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Post by christmastrenzalore on Mar 17, 2016 16:18:04 GMT
Speaking personally, I haven't enjoyed the larger chunk of his tenure, and maybe if he stayed, I'd be so used to his writing tropes, it'd just irk me, and maybe intrude on Chibnall's new take on the show. But then I thought, maybe he was just stretching himself too thin as show-runner, and a good story is a good story. So I potentially wouldn't mind him contributing one story a Series like he did during RTD's era, as long as his writing wasn't intrusive in any way.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 17, 2016 16:28:02 GMT
I agree actually. If he came back and wrote one script/story for a season, then he could condense alot of his style into that. When he does he creates great stories like Blink and The Empty Child/Doctor Dances
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 17, 2016 18:56:30 GMT
I really hope he does continue writing for the show. It's annoying that Russell T Davies abandoned it completely; I'd have liked to have seen what an RTD story would have been like under the Moffat Era. Judging by Death of the Doctor, it would have been an episode to remember.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 17, 2016 20:19:46 GMT
I like Moffat best when he's writing for someone else, so I'd welcome it.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 17, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
If he restricts himself to single episodes, he seems far more likely to pull off a Blink, Heaven Sent, etc.
It's when he builds up these complicated arcs and then gets to the execution/conclusion that bothers me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 22:08:00 GMT
Coming from someone who's been rather unimpressed by his recent exploits, I'd be all for it. Steven Moffat isn't a bad writer, so much as a hack one. And I mean hack in the traditional sense: someone who is pumping out poor quality material written at a pace. When you stick him in the midst of an intensive schedule where you're releasing something like twelve episodes a season, managing writers and attempting to write your own stories on top of that, he flounders and you get stories like "Hell Bent" and "Let's Kill Hitler". However, if he had time to process his ideas and a bit of oversight from a competent script editor, he could return to producing really terrific stories.
He reminds me a little of Philip Martin actually. The man has terrific ideas, but there just needs to be someone tweaking his stories from on high to make them work. Actually speaking of Eighties Who, I'd almost be tempted to call the "good one-off writer, bad script editor" schtick Saward Syndrome, except that half the reason Vengeance on Varos holds up so well is down additions from both Saward and the actors in rehearsal.
Suffice to say, I think Moffat should be given a little time to recharge his batteries. Have him shortlisted for upcoming series and wait until the new era is firmly entrenched before bringing him in.
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Post by omega on Mar 17, 2016 22:19:56 GMT
He reminds me a little of Philip Martin actually. The man has terrific ideas, but there just needs to be someone tweaking his stories from on high to make them work. Actually speaking of Eighties Who, I'd almost be tempted to call the "good one-off writer, bad script editor" schtick Saward Syndrome, except that half the reason Vengeance on Varos holds up so well is down additions from both Saward and the actors in rehearsal. Vengeance on Varos also works because it's still relevant today. Sil represents the executives with one eye firmly on the profit margin and how best to use the people for their own ends. Even the sex appeal Jason Connery could be seen to represent is present in a lot of reality TV (and TV in general). If current trends continue, it'll still remain relevant. There's lots of programs that are torturous, and not just for the contestants. I do feel sorry for people trying to survive, find love, launch a singing career (how many X-Factor, Idol or Got Talent winners have had a good music career after the show, apart from one direction?) or lose weight on international television. At least staying on a cooking show requires people with a modicum of culinary talent and teaches you about cooking techniques.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 17, 2016 23:51:10 GMT
I have no view on whether Moffat can or should write none, one or many scripts for future series, what I want are good stories, where they come from is of little interest to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 2:57:40 GMT
I rate a lot of his stories from the Matt and Peter eras just as highly as his earlier classics so I don't think there's a mistake to correct. Regardless - it's his last year. Surely after 13 years of service the guy can do what he wants on his victory lap. I'll be sad to see him go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 3:36:07 GMT
Funny reading the Philip Martin chat above. While his Who stories were all a bit too similiar, the man's other work like Gangsters is just astounding. Total genius that was smashing the fourth wall in genre comedy years before shows like Moonlighting made it mainstream. Eric Saward, a passable hack at best, couldn't write it if he lived to be 1000.
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Post by agentten on Mar 18, 2016 5:10:47 GMT
I'd love for Moffat to continue to contribute to Who. Having a chance to write something that didn't have the weight of the whole show on it's back might allow him to try something daring.
