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Post by newt5996 on Mar 1, 2016 3:16:18 GMT
What releases are underrated? For me personally Zagreus and The Fearmonger
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Post by elkawho on Mar 1, 2016 3:40:09 GMT
For me it's Time Works, The Game, and Seasons Of Fear.
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 1, 2016 3:55:27 GMT
For me it's Time Works, The Game, and Seasons Of Fear. Seasons of Fear is certainly underrated, but Time Works seems to get a lot of good feelings, so I'm not sure it's really underrated. But White Ghosts, Demons of Red Lodge, The Sandman, and The Settling are all underrated IMHO. You could put the entire DW: Unbound range in there too. Well, except for {Spoiler} Exile. Didn't care for it at all. And my personal favorite is Equilibrium. Gem of a story, and although people seem to feel positively about it overall, I don't see it being lauded as it deserves.
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Post by seeley on Mar 1, 2016 3:56:35 GMT
Hmmm...
The Game definitely doesn't get enough praise. I quite liked Seasons of Fear and the Fearmonger, too, but I think those are both fairly well-regarded.
He Jests at Scars, the Apocalypse Element, and the Mutant Phase all come to mind as underrated stories. Hmm... Year of the Pig doesn't get enough praise, either, though it's not widely derided.
Finally, I rather enjoyed Destination Nerva. It's not perfect, by any means (it could easily have used another episode, for one,) but I couldn't see why it became such a bete-noir. And I'm not normally a big fan of nostalgia-driven stories, either.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 1, 2016 3:58:26 GMT
For me it's Time Works, The Game, and Seasons Of Fear. Seasons of Fear is certainly underrated, but Time Works seems to get a lot of good feelings, so I'm not sure it's really underrated. But White Ghosts, Demons of Red Lodge, The Sandman, and The Settling are all underrated IMHO. You could put the entire DW: Unbound range in there too. Well, except for {Spoiler} Exile. Didn't care for it at all. And my personal favorite is Equilibrium. Gem of a story, and although people seem to feel positively about it overall, I don't see it being lauded as it deserves. I completely agree with Equilibrium. It is one of my favorite 5th Doctor stories.
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Post by omega on Mar 1, 2016 4:25:51 GMT
Lurkers at Sunlight's Edge. It's solid, linear story and continuity-wise stands up well on its own while the other Seventh Doctor, Ace and Hex stories at the time were part of one big arc or another. If you're listening in release order it offers a nice transition between the Hex's Mother revelation and the Elder Gods trilogy. There's also this gem of a line from Hex, when he's about to be sacrificed:
I agree on Zagreus. I feel lots of the dislike and confusion stems from how it looks like an anniversary multi-Doctor story when it's actually a key transitioning story between two major arcs for the Eighth Doctor and Charley. If you look at it as an arc story, it's perhaps at times a bit too ambitious than it needs to be, but definitely sticks in your mind for one reason or another. The idea of having the figures in the various scenarios The story, the third disc specifically, acts as a backdoor pilot for the Gallifrey range, setting up Leela, Romana II, K9 and Braxiatel co-existing on Gallifrey at the same point in time.
The Rapture. It's got some interesting and thought-provoking ideas as well as a great soundscape. It also gives Ace some of what she needed at that point, someone to talk to who she could trust, and it's a pity the person who helps her hasn't shown up again. The cover is simplistic and eye-catching.
Equilibrium is another one I have to agree with. It's an interesting and relatively original concept that fits perfectly in the E-Space setting. The whole cast is amazing and you feel for each and every person considering the situation they have been in all their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 4:52:37 GMT
And my personal favorite is Equilibrium. Gem of a story, and although people seem to feel positively about it overall, I don't see it being lauded as it deserves. It's a story that's hamstrung by the return to E-Space trilogy as a whole really. The story arc itself has unfortunately overshadowed what is otherwise a solid Bidmead-style tale where a seemingly idealistic society is subverted by outsiders from within. I know a number of people who think that it could have been done with Four/Romana/Adric/K9 and fair enough, but Five/Tegan/Nyssa/Turlough seem to serve it all pretty well regardless. I don't think I've heard much of anything for Auld Mortality, Sympathy for the Devil, Storm of Angels and Masters of War. Marc Platt really shines and Sympathy might just be Jonathan Clements finest work on the Big Finish range barring Year Zero in the Benny Summerfield range. The far latter really feels just like the pilot to an early 2000s continuation of a relatively obscure cult classic television series since its cancellation in 1969. Everything is well-utilised from the returning characters to the original elements, it's everything the TV Movie should have been and much, much more. Red Dawn is another which I think has actually improved with age, I was surprised by how fast all four episodes went past. The Sandman also seems to go unremarked despite its vivid worldbuilding, spectacular cast, intriguing take on the then untrustworthy Sixth Doctor and richly textured story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 6:29:09 GMT
For me it's Time Works, The Game, and Seasons Of Fear. Yes, I recently listened to The Game after getting it in the 51-100 sale and while the main plot is fairly amiable nonsense, the sub-plot with Carlisle (I think that was his name) is basically the template for the entire River Song saga, minus all the parental and marriage complications. Very powerful stuff.
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Post by omega on Mar 1, 2016 6:35:59 GMT
Red. It's one of the few stories I went into knowing absolutely nothing about before listening and man, it's a strong story.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 1, 2016 8:42:16 GMT
*Materialises*
I've said it before and will again ... Zagreus! If you take out all the "anniversary" hype, it's actually a good story with great interplay between the Doctor/Zagreus and the Tardis/Brig
*Dematerialises quickly* ...
