonFinally Helen has returned after two episodes without her...she really is the underrated companion,kind caring and loyal to think she tries to soothe the 11 ..... ok bit stupid but hey it’s in her nature. I like the Kandyman in concept but it is rather a case of good idea, poor execution. Definitely think he is more effective in this two parter. Although, I’m still unsure of how much this version of the Kandyman remembers his original self. Yes not clear but ambiguity is fine and no need to plug a gap lol..... at first I considered these four stories not connecting slightly with what was to become the main arc of the next few sets...but it is actually delivering in this set more of what I was expecting from Stranded First Volume individual non arc related tales and the whole Helen/Eleven dynamic is excellently portrayed ok we know 11 isn’t really reformed but it allows the two characters a softer approach to each other.We learn more of Helens family,her aunt etc she has actually sacrificed so much by being with the Doctor and being involved with him,I truly enjoy her character...she is the common man/woman thrown into fantastic events.
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Post by grinch on Dec 6, 2020 16:59:02 GMT
I like the Kandyman in concept but it is rather a case of good idea, poor execution. Definitely think he is more effective in this two parter. Although, I’m still unsure of how much this version of the Kandyman remembers his original self. Yes not clear but ambiguity is fine and no need to plug a gap lol..... at first I considered these four stories not connecting slightly with what was to become the main arc of the next few sets...but it is actually delivering in this set more of what I was expecting from Stranded First Volume individual non arc related tales and the whole Helen/Eleven dynamic is excellently portrayed ok we know 11 isn’t really reformed but it allows the two characters a softer approach to each other.We learn more of Helens family,her aunt etc she has actually sacrificed so much by being with the Doctor and being involved with him,I truly enjoy her character...she is the common man/woman thrown into fantastic events. Definitely. The Eleven/Helen relationship is one of my favourite things in this. And, as you say, even though we already know that the Eleven won’t reform, I think we get more of a sense of regenerative dissonance as an illness in this. He might be malevolent but he is legitimately mentally ill. And I personally like how it only hints at the ongoing Ravenous story arc. Considering how it ended up being resolved (fantastically in my opinion) it always surprises me that said story arc doesn’t really come into effect until about the third boxset.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 17:03:38 GMT
Yes not clear but ambiguity is fine and no need to plug a gap lol..... at first I considered these four stories not connecting slightly with what was to become the main arc of the next few sets...but it is actually delivering in this set more of what I was expecting from Stranded First Volume individual non arc related tales and the whole Helen/Eleven dynamic is excellently portrayed ok we know 11 isn’t really reformed but it allows the two characters a softer approach to each other.We learn more of Helens family,her aunt etc she has actually sacrificed so much by being with the Doctor and being involved with him,I truly enjoy her character...she is the common man/woman thrown into fantastic events. Definitely. The Eleven/Helen relationship is one of my favourite things in this. And, as you say, even though we already know that the Eleven won’t reform, I think we get more of a sense of regenerative dissonance as an illness in this. He might be malevolent but he is legitimately mentally ill. And I personally like how it only hints at the ongoing Ravenous story arc. Considering how it ended up being resolved (fantastically in my opinion) it always surprises me that said story arc doesn’t really come into effect until about the third boxset. I know initially I thought Kandyman was going to be the villain of the sets and was completely wrong about that-only connection to being ravenous lol Yes with all those voices who wouldn’t be mad...and how the character from his origins grew to not only Bonnars portrayal but John’s one as well.Helen is the anchor in this for my mere mortal self lol....it always makes me want her to be free of Livs shadow as a solo companion what would the writers do with her?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 18:13:29 GMT
Ravenous1-Sweet Salvation-Matt Fitton
Excellent conclusion to the set....Time and relistens give me a more forgiving attitude to what initially I thought was the weakest of the Ravenous sets but a wonderful way of misdirecting though I know they said there were clues as to where they were heading scattered throughout personally I think am thick but hey....I really enjoyed just enjoying these basically stand alone tales I would very very much enjoy just a whole series of unconnected tales like the Lucie Millers(for the most part) with this team....I guess my dislike of Torchwood has tainted Stranded for me hahaha but am more hopeful for Stranded 2....but now to take a wandering path before I get to Better Watch Out
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Dec 6, 2020 19:00:03 GMT
Into Infinity (the day after tomorrow) and a relisten to Project: Lazarus
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:06:36 GMT
BBCRC-P.D-James-Cover Her Face
Sian Phillips is in it..but she is in EVERYTHING nowadays 😂😉
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Post by polly on Dec 7, 2020 3:52:43 GMT
Other Lives
Well, I can't help but start off with getting my digs in at the New Series (not that it's very new anymore at 15 years old). I've often felt that it did not take history seriously most of the time, and this is a prime example of that. I say did not instead of does not since I stopped watching when Capaldi left, so I have no idea how the Jodie era's dealt with it.