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Post by omega on Mar 18, 2016 8:42:01 GMT
I'd love for Moffat to continue to contribute to Who. Having a chance to write something that didn't have the weight of the whole show on it's back might allow him to try something daring. If it'd allow him to explore and develop an interesting concept (gas mask zombies, statues that move when you aren't looking, living killer shadows etc), I'm all for it. Something Moffat has seemed to do since becoming showrunner is try to use too many interesting ideas, both for the episode itself and the overall arc. Especially where River Song is involved, there's more attention drawn to the arc elements like where in her tangled timeline the story takes place than what the episode by itself has to offer. He also seemed to try to be too clever, not always giving satisfactory conclusions to arcs he started.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 11:25:23 GMT
(how many X-Factor, Idol or Got Talent winners have had a good music career after the show, apart from one direction?) Olly Murs, JLS, Jedward (somehow), Amelia Lily, Fleur East, Alexandra Burke, Leona Lewis, Susan Boyle (somehow), Collabro, Shayne Ward (albeit more of an acting career), Joe McElderry (in West End musicals) and Ray Quinn (Ice-skating and West End/touring musicals), to name a few.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 11:28:01 GMT
I'd love for Moffat to continue to contribute to Who. Having a chance to write something that didn't have the weight of the whole show on it's back might allow him to try something daring. If it'd allow him to explore and develop an interesting concept (gas mask zombies, statues that move when you aren't looking, living killer shadows etc), I'm all for it. Something Moffat has seemed to do since becoming showrunner is try to use too many interesting ideas, both for the episode itself and the overall arc. Especially where River Song is involved, there's more attention drawn to the arc elements like where in her tangled timeline the story takes place than what the episode by itself has to offer. He also seemed to try to be too clever, not always giving satisfactory conclusions to arcs he started. I wish that at least just once he'd bring back Captain Jack instead of River Song. I don't want to see River return anymore, whereas I'm desperate to see Jack come back. John Barrowman should have been in Day of the Doctor IMO as he quickly became a big part of the show during the RTD Era.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 18, 2016 12:05:07 GMT
Coming from someone who's been rather unimpressed by his recent exploits, I'd be all for it. Steven Moffat isn't a bad writer, so much as a hack one. And I mean hack in the traditional sense: someone who is pumping out poor quality material written at a pace. When you stick him in the midst of an intensive schedule where you're releasing something like twelve episodes a season, managing writers and attempting to write your own stories on top of that, he flounders and you get stories like "Hell Bent" and "Let's Kill Hitler". However, if he had time to process his ideas and a bit of oversight from a competent script editor, he could return to producing really terrific stories. I agree with the majority of your opinion. However, Moffat isn't working on his own. Series 9 had two Executive Producers, four Series Producers and several Script Editors With the inconsistency of his own stories, he either doesn't delegate, or doesn't delegate enough!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 18, 2016 12:06:35 GMT
If it'd allow him to explore and develop an interesting concept (gas mask zombies, statues that move when you aren't looking, living killer shadows etc), I'm all for it. Something Moffat has seemed to do since becoming showrunner is try to use too many interesting ideas, both for the episode itself and the overall arc. Especially where River Song is involved, there's more attention drawn to the arc elements like where in her tangled timeline the story takes place than what the episode by itself has to offer. He also seemed to try to be too clever, not always giving satisfactory conclusions to arcs he started. I wish that at least just once he'd bring back Captain Jack instead of River Song. I don't want to see River return anymore, whereas I'm desperate to see Jack come back. John Barrowman should have been in Day of the Doctor IMO as he quickly became a big part of the show during the RTD Era. Why? Why should John Barrowman have been in DOTD?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 12:11:13 GMT
I wish that at least just once he'd bring back Captain Jack instead of River Song. I don't want to see River return anymore, whereas I'm desperate to see Jack come back. John Barrowman should have been in Day of the Doctor IMO as he quickly became a big part of the show during the RTD Era. Why? Why should John Barrowman have been in DOTD? He's a hugely popular fan-favourite character and would have made for a more interesting inclusion than Kate Stewart. Whilst I like UNIT, I think they could have easily swapped it for Torchwood explaining Jack's inclusion and replaced Osgood with old companions of the Doctor now working for them. Would have been nice for them to say that the Doctor's old companions don't just stop helping the Doctor when they're no longer travelling with him but continue to fight when he's not there in his name (as they did with Sarah Jane in School Reunion and the RTD Era companions in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End).
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 18, 2016 12:38:45 GMT
Sometimes a characters story is finished. Then again, Moffat may not be a fan of Capt Jack or Barrowman. He prefers to use his own characters, again and again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 12:45:41 GMT
Sometimes a characters story is finished. Then again, Moffat may not be a fan of Capt Jack or Barrowman. He prefers to use his own characters, again and again! Yeah, best to let sleeping dogs lie eh? Like RTD did with Rose and Martha. Wait...
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Post by bobod on Mar 18, 2016 12:49:17 GMT
Why? Why should John Barrowman have been in DOTD? He's a hugely popular fan-favourite character and would have made for a more interesting inclusion than Kate Stewart. Whilst I like UNIT, I think they could have easily swapped it for Torchwood explaining Jack's inclusion and replaced Osgood with old companions of the Doctor now working for them. Would have been nice for them to say that the Doctor's old companions don't just stop helping the Doctor when they're no longer travelling with him but continue to fight when he's not there in his name (as they did with Sarah Jane in School Reunion and the RTD Era companions in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End). I preferred it as it was.
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