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Post by polly on Jul 17, 2020 20:10:36 GMT
The King's Demons - Just plain crap. The Master's scheme is really more of a Monk thing by rights, and Kamelion should never have become an ongoing character - and he more or less didn't. Does he even do anything between now and Planet of Fire? I can't remember.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 17, 2020 22:28:20 GMT
The King's Demons - Just plain crap. The Master's scheme is really more of a Monk thing by rights, and Kamelion should never have become an ongoing character - and he more or less didn't. Does he even do anything between now and Planet of Fire? I can't remember. Not on TV anyway Regards mark687
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Post by grinch on Jul 18, 2020 9:05:14 GMT
Delta and the Bannermen (Malcolm Kohll)
Still just as silly as ever.
I predict it’s only a matter of time before Big Finish establish that Goronwy is either a renegade Time Lord who retired to ‘50s Wales to take up work as a beekeeper or an alternate future version of the Doctor.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 19, 2020 0:27:58 GMT
Delta and the Bannermen (Malcolm Kohll) Still just as silly as ever. I predict it’s only a matter of time before Big Finish establish that Goronwy is either a renegade Time Lord who retired to ‘50s Wales to take up work as a beekeeper or an alternate future version of the Doctor. I could cope with a Goronwy and Ray spin-off. It would make up for the fact that the producers went with Ace as the companion (I love Ace but Ray was a great character).
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Post by mrperson on Jul 19, 2020 23:41:41 GMT
One of the things I've been doing when I take over baby-care is rewatching New Who again.
The ending to "Last of the Time Lords" really rubbed me the wrong way, and did so in a way that encapsulates a lot of the gripes I had with RTD era generally. The sappy-ness mixed with grandiosity, the deux-ex-machina (not exclusive to his era) - I mean really, 'oh, so he worked out that if everyone said "Doctor" at the same time and thought of him it'd somehow undo the errm...aging thing? what? - that sort of thing.
But the episodes I loved were still great. (ie, 42, Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink). My enjoyment was only lessened by the fact that I tend to take him from ~9pm to somewhere to 2 and 4 am, so my wife can sleep....
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Post by constonks on Jul 20, 2020 2:23:15 GMT
The ending to "Last of the Time Lords" really rubbed me the wrong way(...) I didn't care for the resolution and ended up misremembering the whole trilogy, thinking that only Utopia was any good. But upon rewatching, I realized that, no, The Sound of Drums is pretty great too! Then it just dives right off a cliff and resolves with a fever dream plot packed full of more Christ imagery than the New Testament. But that's trilogies in New Who - first parts are great (Utopia, Extremis, Face the Raven, The Haunting of Villa Diodati), third parts usually don't land as well as they should. (I do think Journey's End lives up to the promise of Turn Left, though. Something to look forward to in your rewatch, mrperson?)
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Post by timegirl on Jul 20, 2020 2:41:43 GMT
One of the things I've been doing when I take over baby-care is rewatching New Who again. The ending to "Last of the Time Lords" really rubbed me the wrong way, and did so in a way that encapsulates a lot of the gripes I had with RTD era generally. The sappy-ness mixed with grandiosity, the deux-ex-machina (not exclusive to his era) - I mean really, 'oh, so he worked out that if everyone said "Doctor" at the same time and thought of him it'd somehow undo the errm...aging thing? what? - that sort of thing. But the episodes I loved were still great. (ie, 42, Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink). My enjoyment was only lessened by the fact that I tend to take him from ~9pm to somewhere to 2 and 4 am, so my wife can sleep.... The undoing the aging thing was bit ridiculous seeing Tennant becoming basically Tinkerbell with the whole “Doctor” thing all at the same time and glowy floaty sparkles🤔 out of curiosity how would you have resolved that plot point? I can see where RTD was coming with it being based around belief but it could have been handled better🤔
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 20, 2020 7:32:57 GMT
The ending to "Last of the Time Lords" really rubbed me the wrong way(...) I didn't care for the resolution and ended up misremembering the whole trilogy, thinking that only Utopia was any good. But upon rewatching, I realized that, no, The Sound of Drums is pretty great too! Then it just dives right off a cliff and resolves with a fever dream plot packed full of more Christ imagery than the New Testament.
But that's trilogies in New Who - first parts are great (Utopia, Extremis, Face the Raven, The Haunting of Villa Diodati), third parts usually don't land as well as they should. (I do think Journey's End lives up to the promise of Turn Left, though. Something to look forward to in your rewatch, mrperson ?) This is exactly why I hated this one, too. I just dislike showing the Doctor as "Space Jesus".