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 8:58:47 GMT
'The Death Collectors' and 'Red' for me. Hugely underrated in my view. I would love to hear more BF stories from this writer.
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Post by omega on Mar 1, 2016 9:24:06 GMT
'The Death Collectors' and 'Red' for me. Hugely underrated in my view. I would love to hear more BF stories from this writer. If you like The Death Collectors, Stewart Sheargold did a prequel with the Companion Chronicle The Darkening Eye, narrated by Nyssa and the only CC set in season 19. Make sure to ask Tim Bradley about it. There's a fascinating little one-part story with Death Collectors, Spider's Shadow. It affords the listener a glimpse into the Doctor's perspective of his plans as we follow him going through the story in random order and learning the situation along with him. It's an original story idea considering we often follow the chronological series of events and it's the Doctor popping up in random order, like The Shadow Heart. For that reason alone Spider's Shadow is well worth a listen. Another Seventh Doctor three-parter/one-parter I enjoy but gets little love is Kingdom of Silver and Keepsake. It's one of the few stories I've seen DWM get really negative about (others include Rings of Akhaten and Daleks Among Us), but it's a nice crossover into the Cyberman spin-off continuity (the Cyberman counter-part to Dalek Empire), another underrated range. A character from Keepsake even appears in the Cyberman 2 box set, both written by James Swallow. The 3/1 releases in general are pretty good but don't get much discussion. It's kind of a pity that the format ended after only a couple of years, as it afforded stories that sat comfortably over three parts not to be stretched over four and a nice little one-part with an interesting concept to flourish. We've had stories that comprises of a series of phone calls, Rashamon-style, a companion's origin and a total mindscrew, among others. A Perfect World, released with Time Reef, allowed Thomas Brewster to be written out without shoehorning it into the main story of Time Reef. At least the anthologies allow writers to use their one episode story ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 13:44:15 GMT
'The Death Collectors' and 'Red' for me. Hugely underrated in my view. I would love to hear more BF stories from this writer. If you like The Death Collectors, Stewart Sheargold did a prequel with the Companion Chronicle The Darkening Eye, narrated by Nyssa and the only CC set in season 19. Make sure to ask Tim Bradley about it. There's a fascinating little one-part story with Death Collectors, Spider's Shadow. It affords the listener a glimpse into the Doctor's perspective of his plans as we follow him going through the story in random order and learning the situation along with him. It's an original story idea considering we often follow the chronological series of events and it's the Doctor popping up in random order, like The Shadow Heart. For that reason alone Spider's Shadow is well worth a listen. Unlike just about everyone else, really didn't care for The Spider's Shadow at all. Perhaps I should give it another listen. I loved 'The Darkening Eye'! A terrific story that added some extra weight to the fascinating concept of The Death Collectors. I often wish that these creatures had been given the kind of 'push' that has been afforded to less interesting concepts like The Viyrans or The Eminence.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 1, 2016 13:51:44 GMT
I do have to agree with Fearmonger, Sandman, Seasons of Fear and Zagreus. I was lucky with the latter as i didnt hear it as part of the Anniversary. I only heard it last year or so straight after Neverland and that worked for me.
Out side of the main range i have to say that UNIT with Chaurdy is underrated
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Post by Ela on Mar 1, 2016 16:50:12 GMT
*Materialises* I've said it before and will again ... Zagreus! If you take out all the "anniversary" hype, it's actually a good story with great interplay between the Doctor/Zagreus and the Tardis/Brig *Dematerialises quickly* ... Cheers Tony Agreed!
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Post by jason on Mar 1, 2016 18:10:02 GMT
Finally, I rather enjoyed Destination Nerva. It's not perfect, by any means (it could easily have used another episode, for one,) but I couldn't see why it became such a bete-noir. And I'm not normally a big fan of nostalgia-driven stories, either. I listened to that twice - the first time I felt kind of 'meh', but on re-listen, I really loved it. Two really cool sci-fi concepts in the British Empire conquering the stars, and the 'absorption' plague. You really can't fathom how the Doctor's going to win, at one point. Most underrated - gotta be Embrace the Darkness. How on Earth is that not a classic? The atmosphere! Stands with Chimes of Midnight and Seasons of Fear easily, for me.
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Post by eric009 on Mar 2, 2016 0:17:23 GMT
Kingdom of Silver 10/10 is fav of mine and Fearmonger i give it a 7 of 10 Auld Mortality, 7/10 Sympathy for the Devil 9/10 , Storm of Angels 7/10 and Masters of War 10/10 Zagreus 6/10
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 2, 2016 1:07:32 GMT
I'd also like to throw in the Seventh Doctor Lost Stories as underrated as, while not as good as Season 26 was, if on television would have still been very good in quality
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Post by agentten on Mar 2, 2016 2:26:26 GMT
I'd echo that Zagreus is underrated. Certainly there are people who love it, but just as many don't, it seems. I also heard it outside of the anniversary and listened to it simply as the continuation of the Eight/Charlie stories, and while I didn't think everything worked (the Disneyland stuff was hard to get through) I thought on the whole it was quite good and succeeded in many of its ambitions. It's also a brilliant performance by Paul McGann.
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Post by relativetime on Mar 2, 2016 6:05:02 GMT
I'm not too sure what might be considered as underrated, but I generally find Starlight Robbery isn't mentioned a lot, nor is The Nightmare Fair, one of my favorite Sixth Doctor lost stories. Besides that, though, I wouldn't be able to tell!
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