But, compare and contrast two different approaches to the scenario of a reptilian space alien stranded in Victorian London.
C'rizz: I am kidnapped, treated like an animal, and forced to work as a freakshow exhibit.
Vastra: I AM THE LESBIAN LIZARD DETECTIVE QUEEN SEE MY NINJA WIFE TEEHEEHEE
Now, which one of those is believable, and which one is rarely given any thought beyond the occasional startled "I say!"
Anyway, as for the story itself, I liked it quite a lot. Despite the above subplot, I thought it was witty, and a lighter kind of episode than Eight usually gets these days. All three characters are given good material. I like Charley's instant friendship with the Duke of Wellington, I like C'rizz fighting for his dignity, and I like Eight getting a taste of domestic life. It's a very character-based story. The plot is just there to facilitate giving them all a look at, well, Other Lives. The last two episodes are certainly oversized, but in a way the more languid pace suits the story.
It does still have some hints of darkness with C'rizz, who is quickly developing into an interesting character. He was bland as my grandmother's wallpaper in the Divergent Universe, but ever since we found out some of the horrible things going on in his head, I'm very curious to see where Big Finish will take him.
With Scaredy Cat, I was once again frustrated with the direction of the Eighth Doctor releases. Ever since Zagreus, it's all been so inconsistent, wildly swinging from brilliant to awful every other story. Despite the very different tones, this is much closer to the revitalized feeling of Terror Firma. We just need to get this kind of quality more often than not. Sixie manages that just fine, after all.
I am flying blind here, since anything beyond The Next Life has been a first listen for me, so while I hope the three subsequent releases have been the start of new chapter for Eight, I don't know that for sure. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 5:31:51 GMT
Other Lives
Well, I can't help but start off with getting my digs in at the New Series (not that it's very new anymore at 15 years old). I've often felt that it did not take history seriously most of the time, and this is a prime example of that. I say did not instead of does not since I stopped watching when Capaldi left, so I have no idea how the Jodie era's dealt with it. But, compare and contrast two different approaches to the scenario of a reptilian space alien stranded in Victorian London. C'rizz: I am kidnapped, treated like an animal, and forced to work as a freakshow exhibit. Vastra: I AM THE LESBIAN LIZARD DETECTIVE QUEEN SEE MY NINJA WIFE TEEHEEHEE Now, which one of those is believable, and which one is rarely given any thought beyond the occasional startled "I say!"
