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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 13:46:46 GMT
Why? Why should John Barrowman have been in DOTD? He's a hugely popular fan-favourite character and would have made for a more interesting inclusion than Kate Stewart. Whilst I like UNIT, I think they could have easily swapped it for Torchwood explaining Jack's inclusion and replaced Osgood with old companions of the Doctor now working for them. Would have been nice for them to say that the Doctor's old companions don't just stop helping the Doctor when they're no longer travelling with him but continue to fight when he's not there in his name (as they did with Sarah Jane in School Reunion and the RTD Era companions in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End). I can't remember who originally suggested it, but I think he missed a trick by not putting William Russell in as the Moment. You could tie in the idea of him looking physically older with the Doctor having visited him at the beginning of the story to check up on Clara at Coal Hill.
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Post by bobod on Mar 18, 2016 13:51:58 GMT
Of all the things I wouldn't want to lose from Day of the Doctor, top would be that performance from Billie. She was great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:04:51 GMT
I think being the person who ran into the class at the start to say Clara was wanted would have been the best use of Ian, if he was to be there. Fans would know but new series and casual viewers wouldn't feel they were missing something. You couldn't have William Russell in a role as crucial as The Moment. Almost all your 2013 audience have no idea who Ian is and more than a few would wonder why Rita's dead husband from Corrie is so important all of a sudden.
There's precisely one massively iconic Who figure from the classic series the audience at large knows and that's the one they used - Tom Baker. There's a reason things like The 5ish Doctors and An Adventure In..were made. That's where we as old school fans got "our" classic series fanlove.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 14:21:15 GMT
He's a hugely popular fan-favourite character and would have made for a more interesting inclusion than Kate Stewart. Whilst I like UNIT, I think they could have easily swapped it for Torchwood explaining Jack's inclusion and replaced Osgood with old companions of the Doctor now working for them. Would have been nice for them to say that the Doctor's old companions don't just stop helping the Doctor when they're no longer travelling with him but continue to fight when he's not there in his name (as they did with Sarah Jane in School Reunion and the RTD Era companions in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End). I can't remember who originally suggested it, but I think he missed a trick by not putting William Russell in as the Moment. You could tie in the idea of him looking physically older with the Doctor having visited him at the beginning of the story to check up on Clara at Coal Hill. Shame they didn't do that. Billie Piper could still have appeared anyway if David Tennant had played a Series 2 10th Doctor instead.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 14:22:09 GMT
I think being the person who ran into the class at the start to say Clara was wanted would have been the best use of Ian, if he was to be there. Fans would know but new series and casual viewers wouldn't feel they were missing something. You couldn't have William Russell in a role as crucial as The Moment. Almost all your 2013 audience have no idea who Ian is and more than a few would wonder why Rita's dead husband from Corrie is so important all of a sudden. Who cares? Anniversaries are for the fans, not the casual viewers.
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Post by bobod on Mar 18, 2016 14:33:06 GMT
I think being the person who ran into the class at the start to say Clara was wanted would have been the best use of Ian, if he was to be there. Fans would know but new series and casual viewers wouldn't feel they were missing something. You couldn't have William Russell in a role as crucial as The Moment. Almost all your 2013 audience have no idea who Ian is and more than a few would wonder why Rita's dead husband from Corrie is so important all of a sudden. Who cares? Anniversaries are for the fans, not the casual viewers. Anyone who understands how television works cares.
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Post by bobod on Mar 18, 2016 14:34:29 GMT
I can't remember who originally suggested it, but I think he missed a trick by not putting William Russell in as the Moment. You could tie in the idea of him looking physically older with the Doctor having visited him at the beginning of the story to check up on Clara at Coal Hill. Shame they didn't do that. Billie Piper could still have appeared anyway if David Tennant had played a Series 2 10th Doctor instead. Which - as fine as that would have been - would be less interesting than her playing the Moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:38:05 GMT
I think being the person who ran into the class at the start to say Clara was wanted would have been the best use of Ian, if he was to be there. Fans would know but new series and casual viewers wouldn't feel they were missing something. You couldn't have William Russell in a role as crucial as The Moment. Almost all your 2013 audience have no idea who Ian is and more than a few would wonder why Rita's dead husband from Corrie is so important all of a sudden. Who cares? Anniversaries are for the fans, not the casual viewers. You're actually proud of being ignorant, aren't you?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 14:42:42 GMT
Shame they didn't do that. Billie Piper could still have appeared anyway if David Tennant had played a Series 2 10th Doctor instead. Which - as fine as that would have been - would be less interesting than her playing the Moment. You'd still have the Moment though, just a different companion in her place.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 14:44:02 GMT
Who cares? Anniversaries are for the fans, not the casual viewers. You're actually proud of being ignorant, aren't you? If a new viewer tries watching from an anniversary special, they're already making an odd choice of a jumping-on place and a casual viewer shouldn't watch an anniversary special of anything without expecting nods to the past and returning characters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:16:38 GMT
Who cares? Anniversaries are for the fans, not the casual viewers. You're actually proud of being ignorant, aren't you? now now. I think he's got a point actually, anniversaries are for fans, not for the general public. However, the simple fact is there's no way William would have been able to play the moment and Billy was spectacular as it - definitely the highlight of her time on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:35:05 GMT
You're actually proud of being ignorant, aren't you? now now. I think he's got a point actually, anniversaries are for fans, not for the general public. When I post something rational and get "who cares?" as a response, I'll post in kind, thanks. The 50th was not just for fans. If they were, the ratings wouldn't have been demonstrably higher than at any point during the Moffat era. That's rather obvious. Even your casual viewer like my mum watched it to see what all the fuss was about and I don't think she's watched since the days of 3 channels. Millions of people watched it who don't normally. That's cold, hard, fact that we can see in the figures so where you both get this fan-focus notion from is beyond me. You are confusing "will have easter eggs for fans to pick up" and being "exclusively" for fans. If Moffat had said "anniversaries are for fans, not for the general public", he'd have been pilloried and rightly so. As Bobod said above - it's how television works. You know what was for fans? The McGann minisode. The 5ish Doctors. They were for fans. Light At The End, that was for fans. The 50th was for as big an audience as possible fan or casual alike. The show tried to appeal only to fans before. It ended up going off TV for 16 years.
