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Post by brians on Apr 13, 2016 7:02:14 GMT
Hi billy2, I've made some adjustments to your timeline here: View AttachmentThe early NA novels, the first Klein trilogy, and the New Benny adventures have been moved around. Everything else is more or less the same. Feedback is more than welcome, especially in regard to audios released post-2010; I'm still catching up. EDIT: Bear in mind I'm just suggesting this as an alternative. Feel free to keep your timeline as it is. Keep up the good work. Lovely piece of work, especially around Ace's timeline where I really like the sequencing you've come up with. Not so sure about your placing of a gap o allow the first Klein trilogy. I'd be intrigued to hear your reasoning for not just putting it post Lungbarrow.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 13, 2016 7:52:06 GMT
Hi billy2, I've made some adjustments to your timeline here: The early NA novels, the first Klein trilogy, and the New Benny adventures have been moved around. Everything else is more or less the same. Feedback is more than welcome, especially in regard to audios released post-2010; I'm still catching up. EDIT: Bear in mind I'm just suggesting this as an alternative. Feel free to keep your timeline as it is. Keep up the good work. Hello elgranto!
Thanks for your suggestions in your alternative timeline. I greatly appreciate them. I've amended my timeline to more or less the things you've suggested. I can always change them later on if I find a placement I don't agree with. I'll have to get round to reading some of the NA books someday.
One thing though. I've placed the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield audios after the NAs with Chris Cwej as I felt they should take place a while after the Doctor parted company with Benny and since the NAs of Benny are more recent compared to the NA books in the 90s, I makes senses.
Thanks.
Tim. 
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Post by elgranto on Apr 13, 2016 17:21:48 GMT
Hi billy2, I've made some adjustments to your timeline here: The early NA novels, the first Klein trilogy, and the New Benny adventures have been moved around. Everything else is more or less the same. Feedback is more than welcome, especially in regard to audios released post-2010; I'm still catching up. EDIT: Bear in mind I'm just suggesting this as an alternative. Feel free to keep your timeline as it is. Keep up the good work. One thing though. I've placed the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield audios after the NAs with Chris Cwej as I felt they should take place a while after the Doctor parted company with Benny and since the NAs of Benny are more recent compared to the NA books in the 90s, I makes senses. Fair enough. Placing them immediately after Happy Endings never felt quite right anyways. My reasoning for placing them in the midst of his adventures with Chris and Roz had mainly to do with Seven's linen suit. He apparently goes tweed (ie. TV Movie) in So Vile a Sin, so I wanted to place the New Bennys in a time before that novel to reflect his appearance as shown on the cover of the boxsets. With that said, BF have been fairly inconsistent with how Seven has been depicted on the covers of releases set during the late-NA, pre-TV Movie eras. A post- Lungbarrow placement works just as well.
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Post by elgranto on Apr 13, 2016 17:27:14 GMT
Hi billy2, I've made some adjustments to your timeline here: The early NA novels, the first Klein trilogy, and the New Benny adventures have been moved around. Everything else is more or less the same. Feedback is more than welcome, especially in regard to audios released post-2010; I'm still catching up. EDIT: Bear in mind I'm just suggesting this as an alternative. Feel free to keep your timeline as it is. Keep up the good work. Lovely piece of work, especially around Ace's timeline where I really like the sequencing you've come up with. Not so sure about your placing of a gap o allow the first Klein trilogy. I'd be intrigued to hear your reasoning for not just putting it post Lungbarrow. Credit for that placement goes to E.G. Wolverson over at History of the Doctor. He explains himself here: A Thousand Tiny Wings
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Post by constonks on Apr 13, 2016 18:07:12 GMT
I like that placement for Klein's stories before The Dark Flame, but I will say it seems wrong to me to put The Prisoner's Dilemma in that slot, given that that audio directly references Happy Endings, which hasn't happened yet for Ace.
I instead explain the absence of Ace and Benny by placing the Klein stories simultaneous to their mission for the Doctor in The Last Emperor from Short Trips: 2040.
