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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2017 10:55:48 GMT
You just made me regurgitate my drink all over the kitchen table. What did? The Terileptil icon? No, the fact that you said the circus clown Boris Johnson would make a better PM than Theresa May. There's no way you can say someone who wants to build a wall between Mexico and the U.S. isn't racist. To stop illegal immigrants. It's got nothing to do with race. He just doesn't want an overpopulation. That does't really come into it. And most of the illegals walk right in, basically. Alienating an entire race of people by building a wall is not a way to control immigration without being racist.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 3, 2017 11:29:56 GMT
If I'm honest, communism is probably something the Doctor's against... I dunno, "each according to their needs" sounds like something the Doctor would totally be for, but Stalin or some other despot who's only in it for themselves would be someone he'd go against. In all seriousness, I'm a bit against the Doctor meeting too many historical figures and influencing them: it's a bit like the Von Daniken theory of history which cheapens the efforts and achievements of our predecessors and ancestors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 12:13:39 GMT
If I'm honest, communism is probably something the Doctor's against... I dunno, "each according to their needs" sounds like something the Doctor would totally be for, but Stalin or some other despot who's only in it for themselves would be someone he'd go against. In all seriousness, I'm a bit against the Doctor meeting too many historical figures and influencing them: it's a bit like the Von Daniken theory of history which cheapens the efforts and achievements of our predecessors and ancestors. It sounds like something the Doctor would be for. The irony of the Doctor being a "socialist" is the fact that on a number of occasions he'll manipulate things into the manner and he gets on with conservative leaders more than socialist leaders. I mean, I will never forget the Doctor's great mates with Churchill.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 12:15:58 GMT
What did? The Terileptil icon? No, the fact that you said the circus clown Boris Johnson would make a better PM than Theresa May. To stop illegal immigrants. It's got nothing to do with race. He just doesn't want an overpopulation. That does't really come into it. And most of the illegals walk right in, basically. Alienating an entire race of people by building a wall is not a way to control immigration without being racist. Firstly, what's wrong with saying that. He's done nothing wrong. And, for all I care, Jeremy Corbyn's more of a clown. I mean, he does things for honorable reasons, but the means he uses makes him look silly. Also, one thing I don't get about Corbyn is the fact he has all these prospects, but he's not told us how he's going to build a ton of houses for homeless. Where does he get the money. Secondly, how would you stop the illegal immigration. As far as I'm concerned, it's as good an idea as any others I've heard.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 3, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
I dunno, "each according to their needs" sounds like something the Doctor would totally be for, but Stalin or some other despot who's only in it for themselves would be someone he'd go against. In all seriousness, I'm a bit against the Doctor meeting too many historical figures and influencing them: it's a bit like the Von Daniken theory of history which cheapens the efforts and achievements of our predecessors and ancestors. It sounds like something the Doctor would be for. The irony of the Doctor being a "socialist" is the fact that on a number of occasions he'll manipulate things into the manner and he gets on with conservative leaders more than socialist leaders. I mean, I will never forget the Doctor's great mates with Churchill. Keep your friends close...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 13:26:35 GMT
It sounds like something the Doctor would be for. The irony of the Doctor being a "socialist" is the fact that on a number of occasions he'll manipulate things into the manner and he gets on with conservative leaders more than socialist leaders. I mean, I will never forget the Doctor's great mates with Churchill. Keep your friends close... Fair enough, but still... I genuinely don't think the Doctor is a socialist and that he's a blanket capitalist or something. I mean, he does a lot of harsh things and then berates people for doing the same thing. He also sticks to his guns a lot. Something Thatcher is famous for. I think they'd get on. I don't think he'd get on with, say, John Major or Michael Gove. Then again he'd probably not get with Tony Blair (the champagne socialist), since he lied a lot and was the aforementioned champagne socialist part. I think it really depend for the Doctor on what the person's policies are. In the future, I could see a Doctor Who story with some more recent US politicians and kind of berate them. Even Obama's kind of arrogant. He calls the only thing anyone knows him for (except for the fact he's the first black president, which is kind of a pathetic thing to be famous for, since the racism crimes increased during his tenure) Obamacare. Then, I mean with the two Bushes and Bill Clinton there's some things that he wouldn't like them for definitely. Not sure about Trump. I think it'll depend on what he actually does during his presidency and how history views him.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 3, 2017 13:45:21 GMT
**Moderation**
There's not much sign of this topic getting back on track. If it stays off track for much longer, we'll have to lock the thread. There are other places to debate political viewpoints, please don't derail what started off as being an interesting topic.
Sort it or lose it guys!
