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Post by mark687 on Mar 30, 2016 13:57:46 GMT
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Post by aztec on Mar 30, 2016 14:34:12 GMT
I thought Gomez was great in the opening episodes and she plays a great villain for Capaldi to work off, that said I'm not sure I'd agree her performance was BAFTA worthy even with the new female perspective there's only so much depth/freshness you can bring to a character as evilly hammy as the Master, I'd personally argue both Coleman (in the Zygon two parter) and Capaldi (particularly in Heaven Sent, I wasn't as fond of this ep as most seem to be, but Capaldi was incredible in it, his speech in the Zygon Inversion(?) was also very impressive) gave subtler, but stronger performances no less deserving of a nomination.
Are the nominations by audiences or critics?
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Post by mark687 on Mar 30, 2016 14:41:00 GMT
Critics I thank and I agree Capaldi's Zygon speech alone was light years ahead of anything Gomez did (the material she has is a waste of a good actress).
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Post by aztec on Mar 30, 2016 14:53:32 GMT
Critics I thank and I agree Capaldi's Zygon speech alone was light years ahead of anything Gomez did (the material she has is a waste of a good actress). Regards mark687 Hmm maybe Capaldi's Doctor appeals more to fans and/or casual audiences than critics not emotionally attached to the show? I think there's a tendency by some critics to look down on Who as a mere family/children's show and as such treating broader/loud performances as what to be expected (not that that's a bad thing, Gomez plays loud and crazy brilliantly i.m.o), Capaldi is a very subtle actor with a very different approach to the role than Tennant or Smith, on the other hand if the awards are voted for by audiences I think the 12th Doctor's more abrasive, mysterious personality in series 8 may have 'written him off' with some viewers who were expecting another kooky romantic hero like Tennant or Smith...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 30, 2016 15:02:18 GMT
I really hope Michelle Gomez wins. By far the best new series incarnation of the Master.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 30, 2016 15:08:04 GMT
I really hope Michelle Gomez wins. By far the best new series incarnation of the Master. I agree, I think Missy is an exceptionally good portrayal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 15:08:06 GMT
I don't know who nominates these things, but I'm delighted. She is a terrific actress and plays a well-written character superbly, balancing funny/sinister perfectly. More broadly speaking, it's nice to see Doctor Who being nominated for something again. It's just a gentle nudge to remind people that it is the best show on television!
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Post by iank on Mar 31, 2016 1:56:42 GMT
I think they're actually actively taking the piss now, to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 5:09:05 GMT
Good on her, Michelle Gomez's mad Mary Poppins Master was the best thing about The Witch's Familiar. She had me in stitches. So much fun.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 31, 2016 6:51:42 GMT
Typical BAFTA, ignore Peter Capaldi's excellent performances in series 9 but instead they nominate this awful overrated actress who's performances as Missy are pantomine at best.
She was in Gotham recently more or less playing Missy.
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Post by CookieMaster on Mar 31, 2016 7:25:34 GMT
Her performance in series 9 won me over, and convinced me that she is a good...nay, great Master. Best of luck old girl.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 31, 2016 9:27:06 GMT
Typical BAFTA, ignore Peter Capaldi's excellent performances in series 9 but instead they nominate this awful overrated actress who's performances as Missy are pantomine at best. She was in Gotham recently more or less playing Missy. Gomaz is a decent actress it just boggles the mind that she's nominated for a hammy performance that makes up only 30 minutes of screen time when Capaldi covered the entire acting spectrum Solo
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Post by relativetime on Mar 31, 2016 17:06:59 GMT
Well, by no means is Gomez's performance poor, but I think I agree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread - Capaldi is far more worthy of the nomination. Gomez had some fantastic moments in The Magician's Apprentice and The Witch's Familiar, but I don't think they even compare to ALL of Heaven Sent, the Zygon war speech, ALL of Face the Raven, and even The Girl Who Died - all of those contain absolutely phenomenal moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 31, 2016 17:14:21 GMT
The comparison to Capaldi is irrelevant in the context of this nomination.
This is a nomination for "Best Supporting Actor", no matter how you cut it, Capaldi is not a supporting actor in Who.
Gomez's performance is not being judged against the performance of Capaldi, and her nomination says nothing at all about the relative quality of their acting.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 31, 2016 21:03:08 GMT
The comparison to Capaldi is irrelevant in the context of this nomination. This is a nomination for "Best Supporting Actor", no matter how you cut it, Capaldi is not a supporting actor in Who. Gomez's performance is not being judged against the performance of Capaldi, and her nomination says nothing at all about the relative quality of their acting. This. If anything, it is more comparable to Jenna Coleman's performance (although I'm sure she'll probably end up being nominated for Best Lead Actor at the BAFTAS for her role in Elisabeth next year should it be successful anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 21:07:19 GMT
Why are people saying "But Capaldi was better"? It's a different category entirely. Yes, I would have nominated Peter as Best Actor personally but to downgrade Michelle's achievement is mean spirited at best. And she's up for Best Supporting Actress, not Actor, despite two posts to the contrary. She was absolutely phenomenal in the Davros 2-parter. Mercurial, hilarious, vicious and joyful.
This is who Peter lost out to for a nomination:
Ben Whishaw, London Spy Idris Elba, Luther Mark Rylance, Wolf Hall Stephen Graham, This is England '90
There's no shame there.Those are big names too and all 4 were great performances though I'd lose Idris for peter simply because I think he's been better in previou years as Luther.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 22:48:25 GMT
Exactly. Gomez having a nomination to her name is awesome, but that doesn't diminish the work that others have accomplished who haven't received any kind of nomination. I mean look at Leonardo diCaprio bouncing from stellar performance to stellar performance, yet he never received any kind of recognition until this year in the Academy Awards. If he hadn't, would we have regarded his work as less for it? No, because that's not really a reflection on anyone else other than whoever's giving the award. The same's true of Peter Capaldi. We don't need an award to know he too is awesome.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 1, 2016 11:12:34 GMT
You may not be aware that nominations are put forward by Producers, Directors, the tv company and BAFTA members. Whether BAFTA members are actors, writers or critics, I don't know!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 1, 2016 13:19:17 GMT
Why are people saying "But Capaldi was better"? It's a different category entirely. Yes, I would have nominated Peter as Best Actor personally but to downgrade Michelle's achievement is mean spirited at best. And she's up for Best Supporting Actress, not Actor, despite two posts to the contrary. She was absolutely phenomenal in the Davros 2-parter. Mercurial, hilarious, vicious and joyful. This is who Peter lost out to for a nomination: Ben Whishaw, London Spy Idris Elba, Luther Mark Rylance, Wolf Hall Stephen Graham, This is England '90 There's no shame there.Those are big names too and all 4 were great performances though I'd lose Idris for peter simply because I think he's been better in previou years as Luther. Peter Capaldi's better than all those actors IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 4:00:04 GMT
So what? That's not the point. The BAFTA isn't for who the best actor is in general but who gave the best performance in one individual role. How many of those performances in those shows have you seen? Not just "I've seen them in other things". Have you actually seen Wolf Hall or This Is England '90?
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