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Post by elgranto on Apr 14, 2016 7:08:51 GMT
I like that placement for Klein's stories before The Dark Flame, but I will say it seems wrong to me to put The Prisoner's Dilemma in that slot, given that that audio directly references Happy Endings, which hasn't happened yet for Ace. I instead explain the absence of Ace and Benny by placing the Klein stories simultaneous to their mission for the Doctor in The Last Emperor from Short Trips: 2040. Ah, in that case The Prisoner's Dilemma should be moved elsewhere.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 14, 2016 8:21:32 GMT
I like that placement for Klein's stories before The Dark Flame, but I will say it seems wrong to me to put The Prisoner's Dilemma in that slot, given that that audio directly references Happy Endings, which hasn't happened yet for Ace. I instead explain the absence of Ace and Benny by placing the Klein stories simultaneous to their mission for the Doctor in The Last Emperor from Short Trips: 2040. Ah, in that case The Prisoner's Dilemma should be moved elsewhere. I've not put for now 'The Prisoner's Dilemma' in the 'New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield' section since it makes sense to put it when the Doctor and Ace reunite with Benny in those stories.
I've also added 'Death Comes To Time' in the section. I know it's not regarded highly as cannon, but it seems to make sense to put it in after 'Prisoner's Dilemma', unless anyone wishes to object.
Thanks for these suggestions, guys. Greatly appreciate them. Tim. 
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Post by elgranto on Apr 17, 2016 7:09:36 GMT
I noticed after listening to The Four Doctors again that the Seventh Doctor doesn't recognize his Eighth incarnation when the four of them are together by the end of the story. In light of this detail I'd be tempted to move The Four Doctors to somewhere before The Shadow of the Scourge since in that story he's well aware of the Eighth Doctor's appearance. It would have to be during a time when he's traveling alone of course.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 17, 2016 7:47:47 GMT
I noticed after listening to The Four Doctors again that the Seventh Doctor doesn't recognize his Eighth incarnation when the four of them are together by the end of the story. In light of this detail I'd be tempted to move The Four Doctors to somewhere before The Shadow of the Scourge since in that story he's well aware of the Eighth Doctor's appearance. It would have to be during a time when he's traveling alone of course. According to 'eyespider', 'The Four Doctors' is placed during his early period of travelling alone in the comics before 'Battlefield'. For the sake of argument, I'll re-place 'The Four Doctors' before 'The Defectors' in the timeline. Thanks. Tim. 
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Post by elgranto on May 21, 2016 18:59:45 GMT
I've had second thoughts about the placement of the first Klein trilogy. In keeping with the production codes I've moved them back into Seven's "solo years" after Lungbarrow. I've also sandwiched The Prisoner's Dilemna between the first two volumes of Benny's new adventures. The Seventh Doctors Timeline.pdf (122.8 KB)
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 21, 2016 21:36:15 GMT
I've had second thoughts about the placement of the first Klein trilogy. In keeping with the production codes I've moved them back into Seven's "solo years" after Lungbarrow. I've also sandwiched The Prisoner's Dilemna between the first two volumes of Benny's new adventures. Hi elgranto. I've amended my timeline according to what you suggested about the first Klein trilogy and 'The Prisoner's Dilemma' for now. Thanks. Tim. 
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Post by elgranto on May 30, 2016 7:27:14 GMT
After reading the DiscContinuity page for Excelis Decays, I've become convinced that the story should be placed directly before The Settling to account for the TARDIS console room taking on it's "TV Movie" appearance. Also, I've been thinking about the placement of UNIT: Dominion. Apparently Nick Briggs said somewhere that it's meant to take place near the end of Seven's life, but just what he means by that statement is open to interpretation: Does he mean that Dominion is set fairly close to the TV Movie, or more generally in that period of time where the Doctor's normally traveling by himself? Being that I like the idea of Seven being alone for that long period of time leading up to his regeneration, as the Eighth Doctor claimed in The Resurrection of Mars (the second Klein trilogy being an exception to this), I'm tempted to move UNIT: Dominion to just after the New Benny Adventures and prior to his long solo outings. I've made all the adjustments here: The Seventh Doctors Timeline.pdf (122.78 KB)
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Post by elgranto on May 30, 2016 16:44:06 GMT
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 10, 2017 1:23:05 GMT
I very much disagree on placing Dimensions in Time as a dream. It's a rather vague reference, and I don't believe in the idea of stories trying to remove other stories from continuity.