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Post by aztec on Mar 18, 2016 15:55:19 GMT
I think being the person who ran into the class at the start to say Clara was wanted would have been the best use of Ian, if he was to be there. Fans would know but new series and casual viewers wouldn't feel they were missing something. You couldn't have William Russell in a role as crucial as The Moment. Almost all your 2013 audience have no idea who Ian is and more than a few would wonder why Rita's dead husband from Corrie is so important all of a sudden. There's precisely one massively iconic Who figure from the classic series the audience at large knows and that's the one they used - Tom Baker. There's a reason things like The 5ish Doctors and An Adventure In..were made. That's where we as old school fans got "our" classic series fanlove. In retrospect I wonder if the teacher who ran into to talk to Clara could have been Danny instead? With the sudden jump to Clara being a teacher in DOTD it may have helped to make Clara/Danny's relationship in series 8 more believable if DOTD implied they had known each other for longer... Personally I always liked the idea that the moment took the form of Davison, Colin and Mcoy as they were now as war ravaged 'ghosts' of the 5-7th Doctors instead of Piper returning (not that I don't like Billie she was great as the moment) just write in some technobabble about the timelines etc, I'd also be tempted to film a few blurred shots of David Bradley as the 1st Doctor in the background of the tardis when it temporarily shorted into the 1st Doctor's tardis, and slightly extended NOTD as a pre-credits sequence...
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Post by aztec on Mar 18, 2016 16:09:39 GMT
To answer the original question...honestly, I'm not sure, over the past 13 years Moffat has contributed a huge amount to Who's success worldwide, and although his scripts as Showrunner haven't (i.m.o) generally been as a high quality as his ones from 2005-8 (though that's probably mainly due to the schedules/budget pressures, or increased freedom he has to deal with as showrunner) I'll sad to see him cut ties with the show completely, but it may do the show some good to get some new regular writers in, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat wants to do a RTD and remove himself from the franchise so he can enjoy it from a neutral fan's perspective in the future, he certainly deserves a break.
I suppose it just depends on how Chibnall's first series turns out...
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Post by bobod on Mar 18, 2016 20:15:55 GMT
Which - as fine as that would have been - would be less interesting than her playing the Moment. You'd still have the Moment though, just a different companion in her place. Sure, but the point I'm making is I loved Billie AS the Moment - not just that I loved the fact that Billie was in the special.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 18, 2016 20:51:57 GMT
You'd still have the Moment though, just a different companion in her place. Sure, but the point I'm making is I loved Billie AS the Moment - not just that I loved the fact that Billie was in the special. She was great as the Moment but she was equally as great as Rose Tyler IMO too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 22:53:00 GMT
Ah, well... I'll just have to content myself with the Hunters of the Burning Stone comic. That to me rang more like something to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary than DOTD did, but that's just my opinion though. I am never against more Ian and Barbara, it brought back the original cavemen from An Unearthly Child in a fascinating new way and its explanation for why the chameleon circuit initially broke managed to do the Moffat temporal paradox where an important bit of history is rewritten without making it painful. It added to the mythos, rather than subtracted from it. Anyone who felt a little put out or unsatisfied with DOTD, I'd recommend Hunters through and through.
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Post by omega on Mar 18, 2016 23:59:29 GMT
Ah, well... I'll just have to content myself with the Hunters of the Burning Stone comic. That to me rang more like something to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary than DOTD did, but that's just my opinion though. I am never against more Ian and Barbara, it brought back the original cavemen from An Unearthly Child in a fascinating new way and its explanation for why the chameleon circuit initially broke managed to do the Moffat temporal paradox where an important bit of history is rewritten without making it painful. It added to the mythos, rather than subtracted from it. Anyone who felt a little put out or unsatisfied with DOTD, I'd recommend Hunters through and through. It also concludes an arc that had been running since Chains of Olympus. The stories in that run are in the Chains of Olympus and Hunters of the Burning Stone graphic novels, so there's commentary by the writers and artists included, and Chains of Olympus has the final Amy and Rory DWM strip, a rather touching Christmas story with Mels as well.
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Post by relativetime on Mar 19, 2016 0:47:23 GMT
I really hope he decides to stay involved with Doctor Who in some shape or form - he's easily my favorite writer in NuWho and my favorite showrunner, which I know is a controversial opinion. Maybe returning to write a story every series is a bit too much to ask for, but at least the odd episode or two every couple of seasons would be great.
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Post by bobod on Mar 19, 2016 1:29:48 GMT
Sure, but the point I'm making is I loved Billie AS the Moment - not just that I loved the fact that Billie was in the special. She was great as the Moment but she was equally as great as Rose Tyler IMO too. Yes, she was. But I'd seen that - this was something new. And I appreciated the difference.
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