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 20, 2020 7:34:38 GMT
One of the things I've been doing when I take over baby-care is rewatching New Who again. The ending to "Last of the Time Lords" really rubbed me the wrong way, and did so in a way that encapsulates a lot of the gripes I had with RTD era generally. The sappy-ness mixed with grandiosity, the deux-ex-machina (not exclusive to his era) - I mean really, 'oh, so he worked out that if everyone said "Doctor" at the same time and thought of him it'd somehow undo the errm...aging thing? what? - that sort of thing. But the episodes I loved were still great. (ie, 42, Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink). My enjoyment was only lessened by the fact that I tend to take him from ~9pm to somewhere to 2 and 4 am, so my wife can sleep.... The undoing the aging thing was bit ridiculous seeing Tennant becoming basically Tinkerbell with the whole “Doctor” thing all at the same time and glowy floaty sparkles🤔 out of curiosity how would you have resolved that plot point? I can see where RTD was coming with it being based around belief but it could have been handled better🤔 Well, that fake regeneration thing worked well enough at a later time. Otherwise, always possible to use some timey-whimey thing as explanation. But Space Jesus? It just felt wrong to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 8:57:51 GMT
The undoing the aging thing was bit ridiculous seeing Tennant becoming basically Tinkerbell with the whole “Doctor” thing all at the same time and glowy floaty sparkles🤔 out of curiosity how would you have resolved that plot point? I can see where RTD was coming with it being based around belief but it could have been handled better🤔 Well, that fake regeneration thing worked well enough at a later time. Otherwise, always possible to use some timey-whimey thing as explanation. But Space Jesus? It just felt wrong to me.
The Space Jesus angle feels like a hand-me-down from the TV Movie (I did a three-episode reconstruction here, a couple days ago). There's more than a few moments of iconography there. The Eighth Doctor wandering around in a white shroud, the Master initially appearing as a serpent, etc. The most noticeable feels like the crown of thorns in the Cloister Room before the Doctor sacrifices his life. I'm not sure if it's there deliberately or if it's, like The Voyage Home additions (half-human lead adventuring around San Francisco), a homage, but it feels odd in the context of the character. I enjoy the "cosmic being" approach. The Doctor's a being that's gotten very good at passing for human and likely, at first, emulates a lot of those behaviours deliberately. For fun. It's more enjoyable being part of events than lording over them. After a while they become habit, but every so often, the facade slips. We get reminded that this is someone from a culture who can wind back civilisations to infancy as easily as a brass key in a grandfather clock. Something that might conjure up images of cosmic horrors and there's certainly a vein there, but the Doctor wins us over by being fundamentally benign. He/she doesn't have designs over us. They're a traveller, arriving, bathing in the local culture and departing. Getting perhaps a little too invested in local affairs for his own People's tastes, here and there, on the way. Bigger, but not lacking in kindness for it.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 22, 2020 17:53:07 GMT
Well, that fake regeneration thing worked well enough at a later time. Otherwise, always possible to use some timey-whimey thing as explanation. But Space Jesus? It just felt wrong to me.
The Space Jesus angle feels like a hand-me-down from the TV Movie (I did a three-episode reconstruction here, a couple days ago). There's more than a few moments of iconography there. The Eighth Doctor wandering around in a white shroud, the Master initially appearing as a serpent, etc. The most noticeable feels like the crown of thorns in the Cloister Room before the Doctor sacrifices his life. I'm not sure if it's there deliberately or if it's, like The Voyage Home additions (half-human lead adventuring around San Francisco), a homage, but it feels odd in the context of the character. I enjoy the "cosmic being" approach. The Doctor's a being that's gotten very good at passing for human and likely, at first, emulates a lot of those behaviours deliberately. For fun. It's more enjoyable being part of events than lording over them. After a while they become habit, but every so often, the facade slips. We get reminded that this is someone from a culture who can wind back civilisations to infancy as easily as a brass key in a grandfather clock. Something that might conjure up images of cosmic horrors and there's certainly a vein there, but the Doctor wins us over by being fundamentally benign. He/she doesn't have designs over us. They're a traveller, arriving, bathing in the local culture and departing. Getting perhaps a little too invested in local affairs for his own People's tastes, here and there, on the way. Bigger, but not lacking in kindness for it.This is exactly it. I am completely with you on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 15:22:17 GMT
I don't know whether to put this here or in the Blu Ray section, but I'm watching the 'Behind the Sofa' extras included in the Series 18 Blu Ray. I've watched the first three so far, and they're a riot! Janet Fielding and Wendy Padbury tearing lumps out of each other, with Sarah Sutton trying to keep the peace; Tom Baker, John Leeson and June Hudson are on the second 'sofa'. Watching these wonderful old stories through their eyes is such infectious good fun and heartily recommended. The thing that comes through, even through moments of laughter and gentle mockery, is the love they have for it all and the fondness on which they look back on their time with the show. It's interesting that throughout Full Circle, not one person has mentioned Adric!* They will in future, I'm sure. I'll be watching the rest tomorrow.