In addition, there's almost no room between Survival and Timewyrm: Genesys. There's a few excursions at most. The first thing that Ace remembers after the Doctor restores her memories is Survival, and she still is feeling some of the effects of the cheetah virus. I would only place Citadel of Dreams between the two. The Algebra of Ice needs to be moved way back - between Fenric and Survival, with the very last few chapters being a flashforward - at the end, the Seventh Doctor and Ace visit Ethan again. Seven says it's been more than twenty months, from their perspective, since they last met. He mentions his last adventure as taking place both on the Moon and in his own mind - so this part is definitely just after Timewyrm: Revelation.
So my post-Survival timeline, with explanations, is:
Citadel of Dreams Timewyrm tetralogy The Algebra of Ice - last few chapters The Hollow Men - The Doctor has a note for himself saying to leave a settee for his past self to land on in Perivale, so after Survival. Weirdly enough, though, the back cover says it's between Fenric and Survival. Which makes no sense. Atom Bomb Blues Shockwave Teenage Kicks Fellow Travellers That untitled Brief Encounter that has Ian and Barbara Darkness, Falling The Mark of Mandragora The Raine Lost Stories The Girl Who Stole the Stars Dimensions in Time Storm in a Tikka Search Out Space - Storm in a Tikka links the two, and makes explicit that there's no room for any adventures in between. These have to be together. Dalek Attack - One of the early video games. This one also has the Second and Fourth Doctors. Some of the Seven and Ace stuff from various anthologies Legacy - A mobile game that's surprisingly complicated. The BBV Professor/Dominie and Ace/Alice audios. Under Pressure Party Animals Connections - This is an interesting one. It's actually spread out over the twelve issues of The Incomplete Death's Head, and serves as the framing device for the reprints. It starts off running concurrently with Seven and Ace at the party during Party Animals, with the story taking place elsewhere on Maruthea. Then after the events of Party Animals concludes, Seven shows up and helps the two iterations of Death's Head beat Hob. Afterwards, it's implied that Seven takes the unconscious Death's Head I to the Transformers universe, enlarges him...and then Death's Head lives through all that. Or maybe he took Death's Head I to the Transformers universe already. I don't know. The Chameleon Factor Seaside Rendezvous The Good Soldier A Glitch in Time Evening's Empire That one Brief Encounter where Seven and Ace meet Duggan The Grief Forever Fallen Stop the Pigeon The Fearmonger
Afterwards, there's a story arc across Perry and Tucker's stuff. It has to be in the order of Illegal Alien - Matrix - Storm Harvest - The Genocide Machine - Prime Time - Heritage - Loving the Alien. There's no room for stories between any of the ones in this arc.
Afterwards, the main range Seven and Ace stuff, from Dust Breeding to The Rapture, then Hex, then Mel.
Afterwards, this is when we get back to the New Adventures, with Mel leaving again in a yet to be announced story and then the Cat's Cradle arc onwards comes after Mel. Putting Hex and Mel here helps explain nicely why Ace acts so differently in the Cat's Cradle arc to how she acted in the Timewyrm arc.
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Post by dutchwhovian on May 25, 2017 12:19:32 GMT
I have my own theory about the Timeline of the Seventh Doctor
Mel (TV Time and the Rani-Dragonfire) Ace (TV Dragonfire-Survival) Ace and Raine (The Lost Stories) Ace and the Timewyrm (Timewyrm saga) Ace (Fairmonger-The Rapture+ bbc novels) Ace and Hex (the Harvast-Lurkers at the sunlight edge) Alone in the Black Tardis meeting Liv and Sally (Robophobia-House of Blue Fire) Ace, Hex, Lysandra and Sally in the white Tardis begins in Angel of Scutari(Protect and Survive-Gods and Monsters) Ace and "Hector" (Afterlife-Signs and Wonders) Ace further travels (Cats cradle saga- You Are the Doctor-Nightshade) Ace and return of Mel (A Life of Crime-?) Ace first departure in Love and War Benny (Love and War-The Pit) Benny and the new "Ace" (Deceit-Set Piece Ace's second departure) Benny (Infinite Requiem-Human Nature) Benny, Chris and Roz (Original Sin-Happy Endings) Chris and Roz (GodEngine-So Vile a Sin) Chris (Bad Therpy-Lungbarrow) Klein from "Colditz" returns (A Thousand tiny Wings-Architechts of History) Return of Benny and Ace (New Addventure of Bernice Summerfierld 1&2) Klein and Reine (UNIT Dominion) Klein and Will (Persuation-Daleks Among us) Alone (Exelis Decays-The Two Masters) Regenaration the tv Movie
I hope this is the most plausible. I dont realy kwo whery can place the Comic books with Frobisher and Abslom Daak. But it is placed before the novel Deceat.
