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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 20:35:42 GMT
Bill is fantastic. She was such a nice change of pace. I fell in love with her from the first scene.
Yeah, Eaters of the Light... it has some great scenes and atmosphere, but I think it is let down by the ending and the reveal of the monster. They could have done more with it.
She’s a bit like a modern Ace in her way😊 They should give Bill her own BF spin-off about her and Heather’s adventures together 😀 To be honest, I'd be more excited about a Bill spin-off than any of the other nu-Who companions.
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Post by polly on Jul 7, 2020 21:16:32 GMT
Mawdryn Undead - I really love this story. It's got a great pace and interesting concepts. Turlough is one of my favorite companions. It's like they went back to that initial concept for Adric and decided to do it properly this time. Add the Brig as a cherry on top, and it's one of the highlights of Season 20.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 22:38:00 GMT
Oh, definitely. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls feels like its up there with Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone, Vincent and the Doctor, The Snowmen and Heaven Sent for me. Just really good television. All that build up with an excellent payoff. For me too. I had two friends - not huge fans of the show - independently call me to make sure I was watching 'World Enough and Time' as it was being broadcast (I was!). Similar here! We'd gotten up to Oxygen when it was broadcasting and the word was put out about how good the new season was shaping out to be. I've very fond memories that story, it had nice Vengeance on Varos vibes where it was less about individual villainy and more about the systems behind it that enable them. The space walk, in particular, was wonderfully cinematic. I wish I'd been able to see that in a theatre.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 8, 2020 0:25:38 GMT
I never saw their relationship as romantic, for me the idea is unpalatable especially given the fact that Clara has a bf. I agree, it is like Colin Baker says, the Doctor falling in love with a human is like Colin falling in love with a sheep. I find this alien romance creepy. There are horror movies about that. And there is tentacle porn. I don’t like the tendency towards romance in the revived series. I got it a little with Rose: the Doctor was the last of his kind, filled with rage and sadness and survivor’s guilt... and along comes someone who can only see goodness and wonder in him. It’s only natural that he should feel something in return. His rebuffing of Martha and insistence on being Donna’s mate was, I think, an acknowledgment that he’d made a mistake or error of judgment. With Clara, he was so caught up in the mystery of her that he may have let himself become a little captivated by her and her by him in return. By the time he’d regenerated into 12 he’d let her go reluctantly - rather like admitting that a relationship doesn’t work because of circumstances rather than the participants - but they still remained a little more than best friends after that. To me they’re like friends who are such good mates and understand each other so well that people wonder why they don’t get together... but they can’t because if it goes bad then they can’t have each other as friends anymore.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 8, 2020 0:28:53 GMT
For me too. I had two friends - not huge fans of the show - independently call me to make sure I was watching 'World Enough and Time' as it was being broadcast (I was!). Similar here! We'd gotten up to Oxygen when it was broadcasting and the word was put out about how good the new season was shaping out to be. I've very fond memories that story, it had nice Vengeance on Varos vibes where it was less about individual villainy and more about the systems behind it that enable them. The space walk, in particular, was wonderfully cinematic. I wish I'd been able to see that in a theatre. I love Oxygen - as an episode as well as an element - and it’s such a blatantly political script that it throws the brouhaha about the most recent seasons being “too PC” into sharp relief. Agree with you on the spacewalk, too. Amazing scene.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 0:48:32 GMT
I agree, it is like Colin Baker says, the Doctor falling in love with a human is like Colin falling in love with a sheep. I find this alien romance creepy. There are horror movies about that. And there is tentacle porn. I don’t like the tendency towards romance in the revived series. I got it a little with Rose: the Doctor was the last of his kind, filled with rage and sadness and survivor’s guilt... and along comes someone who can only see goodness and wonder in him. It’s only natural that he should feel something in return. His rebuffing of Martha and insistence on being Donna’s mate was, I think, an acknowledgment that he’d made a mistake or error of judgment. With Clara, he was so caught up in the mystery of her that he may have let himself become a little captivated by her and her by him in return. By the time he’d regenerated into 12 he’d let her go reluctantly - rather like admitting that a relationship doesn’t work because of circumstances rather than the participants - but they still remained a little more than best friends after that. To me they’re like friends who are such good mates and understand each other so well that people wonder why they don’t get together... but they can’t because if it goes bad then they can’t have each other as friends anymore. That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lol
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 8, 2020 0:54:51 GMT
