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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 15:46:42 GMT
Phew, thankfully I haven't got that mature & thoughtful yet! lol I think romance in Who is fine but needs to be handled well & if it just repeats with every doctor it becomes boring. For example when they tried it with Martha it was a real detriment to her character. (replies in a very old creaky voice): "Wait till you are my age, young man..."
Yes, I agree with you on Martha.
She came across a bit needy and desperate.
I must admit, I really liked Martha - even more so in retrospect. At first, she was dazzled by this dashing 10th Doctor and clearly had designs on him! Her big-eyed looks of disappointment every time he clumsily mentioned 'his old flame' Rose were heartbreaking to me. That didn't last long though. When she realised a relationship wasn't on the cards - how could it have been, really? - she pulled herself together and walked away, dignity intact. I thought her composure was actually more elegant than that of Rose - although I loved Rose, but she could be a bit ... sulky.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 9, 2020 11:09:58 GMT
Hello again.
Completely agree with you on this. Martha was a great companion shining particularly in Human Nature and Family of Blood and the final trilogy of the season.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jul 10, 2020 8:55:59 GMT
Hello everyone! Been watching 'The Talons of Weng-Chiang' this week. Even my Dad considers it a well-made 'Doctor Who' story! Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 20:27:38 GMT
Can't be bothered with the menu loading times so decided to pop in a VHS, as the machine has been patiently on standby for at least 12 months or more. Head cleaner in action before it played (machine inactivity), but now watching 'Revenge of the Cybermen' in glorious low-fi. Tape still playing excellently and with vivid colour and stable sound and picture quality.
Know it off by heart really but that's the mark of an old school classic. No fancy side bars like those Blu-Rays either. And who needs CGI effects?
Having taught ICT A level about storage medium, its true what they say about Magnetic Tape being one of the most stable and durable back-up methods. Just an issue of having reliable media, such as a working player with good heads and you are good to go!
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Post by polly on Jul 10, 2020 22:49:32 GMT
Terminus - I've never liked this story. It's a pretty dull middle chapter in the otherwise excellent Black Guardian trilogy. Nyssa deserved better.
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Post by ollychops on Jul 15, 2020 21:39:41 GMT
Not watched, but listened to Evil of the Daleks for the first time. Might be my favourite Classic Who Dalek story, next to Remembrance. Though, it definitely has its problems (Kemel being a racist caricature is the main issue), but other than that I really enjoyed it. If it had indeed been the final Dalek story as intended, it would have been the perfect send-off for them.
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Post by melkur on Jul 15, 2020 22:30:37 GMT
Tonight my 5th Doctor 'run through' (finally) draws to a close with 'The Caves Of Androzani' part 4.
It's a sad coincidence that Maurice Roeves passed away yesterday...
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Post by constonks on Jul 16, 2020 7:53:08 GMT
Not watched, but listened to Evil of the Daleks for the first time. Might be my favourite Classic Who Dalek story, next to Remembrance. Though, it definitely has its problems (Kemel being a racist caricature is the main issue), but other than that I really enjoyed it. If it had indeed been the final Dalek story as intended, it would have been the perfect send-off for them. Kemel in one serial, Toberman in the next. Sure, it's the sixties but it makes you go "yikes" at least a little bit. But I do agree that it's among the best Dalek stories - it's also probably my #2 Troughton after the War Games - just a shame it has that unfortunate footnote.
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Post by polly on Jul 16, 2020 18:22:44 GMT
Enlightenment - The DVD booklet claims this story is less than successful, but I've always thought it was an excellent conclusion to the trilogy. In fact, it might just be the best of the lot by a nose. I love the imagery of sailing ships among the stars. You can thank the Voyage of Earendil and Disney's Treasure Planet for sparking a young imagination there, I guess.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 18:36:59 GMT
Enlightenment - The DVD booklet claims this story is less than successful, but I've always thought it was an excellent conclusion to the trilogy. In fact, it might just be the best of the lot by a nose. I love the imagery of sailing ships among the stars. You can thank the Voyage of Earendil and Disney's Treasure Planet for sparking a young imagination there, I guess. Enlightenment is gorgeous!😊
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 16, 2020 20:49:20 GMT
Hello again.
Another vote from me for Enlightenment. Love it. Such hutzpah to attempt a ambitious story like this in the Eighties on a small budget. Great characters played by Keith Barron, Lynda Baron and Christopher Brown give great performances. The writer and director team of Barbara Clegg and Fiona Cummings produced a true classic of the Eighties. Certainly, along with Mawdryn the highlight of the rather disappointing anniversary season. Oh and when we were little we were yelling at Turlough to jump off the ship and were most disappointed when he didn't. We didn't like him at all. We wanted Nyssa back!
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Post by polly on Jul 16, 2020 22:23:09 GMT
Hello again. Another vote from me for Enlightenment. Love it. Such hutzpah to attempt a ambitious story like this in the Eighties on a small budget. Great characters played by Keith Barron, Lynda Baron and Christopher Brown give great performances. The writer and director team of Barbara Clegg and Fiona Cummings produced a true classic of the Eighties. Certainly, along with Mawdryn the highlight of the rather disappointing anniversary season. Oh and when we were little we were yelling at Turlough to jump off the ship and were most disappointed when he didn't. We didn't like him at all. We wanted Nyssa back! Hahaha, that's so mean! I'm quite fond of Turlough, but that's hilarious. I'd add Snakedance to the list of Season 20 successes, personally. I guess that makes it an even split out of the 6 stories... But that's one thing I've always appreciated about the classic series. They really don't have the budget for something like this. Yet, they try their best, and they make it work more often than not. That's more impressive to me than all the money in the world.