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Post by elgranto on Feb 6, 2018 2:42:37 GMT
Having just listened to Original Sin I noticed something odd. The sound effects for the TARDIS control room are those of the TV Movie TARDIS used in the Eighth Doctor audios and in the Seven/Ace/Hex stories starting with The Settling. The Seventh Doctor novel adaptations set earlier in time chronologically ( Nightshade, Love and War, The Highest Science, Theatre of War, and All-Consuming Fire in that order) have the control room in it's ClassicWho configuration based on the sound effects used in most of those releases. Until now I had assumed, based on the sounds of the control room and the fact that Damaged Goods didn't feature any scenes inside the TARDIS, that all of the Seventh Doctor releases in the Novel Adaptations range could fit in the pre-Hex period of the timeline, but Original Sin contradicts this placement with the TARDIS in it's pseudo-Victorian "desktop theme," which would suggest a placement after the current run of Seven releases in the Monthly Range. Given the tight continuity of the VNAs I'm having trouble reconciling this discrepancy. Could this simply be a continuity error on part of BF? Has anyone reading this listened to Cold Fusion? I haven't got around to it yet but if there are any scenes set in Seven's TARDIS, and the control room is distinctly TV Movie (the sound of the doors opening/closing is a big giveaway), then we've got quite a mess on our hands!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 8:51:52 GMT
Having just listened to Original Sin I noticed something odd. The sound effects for the TARDIS control room are those of the TV Movie TARDIS used in the Eighth Doctor audios and in the Seven/Ace/Hex stories starting with The Settling. The Seventh Doctor novel adaptations set earlier in time chronologically ( Nightshade, Love and War, The Highest Science, Theatre of War, and All-Consuming Fire in that order) have the control room in it's ClassicWho configuration based on the sound effects used in most of those releases. Until now I had assumed, based on the sounds of the control room and the fact that Damaged Goods didn't feature any scenes inside the TARDIS, that all of the Seventh Doctor releases in the Novel Adaptations range could fit in the pre-Hex period of the timeline, but Original Sin contradicts this placement with the TARDIS in it's pseudo-Victorian "desktop theme," which would suggest a placement after the current run of Seven releases in the Monthly Range. Given the tight continuity of the VNAs I'm having trouble reconciling this discrepancy. Could this simply be a continuity error on part of BF? Has anyone reading this listened to Cold Fusion? I haven't got around to it yet but if there are any scenes set in Seven's TARDIS, and the control room is distinctly TV Movie (the sound of the doors opening/closing is a big giveaway), then we've got quite a mess on our hands! Wait until I tell you that by Original Sin it's not actually his original TARDIS, but a reconfigured alternate version from his dead Third self... It might be halfway between the two. On its way to becoming the TVM, but still retaining some features of the old pewter grey console room. Either that or a gaffe like you said, the Sixth Doctor's TARDIS in The Behemoth sounds an awful lot like the one used by his fourth incarnation (circa his travels with Leela).