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Post by bobod on Jan 3, 2017 13:55:01 GMT
Yiff - I had pretty much the same thought when I saw the title of this thread. STill, some of the suggestions above I wouldn't be against - (Franklin, Hamilton in particular) I don't want to pick on them because they really do fantastic work. But, in this day of digital recording, there's gotta be a way to book a recoding day in the USA, hire a local producer or something, patch them in, and record the actors remotely. Maybe to keep costs down you record a bunch of roles at once. Maybe it's more noticeable to me, as an American, and to be fair I haven't heard everything, but every time I do hear someone try to take on an American accent it takes me right out of the story. To be fair, I know of *several* instances of American actors who came in, *used their own speaking voice* and had their American accent criticised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:15:44 GMT
I don't want to pick on them because they really do fantastic work. But, in this day of digital recording, there's gotta be a way to book a recoding day in the USA, hire a local producer or something, patch them in, and record the actors remotely. Maybe to keep costs down you record a bunch of roles at once. Maybe it's more noticeable to me, as an American, and to be fair I haven't heard everything, but every time I do hear someone try to take on an American accent it takes me right out of the story. To be fair, I know of *several* instances of American actors who came in, *used their own speaking voice* and had their American accent criticised. Harry Ditson in UNIT: Shutdown being one such case this year. Baffling since he's heard on the extras for the release using his American accent. I can only assume some people thought he was so method he only drops character once the bonus features are recorded, and he was really playing the UNIT General there. It's just a bit of a non-issue for me as I'd imagine it is for a lot of people who have long since accepted they have accents TV and film never get remotely right without casting natives. God knows I've heard enough bad "See you jimmy" accents from otherwise good actors. How often do Hollywood films think the only two accents in the UK are r.p. and mockney? How often is "Vaguely Russian" a stand in accent for any country east of Germany? And those casting directors have a lot more scope and a bigger talent pool to pick from than BF do. All things considered they do pretty well. I remember RTD being asked about an egregious accent and saying something to the effect of if that's your only issue, and the only thing that takes you out the story about an ancient wizard in a magic box meeting aliens and monsters...he's happy enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:21:27 GMT
If I'm honest, communism is probably something the Doctor's against... I dunno, "each according to their needs" sounds like something the Doctor would totally be for, but Stalin or some other despot who's only in it for themselves would be someone he'd go against. In all seriousness, I'm a bit against the Doctor meeting too many historical figures and influencing them: it's a bit like the Von Daniken theory of history which cheapens the efforts and achievements of our predecessors and ancestors. I think it's fine if it's quite a a broad life with many facets. I agree entirely with the principle though. I'd hate, for example, a story where The Doctor influences Rosa Parks to take her stand. Some achievements need to be one persons alone. But many names mentioned here on the thread, the pertinent posts anyway, have large enough histories to not have to focus on one defining incident.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:22:19 GMT
The Doctor meeting Harvey Milk would be interesting. I'd love that.
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Post by Ela on Jan 3, 2017 14:28:43 GMT
Now I'm not sure if your first post was a joke or not. It was a joke that failed miserably. I got it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 3, 2017 15:47:48 GMT
The Doctor meeting Harvey Milk would be interesting. I'd love that. Yes, me as well. It is totally the kind of figure the series or the audios have never really dealt with and would open up a wide range of possible stories. Now which Doctor?
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 3, 2017 17:36:47 GMT
In all seriousness, I'm a bit against the Doctor meeting too many historical figures and influencing them: it's a bit like the Von Daniken theory of history which cheapens the efforts and achievements of our predecessors and ancestors. Point well taken. I would also be against The Doctor wielding too much influence on history, but I do think there's a bit of room for him to be present in a less influential capacity as an interested observer or to ensure that history isn't thrown off track by meddlesome influences with time travel capabilities.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 3, 2017 18:51:41 GMT
There is a reason that Trump was endorsed by David Duke. There is a reason why the white nationalists are becoming emboldened by Trump's victory. Trump courts racists, and then pretends that he doesn't know why he's seen as a racist. It is possible to discuss illegal immigration without declaring that an entire group of people are rapists. It is possible to discuss terrorism without proposing a ban on an entire religion. It is possible to ignore somebody who attacks you at the oppossing convention, without implying that his wife isn't allowed to talk because she is Muslim. And that's not even getting into all of that housing discrimination stuff from back in the day. To be fair, he might actually have had a point about the wife not speaking. I mean, if it meant so much to her, why didn't she speak? What was the point of her going up on stage? I didn't get it. It was just the man on the stage using the fact his son was a soldier as a get-out-of-jail free card to be quite crude about Trump.. Also, in the islamic religion, from what I understand, women are generally portrayed as weaker than men. That's not be trying to be rude, but it's what people who've read it have told me. Then again I could be wrong. Please tell me if I am, as I'll get rid of this bit, since it may upset some people. I'm not saying that other religions don't have things I don't agree with. Take Catholicism, for example, a ton of the priests there are pedophiles and have been covering that stuff up. That isn't cool either. I'm agnostic and, no, I wouldn't ban a race from a country. Then again he's retracted that one. And, to that, I have to commend him. When he does say things that are wrong, he does apologise. Do you have any idea how difficult it must be to stand in front of a huge crowd of people and discuss your dead son? She was up their supporting her husband, but it was his speech. Parts of the Islamic religion are sexist. So are parts of the Jewish and Christian religions. These things are thousands of years old and values have changed over time. That doesn't mean that you should make assumptions about a modern American woman.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 3, 2017 19:40:22 GMT
What did? The Terileptil icon? No, the fact that you said the circus clown Boris Johnson would make a better PM than Theresa May. To stop illegal immigrants. It's got nothing to do with race. He just doesn't want an overpopulation. That does't really come into it. And most of the illegals walk right in, basically. Alienating an entire race of people by building a wall is not a way to control immigration without being racist. This is a topic for a different thread. Even I recognize that, and I'm denser than a brick sh**house. But, building a wall to keep out ILLEGAL immigrants, is no different than building a prison to house criminals...But, if you would rather we just shoot them when they cross ILLEGALLY, I don't really have that much of a problem with that either.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 3, 2017 20:00:24 GMT
THIS THREAD HAS NOW BEEN LOCKED!
The Mod team will also discuss if any further action is to be taken
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