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Post by grinch on Jul 16, 2020 23:04:37 GMT
Enlightenment - The DVD booklet claims this story is less than successful, but I've always thought it was an excellent conclusion to the trilogy. In fact, it might just be the best of the lot by a nose. I love the imagery of sailing ships among the stars. You can thank the Voyage of Earendil and Disney's Treasure Planet for sparking a young imagination there, I guess. The booklet said that? Interesting. Personally, I always thought Enlightenment was the best of the trilogy. Certainly had more interesting ideas in it than the other two. Particularly the use of the Eternals and how they view ‘Ephemerals’ On another note, I still stand by the claim that Treasure Planet is an underrated classic.
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Post by melkur on Jul 16, 2020 23:34:51 GMT
Well, as I finished 'The Caves Of Androzani' last night that can mean only one thing. Siiiiiigh, anyone got a stiff drink I could have before making a start on 'The Twin Dilemma'?...
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 23:53:13 GMT
I finished the Silver Nemesis today, it was interesting 🤔 I can see why many regard Rembrance as the real anniversary special. What a strange combination of elements: Jazz, cybermen, Jacobian aristocrats, Windsor , and a random cameo by an old broadway star 🤔 Also the villain’s mentioning of knowing what the Doctor is takes new meaning after Timeless Children.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 17, 2020 0:56:12 GMT
Enlightenment - The DVD booklet claims this story is less than successful, but I've always thought it was an excellent conclusion to the trilogy. In fact, it might just be the best of the lot by a nose. I love the imagery of sailing ships among the stars. You can thank the Voyage of Earendil and Disney's Treasure Planet for sparking a young imagination there, I guess. It’s a fantastic story but a bit slower than usual and without a lot of action setpieces like other stories. The Eternals are a thing that you might get in the revived series more than the classic, I’ve always thought: I remember thinking that the metaphysical universe in Who must be really crowded, what with the Guardians, Toymaker, the Land of Fiction, Kronos, the Eternals and all that but modern Who can knock that out of the park!
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Post by polly on Jul 17, 2020 1:39:03 GMT
The booklet said that? Interesting. Personally, I always thought Enlightenment was the best of the trilogy. Certainly had more interesting ideas in it than the other two. Particularly the use of the Eternals and how they view ‘Ephemerals’ On another note, I still stand by the claim that Treasure Planet is an underrated classic. I see you are a man of taste when it comes to Disney. I went back and had a look at the booklet and what it actually says is that it's a "somewhat unsatisfactory conclusion" but has many other redeeming qualities. I still disagree, but that's not as harsh as I thought it was. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 1:45:54 GMT
Enlightenment - The DVD booklet claims this story is less than successful, but I've always thought it was an excellent conclusion to the trilogy. In fact, it might just be the best of the lot by a nose. I love the imagery of sailing ships among the stars. You can thank the Voyage of Earendil and Disney's Treasure Planet for sparking a young imagination there, I guess. It’s a fantastic story but a bit slower than usual and without a lot of action setpieces like other stories. The Eternals are a thing that you might get in the revived series more than the classic, I’ve always thought: I remember thinking that the metaphysical universe in Who must be really crowded, what with the Guardians, Toymaker, the Land of Fiction, Kronos, the Eternals and all that but modern Who can knock that out of the park! Those higher powers are fascinating in Who. A lot of them aren't working in concert with one another, it's all a chaotic fray of causal laws and personified principles. Some of which existed as a function of the universe since Event One (or before), but others that have only come into existence by the actions of civilisations like the Time Lords (e.g. without the Vortex, there wouldn't be Chronovores). I really like the idea that however high the steeple goes, there'll still be churchmice nesting in the loft. There's almost an ecosystem at work in the whole thing.
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Post by polly on Jul 17, 2020 1:54:53 GMT
It’s a fantastic story but a bit slower than usual and without a lot of action setpieces like other stories. The Eternals are a thing that you might get in the revived series more than the classic, I’ve always thought: I remember thinking that the metaphysical universe in Who must be really crowded, what with the Guardians, Toymaker, the Land of Fiction, Kronos, the Eternals and all that but modern Who can knock that out of the park! Those higher powers are fascinating in Who. A lot of them aren't working in concert with one another, it's all a chaotic fray of causal laws and personified principles. Some of which existed as a function of the universe since Event One (or before), but others that have only come into existence by the actions of civilisations like the Time Lords (e.g. without the Vortex, there wouldn't be Chronovores). I really like the idea that however high the steeple goes, there'll still be churchmice nesting in the loft. There's almost an ecosystem at work in the whole thing. It's for this reason I'm not opposed to Seven meeting Death in Master. There are so many cosmic entities already. I'd be curious to see sort of a ranking system for them.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 17, 2020 3:59:30 GMT
The booklet said that? Interesting. Personally, I always thought Enlightenment was the best of the trilogy. Certainly had more interesting ideas in it than the other two. Particularly the use of the Eternals and how they view ‘Ephemerals’ On another note, I still stand by the claim that Treasure Planet is an underrated classic. I see you are a man of taste when it comes to Disney. I went back and had a look at the booklet and what it actually says is that it's a "somewhat unsatisfactory conclusion" but has many other redeeming qualities. I still disagree, but that's not as harsh as I thought it was. My bad. Mawdryn has the Black Guardian AND the Brigadier, Terminus has the Black Guardian AND Nyssa leaving while Enlightenment just has the Black Guardian. But it’s still a great story.
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