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Post by elgranto on Feb 8, 2018 17:46:09 GMT
Having just listened to Original Sin I noticed something odd. The sound effects for the TARDIS control room are those of the TV Movie TARDIS used in the Eighth Doctor audios and in the Seven/Ace/Hex stories starting with The Settling. The Seventh Doctor novel adaptations set earlier in time chronologically ( Nightshade, Love and War, The Highest Science, Theatre of War, and All-Consuming Fire in that order) have the control room in it's ClassicWho configuration based on the sound effects used in most of those releases. Until now I had assumed, based on the sounds of the control room and the fact that Damaged Goods didn't feature any scenes inside the TARDIS, that all of the Seventh Doctor releases in the Novel Adaptations range could fit in the pre-Hex period of the timeline, but Original Sin contradicts this placement with the TARDIS in it's pseudo-Victorian "desktop theme," which would suggest a placement after the current run of Seven releases in the Monthly Range. Given the tight continuity of the VNAs I'm having trouble reconciling this discrepancy. Could this simply be a continuity error on part of BF? Has anyone reading this listened to Cold Fusion? I haven't got around to it yet but if there are any scenes set in Seven's TARDIS, and the control room is distinctly TV Movie (the sound of the doors opening/closing is a big giveaway), then we've got quite a mess on our hands! Wait until I tell you that by Original Sin it's not actually his original TARDIS, but a reconfigured alternate version from his dead Third self... It might be halfway between the two. On its way to becoming the TVM, but still retaining some features of the old pewter grey console room. Either that or a gaffe like you said, the Sixth Doctor's TARDIS in The Behemoth sounds an awful lot like the one used by his fourth incarnation (circa his travels with Leela). Having searched through The Harvest again just now, the TARDIS definitely has that ClassicWho "hum" sound. I couldn't find a moment of the doors opening/closing, mind you, but it sounds pretty clear based on the relative lack of echo that the control room is not in a transitional stage as it were. I'm beginning to think the sound effects in Original Sin might have just been a gaffe since, if what you said about The Behemoth is true, it wouldn't be the first time BF has made that kind of error. Hopefully Cold Fusion can shed some light on whether the choice of sound was deliberate or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 22:51:49 GMT
Wait until I tell you that by Original Sin it's not actually his original TARDIS, but a reconfigured alternate version from his dead Third self... It might be halfway between the two. On its way to becoming the TVM, but still retaining some features of the old pewter grey console room. Either that or a gaffe like you said, the Sixth Doctor's TARDIS in The Behemoth sounds an awful lot like the one used by his fourth incarnation (circa his travels with Leela). Having searched through The Harvest again just now, the TARDIS definitely has that ClassicWho "hum" sound. I couldn't find a moment of the doors opening/closing, mind you, but it sounds pretty clear based on the relative lack of echo that the control room is not in a transitional stage as it were. I'm beginning to think the sound effects in Original Sin might have just been a gaffe since, if what you said about The Behemoth is true, it wouldn't be the first time BF has made that kind of error. Hopefully Cold Fusion can shed some light on whether the choice of sound was deliberate or not. I can definitely say that the book used what sounded like a variation on the old grey console room with a few adjustments ( something like this according to the comics), so it probably is. Mind you, the Doctor isn't above using one of the other console rooms ( secondary or tertiary) when he's in the mood. Either way, I hope you enjoy Cold Fusion. It's a little confusing in places, but otherwise a terrific story and a terrific adaptation.
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Post by elgranto on Feb 9, 2018 6:28:27 GMT
Having searched through The Harvest again just now, the TARDIS definitely has that ClassicWho "hum" sound. I couldn't find a moment of the doors opening/closing, mind you, but it sounds pretty clear based on the relative lack of echo that the control room is not in a transitional stage as it were. I'm beginning to think the sound effects in Original Sin might have just been a gaffe since, if what you said about The Behemoth is true, it wouldn't be the first time BF has made that kind of error. Hopefully Cold Fusion can shed some light on whether the choice of sound was deliberate or not. I can definitely say that the book used what sounded like a variation on the old grey console room with a few adjustments ( something like this according to the comics), so it probably is. Mind you, the Doctor isn't above using one of the other console rooms ( secondary or tertiary) when he's in the mood. Either way, I hope you enjoy Cold Fusion. It's a little confusing in places, but otherwise a terrific story and a terrific adaptation. I like the idea of the Doctor trying out different console rooms just for the heck of it. I think that'll be my head-canon explanation for now. Looking forward to Cold Fusion!
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