Anyway, as for the story itself, I liked it quite a lot. Despite the above subplot, I thought it was witty, and a lighter kind of episode than Eight usually gets these days. All three characters are given good material. I like Charley's instant friendship with the Duke of Wellington, I like C'rizz fighting for his dignity, and I like Eight getting a taste of domestic life. It's a very character-based story. The plot is just there to facilitate giving them all a look at, well, Other Lives. The last two episodes are certainly oversized, but in a way the more languid pace suits the story. It does still have some hints of darkness with C'rizz, who is quickly developing into an interesting character. He was bland as my grandmother's wallpaper in the Divergent Universe, but ever since we found out some of the horrible things going on in his head, I'm very curious to see where Big Finish will take him. With Scaredy Cat, I was once again frustrated with the direction of the Eighth Doctor releases. Ever since Zagreus, it's all been so inconsistent, wildly swinging from brilliant to awful every other story. Despite the very different tones, this is much closer to the revitalized feeling of Terror Firma. We just need to get this kind of quality more often than not. Sixie manages that just fine, after all. I am flying blind here, since anything beyond The Next Life has been a first listen for me, so while I hope the three subsequent releases have been the start of new chapter for Eight, I don't know that for sure. Time will tell. I think not taking history seriously could be levelled at both old and New series...I mean Tegan,Nyssa,Adric wandering around Elizabethan England in their own clothes then right up to Rory and Amy and The Doctor in their own clothes in Venice ...I mean look at the lengths Hartnell goes to in The Crusades to blend in and not to draw attention to themselves.Capaldi at least got into the appropriate garb with Bill. anyways you either care lol or you don’t it would be nice to record which Doctors did care and which didn’t for the Historical record lol
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Post by polly on Dec 7, 2020 6:49:43 GMT
I think not taking history seriously could be levelled at both old and New series...I mean Tegan,Nyssa,Adric wandering around Elizabethan England in their own clothes then right up to Rory and Amy and The Doctor in their own clothes in Venice ...I mean look at the lengths Hartnell goes to in The Crusades to blend in and not to draw attention to themselves.Capaldi at least got into the appropriate garb with Bill. anyways you either care lol or you don’t it would be nice to record which Doctors did care and which didn’t for the Historical record lol It's a matter of degrees, really. I'm willing to forgive clothing for the most part, but I would really prefer the John Lucarotti/Hartnell style of historical. Some things, though, just stretch suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. I'm not looking for realistic, but I am looking for believable, if that makes sense. I need to believe that the historical characters are reacting like real people. There were always cheats for sure, but the new series got way too comfortable treating history like a playground. It got too blatant and too big with what they did in period settings. Giant Cybermen? Dinosaurs in the Thames? I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 7:44:32 GMT
I think not taking history seriously could be levelled at both old and New series...I mean Tegan,Nyssa,Adric wandering around Elizabethan England in their own clothes then right up to Rory and Amy and The Doctor in their own clothes in Venice ...I mean look at the lengths Hartnell goes to in The Crusades to blend in and not to draw attention to themselves.Capaldi at least got into the appropriate garb with Bill. anyways you either care lol or you don’t it would be nice to record which Doctors did care and which didn’t for the Historical record lol It's a matter of degrees, really. I'm willing to forgive clothing for the most part, but I would really prefer the John Lucarotti/Hartnell style of historical. Some things, though, just stretch suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. I'm not looking for realistic, but I am looking for believable, if that makes sense. I need to believe that the historical characters are reacting like real people. There were always cheats for sure, but the new series got way too comfortable treating history like a playground. It got too blatant and too big with what they did in period settings. Giant Cybermen? Dinosaurs in the Thames? I don't think so. Wel history getting rewritten etc...mind wipes for all yes I prefer when it is taken seriously...but alas they have went were they went.... and leave someone else to clear up the mess....like BF. Doctor Who does NOT need to be about spectacle
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Post by grinch on Dec 7, 2020 7:50:16 GMT
I think not taking history seriously could be levelled at both old and New series...I mean Tegan,Nyssa,Adric wandering around Elizabethan England in their own clothes then right up to Rory and Amy and The Doctor in their own clothes in Venice ...I mean look at the lengths Hartnell goes to in The Crusades to blend in and not to draw attention to themselves.Capaldi at least got into the appropriate garb with Bill. anyways you either care lol or you don’t it would be nice to record which Doctors did care and which didn’t for the Historical record lol It's a matter of degrees, really. I'm willing to forgive clothing for the most part, but I would really prefer the John Lucarotti/Hartnell style of historical. Some things, though, just stretch suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. I'm not looking for realistic, but I am looking for believable, if that makes sense. I need to believe that the historical characters are reacting like real people. There were always cheats for sure, but the new series got way too comfortable treating history like a playground. It got too blatant and too big with what they did in period settings. Giant Cybermen? Dinosaurs in the Thames? I don't think so. That’s a good point. It’s very hard to argue about the consequences of cause and effect when you have a giant Cybermen blowing holes in Victorian London. Feel like that would at least have had a knock on effect when it comes to the running of the British Empire. Only way I think you could possibly rectify it is if you establish or just suggest something along the lines of say a Men in Black style organisation (or maybe an evolution of UNIT down the line) from far in humanity’s future which regularly goes back and erases the collective memory of all of these alien interventions to make sure their own history isn’t affected too much. Humanity not getting a jumpstart that sort of thing.
