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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:12:36 GMT
I wish they could, that would really mess up the Master's timeline. Missy is outside their contract though. Only until the BBC says otherwise. I think performance wise, the BBC is going to keep Twelve's era under their remit. It does seem that Big Finish can make references, however to it (The Sonic Trowel, Twelve being refered to by River in Doom Coalition 2) .
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 3, 2016 10:19:05 GMT
So no Clara or twelfth Doctor cameos, but the Mistress?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:23:16 GMT
So no Clara or twelfth Doctor cameos, but the Mistress? Missy's identity wasn't revealed until Dark Water, so she does fall under the remit of the Twelfth Doctor era. I don't think it's a technicality Big Finish can really work around all that much
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 3, 2016 16:39:52 GMT
Has there every been a Master regeneration scene in any medium? *Something* is going on at the end of Deadly Assassin too.The Master's face on the clockface is fleshier and he may even have hair, plus the Doctor notes that he could have converted the energy coming from the monolith. I think he basically switched from being the Pratt Master to the Beevers Master. He looked much more like the Master in the Keeper of Traken at that point.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 3, 2016 20:56:37 GMT
*Something* is going on at the end of Deadly Assassin too.The Master's face on the clockface is fleshier and he may even have hair, plus the Doctor notes that he could have converted the energy coming from the monolith. I think he basically switched from being the Pratt Master to the Beevers Master. He looked much more like the Master in the Keeper of Traken at that point. I think that's about right, a de-putrefaction of some sort, supported by the Doctor's comments in Trail of the White Worm. It would be interesting to know what the production crew at the time were intending though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 9:50:03 GMT
I think he basically switched from being the Pratt Master to the Beevers Master. He looked much more like the Master in the Keeper of Traken at that point. I think that's about right, a de-putrefaction of some sort, supported by the Doctor's comments in Trail of the White Worm. It would be interesting to know what the production crew at the time were intending though. Authorial intent is a doozy to take into account, primarily because what a writer intends and what actually happens on-screen can be two very different things. Considering Robert Holmes's more cynical and morally grey outlook, it's not impossible (in fact, it's more than likely) that the Master succeeded in his plan to restore his physiology on Gallifrey. Had Li H'sen Chang's sponsor in The Talons of Weng-Chiang been him as originally intended instead of the infamous fifty-first century mass murderer Magnus Greel, it's possible that when the mask was torn from his face it would have revealed Peter Pratt with puckered skin, unfastidious hair and a face like a skull pushed into a balloon. Yeuck. As it stands however, it seems that the Delgado, Pratt and Beevers Master (at least that seen in The Keeper of Traken) are all differing stages of the same incarnation.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 4, 2016 10:49:05 GMT
I think that's about right, a de-putrefaction of some sort, supported by the Doctor's comments in Trail of the White Worm. It would be interesting to know what the production crew at the time were intending though. Authorial intent is a doozy to take into account, primarily because what a writer intends and what actually happens on-screen can be two very different things. Considering Robert Holmes's more cynical and morally grey outlook, it's not impossible (in fact, it's more than likely) that the Master succeeded in his plan to restore his physiology on Gallifrey. Had Li H'sen Chang's sponsor in The Talons of Weng-Chiang been him as originally intended instead of the infamous fifty-first century mass murderer Magnus Greel, it's possible that when the mask was torn from his face it would have revealed Peter Pratt with puckered skin, unfastidious hair and a face like a skull pushed into a balloon. Yeuck. As it stands however, it seems that the Delgado, Pratt and Beevers Master (at least that seen in The Keeper of Traken) are all differing stages of the same incarnation. Yes perhaps in 1981, but i tend to disagree with the assumption that they essentially one and the same in a modern context. The idea that Pratt is a decayed Delgado might be acceptable, but due to the sheer amount of stories containing Beevers, he is almost certainly presented as a unique incarnation by Big Finish. Its a weak argument, but even some cover art has shown him to look like a slightly peaky Geoffrey Beevers. If anything, it shows intent on their part I feel, and that works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 11:08:55 GMT
Authorial intent is a doozy to take into account, primarily because what a writer intends and what actually happens on-screen can be two very different things. Considering Robert Holmes's more cynical and morally grey outlook, it's not impossible (in fact, it's more than likely) that the Master succeeded in his plan to restore his physiology on Gallifrey. Had Li H'sen Chang's sponsor in The Talons of Weng-Chiang been him as originally intended instead of the infamous fifty-first century mass murderer Magnus Greel, it's possible that when the mask was torn from his face it would have revealed Peter Pratt with puckered skin, unfastidious hair and a face like a skull pushed into a balloon. Yeuck. As it stands however, it seems that the Delgado, Pratt and Beevers Master (at least that seen in The Keeper of Traken) are all differing stages of the same incarnation. Yes perhaps in 1981, but i tend to disagree with the assumption that they essentially one and the same in a modern context. The idea that Pratt is a decayed Delgado might be acceptable, but due to the sheer amount of stories containing Beevers, he is almost certainly presented as a unique incarnation by Big Finish. Its a weak argument, but even some cover art has shown him to look like a slightly peaky Geoffrey Beevers. If anything, it shows intent on their part I feel, and that works for me. You can definitely make that argument, I think that a lot of the Beevers dialogue would sound pretty smooth and natural coming from Delgado, but there's no real way to prove that. Plus given the amount of exposure we've had to him it makes way more sense to think he's "regenerated" into the fleshier incarnation. I actually think that there's a couple of Beevers incarnations floating around from the one we see pre- Logopolis to the one that appears post-TV Movie (or post- The Glorious Dead if you follow the comics) to his appearance as John Smith in Master. He strikes me as an interregnum face that the Master resorts to whenever he's seriously hurting. So his timeline so far looks something like... (Possibly Edward Brayshaw) Roger Delgado (and Peter Pratt) Geoffrey Beevers Anthony Ainley (with the occasional Krueger-faced appearance) Basil Rathbone (which may result in him ending up as Geoffrey Beevers's John Smith) Eric Roberts "The Glorious Dead" Geoffrey Beevers Alex Macqueen Derek Jacobi John Simm Michelle Gomez It gets a little fuzzy after Ainley because of conflicting sources. There are even some accounts that allegedly tell of two Masters wandering around at this point causing havoc with only one of them ending up in the Eye of Harmony.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 4, 2016 12:01:34 GMT
I actually dont think there has been. Its all happened off screen, if you dont count the possession of Tremas We saw Jacobi to Simm on screen and that was it. How in the name of The Other did i forget that?
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Post by elgranto on Apr 9, 2016 7:19:08 GMT
I voted Jacobi, just because I'd love to hear him spar with John Hurt. Macqueen is excellent though, so if Jacobi is unavailable I'd be perfectly happy having him be the "War Master" so to speak. I can only see a new incarnation being introduced if both Jacobi and Macqueen are busy with other things.
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