I don’t like the tendency towards romance in the revived series. I got it a little with Rose: the Doctor was the last of his kind, filled with rage and sadness and survivor’s guilt... and along comes someone who can only see goodness and wonder in him. It’s only natural that he should feel something in return. His rebuffing of Martha and insistence on being Donna’s mate was, I think, an acknowledgment that he’d made a mistake or error of judgment. With Clara, he was so caught up in the mystery of her that he may have let himself become a little captivated by her and her by him in return. By the time he’d regenerated into 12 he’d let her go reluctantly - rather like admitting that a relationship doesn’t work because of circumstances rather than the participants - but they still remained a little more than best friends after that. To me they’re like friends who are such good mates and understand each other so well that people wonder why they don’t get together... but they can’t because if it goes bad then they can’t have each other as friends anymore. That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lol The Doctor as a romantic hero isn’t totally in my wheelhouse but I’m not averse to it - I love the River Song storyline and I thought that the ending of Husbands was just superb. And the end of Forest Of The Dead gets me right in the feels every time.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 1:00:13 GMT
That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lol The Doctor as a romantic hero isn’t totally in my wheelhouse but I’m not averse to it - I love the River Song storyline and I thought that the ending of Husbands was just superb. And the end of Forest Of The Dead gets me right in the feels every time. I like Husbands a lot 😊but I have issues with it happening directly after Clara’s exit🤔 Forest of the Dead is brilliant isn’t it!😀
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 8, 2020 2:10:26 GMT
The Doctor as a romantic hero isn’t totally in my wheelhouse but I’m not averse to it - I love the River Song storyline and I thought that the ending of Husbands was just superb. And the end of Forest Of The Dead gets me right in the feels every time. I like Husbands a lot 😊but I have issues with it happening directly after Clara’s exit🤔 Forest of the Dead is brilliant isn’t it!😀 It is excellent.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 8, 2020 10:18:25 GMT
I agree, it is like Colin Baker says, the Doctor falling in love with a human is like Colin falling in love with a sheep. I find this alien romance creepy. There are horror movies about that. And there is tentacle porn. I don’t like the tendency towards romance in the revived series. I got it a little with Rose: the Doctor was the last of his kind, filled with rage and sadness and survivor’s guilt... and along comes someone who can only see goodness and wonder in him. It’s only natural that he should feel something in return. His rebuffing of Martha and insistence on being Donna’s mate was, I think, an acknowledgment that he’d made a mistake or error of judgment. With Clara, he was so caught up in the mystery of her that he may have let himself become a little captivated by her and her by him in return. By the time he’d regenerated into 12 he’d let her go reluctantly - rather like admitting that a relationship doesn’t work because of circumstances rather than the participants - but they still remained a little more than best friends after that. To me they’re like friends who are such good mates and understand each other so well that people wonder why they don’t get together... but they can’t because if it goes bad then they can’t have each other as friends anymore. I am loving this!
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 8, 2020 10:26:13 GMT
I don’t like the tendency towards romance in the revived series. I got it a little with Rose: the Doctor was the last of his kind, filled with rage and sadness and survivor’s guilt... and along comes someone who can only see goodness and wonder in him. It’s only natural that he should feel something in return. His rebuffing of Martha and insistence on being Donna’s mate was, I think, an acknowledgment that he’d made a mistake or error of judgment. With Clara, he was so caught up in the mystery of her that he may have let himself become a little captivated by her and her by him in return. By the time he’d regenerated into 12 he’d let her go reluctantly - rather like admitting that a relationship doesn’t work because of circumstances rather than the participants - but they still remained a little more than best friends after that. To me they’re like friends who are such good mates and understand each other so well that people wonder why they don’t get together... but they can’t because if it goes bad then they can’t have each other as friends anymore. That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lolOh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 12:04:05 GMT
That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lolOh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Fair enough, I still love this forum, even if it is mainly “old farts”!😊😄😉
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 8, 2020 13:06:38 GMT
That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lolOh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Phew, thankfully I haven't got that mature & thoughtful yet! lol I think romance in Who is fine but needs to be handled well & if it just repeats with every doctor it becomes boring. For example when they tried it with Martha it was a real detriment to her character.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 13:16:59 GMT
Oh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Phew, thankfully I haven't got that mature & thoughtful yet! lol I think romance in Who is fine but needs to be handled well & if it just repeats with every doctor it becomes boring. For example when they tried it with Martha it was a real detriment to her character. I agree😊it needs to be special when they do have it! Also they should bring Martha back along with Micky back to the tv series and have them travel with 13 for an episode or two!