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Post by polly on Dec 7, 2020 8:34:12 GMT
That’s a good point. It’s very hard to argue about the consequences of cause and effect when you have a giant Cybermen blowing holes in Victorian London. Feel like that would at least have had a knock on effect when it comes to the running of the British Empire. Only way I think you could possibly rectify it is if you establish or just suggest something along the lines of say a Men in Black style organisation (or maybe an evolution of UNIT down the line) from far in humanity’s future which regularly goes back and erases the collective memory of all of these alien interventions to make sure their own history isn’t affected too much. Humanity not getting a jumpstart that sort of thing. Yeah, we've got a bit far afield from "Not one line," haven't we? But yeah, now I kind of want a Short Trip where Narvin or somebody has to travel along in the Doctor's wake and smooth over the breaches in temporal continuity he causes
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Post by grinch on Dec 7, 2020 8:37:11 GMT
That’s a good point. It’s very hard to argue about the consequences of cause and effect when you have a giant Cybermen blowing holes in Victorian London. Feel like that would at least have had a knock on effect when it comes to the running of the British Empire. Only way I think you could possibly rectify it is if you establish or just suggest something along the lines of say a Men in Black style organisation (or maybe an evolution of UNIT down the line) from far in humanity’s future which regularly goes back and erases the collective memory of all of these alien interventions to make sure their own history isn’t affected too much. Humanity not getting a jumpstart that sort of thing. Yeah, we've got a bit far afield from "Not one line," haven't we? But yeah, now I kind of want a Short Trip where Narvin or somebody has to travel along in the Doctor's wake and smooth over the breaches in temporal continuity he causes Could make for a fun little comedic Short Trip. Two Time Lord engineers who grow increasingly exasperated with the constant temporal changes the Doctor has caused. “And to think, it used to be so quiet around here...”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 9:21:48 GMT
That’s a good point. It’s very hard to argue about the consequences of cause and effect when you have a giant Cybermen blowing holes in Victorian London. Feel like that would at least have had a knock on effect when it comes to the running of the British Empire. Only way I think you could possibly rectify it is if you establish or just suggest something along the lines of say a Men in Black style organisation (or maybe an evolution of UNIT down the line) from far in humanity’s future which regularly goes back and erases the collective memory of all of these alien interventions to make sure their own history isn’t affected too much. Humanity not getting a jumpstart that sort of thing. Yeah, we've got a bit far afield from "Not one line," haven't we? But yeah, now I kind of want a Short Trip where Narvin or somebody has to travel along in the Doctor's wake and smooth over the breaches in temporal continuity he causes Or the Doctor being on trial for all the breaches and carelessness at least (been there haven’t we and now in this timeline nae Timelords....Time Lord Victorious-TimeLord blooming careless more like it 😂
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Post by cjr on Dec 7, 2020 9:29:04 GMT
My first run through the Sarah Jane Smith series (starting with Comeback)... I hope it’s good! 🤞🤞
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 7, 2020 9:29:39 GMT
My first run through the Sarah Jane Smith series (starting with Comeback)... I hope it’s good! 🤞🤞 Oh yes they are
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 7, 2020 9:34:11 GMT
Just started 6th Doctor "Order Of The Daleks"..
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Post by ljwilson on Dec 7, 2020 11:53:17 GMT
My first run through the Sarah Jane Smith series (starting with Comeback)... I hope it’s good! 🤞🤞 I really like the SJS series.
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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 7, 2020 11:59:03 GMT
Currently finishing off The John Nathan Turner Memoirs, then during the rest of the day.. Day 5 Dead Men's Tales (Jago and Litefoot 3.1) The Man At The End Of The Garden (Jago and Litefoot 3.2) Swan Song (Jago and Litefoot 3.3) Chronoclasm (Jago and Litefoot 3.4) I'm not exactly rushed off my feet today.... Day 6 Jago In Love (Jago and Litefoot 4.1) Beautiful Things (Jago and Litefoot 4.2) Day 7 The Lonely Clock (Jago and Litefoot 4.3) The Hourglass Killers (Jago and Litefoot 4.4) All going well I'll either dive headfirst into Voyage To Venus this evening...or change tack and try to finish off At Childhood's End..
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