* {Spoiler} Actually, that isn't true. Tom's just said "Great. The dinosaur's got Adric." Apart from that, nothing!
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Post by polly on Jul 28, 2020 18:47:00 GMT
The Five Doctors - A heaping helping of fanservice but when it's your 20th birthday, a little indulgence is more than welcome. That and I can't get enough of that Rastan warrior robot demolishing the Cybermen. Great stuff.
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Post by melkur on Jul 29, 2020 1:52:58 GMT
Over the past couple of days I've been watching 'The Two Doctors'. I will say that my opinion of it does vary at times, but you know what? This time I liked it, this time I liked it...
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Post by timegirl on Jul 29, 2020 2:08:51 GMT
Over the past couple of days I've been watching 'The Two Doctors'. I will say that my opinion of it does vary at times, but you know what? This time I liked it, this time I liked it... The Two Doctors is brilliant guilty pleasure episode! Its got lovely filming in Spain, brilliant banter between 2 and 6, Shockeye, and sexy jacket-less 6 in his shirtsleeves and waistcoat 😁😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:44:21 GMT
More from the Series 18 Blu Ray, and Weekend with Waterhouse sees Toby Hadoke visiting Matthew and his husband in their truly idyllic seaside flat. Aside from Matthew's conviction that 'Nyssa and Tegan were never as interesting once Adric had left', which I found an odd thing to say, I really enjoyed spending time with these people. Friendly and outgoing, laid back and very contented, Matthew's reminiscences about the show and about Tom, Peter and Lalla, the stories, JNT and subsequently working for Big Finish are always interesting. I find myself pretty jealous, to be honest - a home bulging with books and DVDs, seafront and restaurants nearby and a jazz bar down the road: what more could anyone possibly want? And kudos to Toby for being a terrific guide.
Hanging by a Thread - the story of Logopolis. Now then: Christopher H Bidmead - unheralded genius or self-satisfied clever-clogs? Without wishing any disrespect, a bit of both, even after all this time. He was script editor during a volatile and fascinating period during Doctor Who's history. He is responsible for my favourite TV series, and some of the least interesting Big Finish audios. Whilst I delighted in hearing him cheer on Anthony Ainley and Janet Fielding, his continued annoyance with Tom Baker really ground my gears. Saying he 'threw away' the lines (lines which CHB is terribly proud of) is not fair - that's how Tom played The Doctor before and after. Chiding Tom for not looking at Ainley when The Doctor and The Master shook hands in Part Three's cliffhanger is unfair and quite odd, frankly. Two of the galaxy's greatest enemies are hardly going to hug each other! He's a wonderful contrast, is CHB - really quite smug concerning his own work and dismissive of anyone he feels doesn't respect it enough. That's how I see him; others may disagree.
Of the other contributors - they are terrific and genial and mostly very fond of their time on the show. Janet Fielding has something to say about her memories, and it is sad she feels she wasn't treated as well as she should have been. All in, this is another great feature among many great features. It is almost as if the extras on this Blu Ray will never end; for a Series 18 fan like me, that's no bad thing.
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Post by melkur on Jul 29, 2020 12:35:53 GMT
Over the past couple of days I've been watching 'The Two Doctors'. I will say that my opinion of it does vary at times, but you know what? This time I liked it, this time I liked it... The Two Doctors is brilliant guilty pleasure episode! Its got lovely filming in Spain, brilliant banter between 2 and 6, Shockeye, and sexy jacket-less 6 in his shirtsleeves and waistcoat 😁😉 Indeed. There are (of course) parts that I like, such as the 'attack on the space station' music, but at times it does feel a bit of a 'chore' to watch... On an unrelated note, tonight it's 'Timelash' part 1's turn
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Post by timegirl on Jul 29, 2020 12:41:52 GMT
The Two Doctors is brilliant guilty pleasure episode! Its got lovely filming in Spain, brilliant banter between 2 and 6, Shockeye, and sexy jacket-less 6 in his shirtsleeves and waistcoat 😁😉 Indeed. There are (of course) parts that I like, such as the 'attack on the space station' music, but at times it does feel a bit of a 'chore' to watch... On an unrelated note, tonight it's 'Timelash' part 1's turn [br I haven’t seen Timelash, I have heard it’s umm....interesting 🤔 😁
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Post by mark687 on Jul 29, 2020 12:58:17 GMT
Indeed. There are (of course) parts that I like, such as the 'attack on the space station' music, but at times it does feel a bit of a 'chore' to watch... On an unrelated note, tonight it's 'Timelash' part 1's turn [br I haven’t seen Timelash, I have heard it’s umm....interesting 🤔 😁 A mixed bag as they say IMO bits work well. bits work badly, snd other bits you've got to see to believe Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 29, 2020 16:48:16 GMT
The Mysterious Planet with audio commentary.
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