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 8, 2020 13:17:16 GMT
Oh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Phew, thankfully I haven't got that mature & thoughtful yet! lol I think romance in Who is fine but needs to be handled well & if it just repeats with every doctor it becomes boring. For example when they tried it with Martha it was a real detriment to her character. (replies in a very old creaky voice): "Wait till you are my age, young man..."
Yes, I agree with you on Martha.
She came across a bit needy and desperate.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
Phew, thankfully I haven't got that mature & thoughtful yet! lol I think romance in Who is fine but needs to be handled well & if it just repeats with every doctor it becomes boring. For example when they tried it with Martha it was a real detriment to her character. (replies in a very old creaky voice): "Wait till you are my age, young man..."
Yes, I agree with you on Martha.
She came across a bit needy and desperate.
She was a good companion that wasn’t handled well, I feel like they either need to bring her back to the tv series and meet 13 or have her travel with a different Doctor on BF who appreciates her intelligence more. Maybe if she traveled with a classic Doctor or if they wait until they have Peter I actually think think her and 12 would make a good TARDIS team and I am sure 12 would be apologetic for how he treated her in his 10th incarnation.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 8, 2020 13:34:45 GMT
That’s a really interesting interpretation of 12 and Clara’s relationship, you really hit on a fascinating element of melancholy and yearning for what could be if things were different. I feel like BF should explore this angle more if they ever get Peter and Jenna on board! It would be fascinating to see what could be between 12 and Clara if things were different 🤔 I think I see where you are coming from, all the romance would be jarring I guess if you were more used to the classic series which has very little romance. I do see where you are coming from. I was exposed to the modern series first, and I have always found the romantic elements one of my favorite and one of the most compelling elements of modern Who to the point where I would be very sad if they got rid of it. *sigh* sometimes I feel a bit lonely being like the one whovian here who is pro-romance in Doctor Who, lolOh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Just to buck the trend, I’m probably one of the youngest members of the forum, came to Doctor Who via the new series and I never saw the 12th Doctor and Clara’s relationship as romantic, just a very close friendship. Not opposed to romance in Who, just never saw it with those two. I’ve never quite got shipping either, but it usually seems quite positive aspect of fandoms. I do avoid the r-rated fanfic though...
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 13:40:13 GMT
Oh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Just to buck the trend, I’m probably one of the youngest members of the forum, came to Doctor Who via the new series and I never saw the 12th Doctor and Clara’s relationship as romantic, just a very close friendship. Not opposed to romance in Who, just never saw it with those two. I’ve never quite got shipping either, but it usually seems quite positive aspect of fandoms. I do avoid the r-rated fanfic though... Fair enough, it’s interesting hearing everyone’s viewpoints 😊
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 8, 2020 14:38:02 GMT
Oh, I have heard there are plenty of shippers around (just not on this forum). There also appears to be a pile of fanfic that gets quite... into detail. So to speak. There is even the rumour that Moffat himself has written a R-rated fanfic of Missy on Master action.
Not that I have seen any of this in person.
I think one of the reasons you might think so is that in this forum, people tend to be a bit more mature and thoughtful and less inclined to give into romantic feelings... or in other words, there are too many of us old farts around. Many on here are also more into the classic series than the new stuff, from what I can tell.
Although, I also came onboard quite late and entered with the New Series. But I have never been a shipper in series and films. Just not my thing.
Just to buck the trend, I’m probably one of the youngest members of the forum, came to Doctor Who via the new series and I never saw the 12th Doctor and Clara’s relationship as romantic, just a very close friendship. Not opposed to romance in Who, just never saw it with those two. I’ve never quite got shipping either, but it usually seems quite positive aspect of fandoms. I do avoid the r-rated fanfic though... Yeah 12 & Clara particularly seems a strange combo but then any romance between the Doctor & a companion is quite unique when compared to 2 human characters due to the longevity of the Doctor. Yaz & 13 seem to be the new couple in fandom.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 8, 2020 14:52:04 GMT
Just to buck the trend, I’m probably one of the youngest members of the forum, came to Doctor Who via the new series and I never saw the 12th Doctor and Clara’s relationship as romantic, just a very close friendship. Not opposed to romance in Who, just never saw it with those two. I’ve never quite got shipping either, but it usually seems quite positive aspect of fandoms. I do avoid the r-rated fanfic though... Yeah 12 & Clara particularly seems a strange combo but then any romance between the Doctor & a companion is quite unique when compared to 2 human characters due to the longevity of the Doctor. Yaz & 13 seem to be the new couple in fandom. Both are interesting to me!😊 I wonder if they will explore 13 and Yaz more next series!🤔🙂
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