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Post by timegirl on Jul 12, 2021 3:16:41 GMT
It’s a shame there was never a moment where 12 got caught in the rain during a thunderstorm with his clothes soaked to the skin and shouts “Clara!”and then Clara comes running towards 12 and embraces him!
This needs to be corrected!🤔😉
I can think of a few scenarios where such a moment could happen as well!😊
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Post by grinch on Jul 12, 2021 10:51:44 GMT
The Happiness Patrol is utterly brilliant on a number of levels. It’s definitely a lot better than it’s reputation suggests. I think a lot of people tend to see the Kandyman (even though I do get what they what they were going for) and disregard it completely. Which is a shame.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 12, 2021 16:01:37 GMT
I have very complicated feelings in regards to Stephen Moffat’s contributions to DW. He is responsible for some of my absolute favorite things in DW (like 12 and Clara) and some of my least favorite things (like Husbands of River Song), while still being one of my favorite writers ever and an influence on the kinds of stories I would like to write.
Sidenote: I don’t hate River and I do think Alex Kingston is a talented actress and I am sure lovely person. I just like River in moderation, I think her arc should have ended with 11, and I really think 12 belongs with Clara ( the woman 12 should have spent 24 years with). Husbands of River Song just feels out of place to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 5:28:48 GMT
The Happiness Patrol is utterly brilliant on a number of levels. It’s definitely a lot better than it’s reputation suggests. I think a lot of people tend to see the Kandyman (even though I do get what they what they were going for) and disregard it completely. Which is a shame. I'd be interested to see what a bit of modern colour correction does for the image. Sharpen some of the contrasts, reduce the brightness for certain scenes and see what pops out. I'm not sure if it's rumour or fact, but there is word on the grapevine that it was originally intended to be broadcast in monochrome and there are certain moments -- like the Doctor frightening away the sniper -- which look almost textbook noir even with the colour. A deceptive classic The Happiness Patrol. I appreciate the bravery of telling a story whose moral is essentially, "Don't try to force happiness. Let it come naturally." Edit: Fun discovery, Dominic Glynn remixed the soundtrack for the story back in 2017 for No Bones Records. Available to hear on YouTube:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 7:32:11 GMT
It’s definitely a lot better than it’s reputation suggests. I think a lot of people tend to see the Kandyman (even though I do get what they what they were going for) and disregard it completely. Which is a shame. I'd be interested to see what a bit of modern colour correction does for the image. Sharpen some of the contrasts, reduce the brightness for certain scenes and see what pops out. I'm not sure if it's rumour or fact, but there is word on the grapevine that it was originally intended to be broadcast in monochrome and there are certain moments -- like the Doctor frightening away the sniper -- which look almost textbook noir even with the colour. A deceptive classic The Happiness Patrol. I appreciate the bravery of telling a story whose moral is essentially, "Don't try to force happiness. Let it come naturally." Edit: Fun discovery, Dominic Glynn remixed the soundtrack for the story back in 2017 for No Bones Records. Available to hear on YouTube:
I'm sure it was planned for it to be a black and white film noir production but because people in the late 80s complained about everything (1), it was felt viewers would moan that they paid for a colour TV license and would feel small changed. One of the criticisms levelled by fans, because people in the late 80s complained about everything (2), was that the traditional brilliance of the previous Dalek story made way for this, labelled the season's 'oddball', and the flow wasn't consistent. I *loved* that even in its 25th year, Doctor Who was still able to wrong foot and surprise viewers in this way. When one story finished, you never knew what delights the next one held the following week. A genuine classic, in my view.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 14, 2021 1:20:38 GMT
I have very complicated feelings in regards to Stephen Moffat’s contributions to DW. He is responsible for some of my absolute favorite things in DW (like 12 and Clara) and some of my least favorite things (like Husbands of River Song), while still being one of my favorite writers ever and an influence on the kinds of stories I would like to write. Sidenote: I don’t hate River and I do think Alex Kingston is a talented actress and I am sure lovely person. I just like River in moderation, I think her arc should have ended with 11, and I really think 12 belongs with Clara ( the woman 12 should have spent 24 years with). Husbands of River Song just feels out of place to me. Yeah, that's really a thing, isn't it? No matter how high my opinion of Moffat seem to get, there's still some manual work left to do making the best head canon out of it somehow. The dreaded Kill the Moon is actually so close to perfect I somehow can't seem to resist throwing in 30 seconds worth of alien intervention to make the whole thing work, and as long as I'm going to re-write stuff, why stop there? I know you're not really trying to add anything that wasn't already there - in fact, for what it's worth, even before I finally noticed what Moffat and Capaldi and Coleman had been building, Husbands of River Song really felt off key to me in a number of ways, the first time I saw it.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 14, 2021 1:24:48 GMT
I have very complicated feelings in regards to Stephen Moffat’s contributions to DW. He is responsible for some of my absolute favorite things in DW (like 12 and Clara) and some of my least favorite things (like Husbands of River Song), while still being one of my favorite writers ever and an influence on the kinds of stories I would like to write. Sidenote: I don’t hate River and I do think Alex Kingston is a talented actress and I am sure lovely person. I just like River in moderation, I think her arc should have ended with 11, and I really think 12 belongs with Clara ( the woman 12 should have spent 24 years with). Husbands of River Song just feels out of place to me. Got to disagree there The 12th Doctor and River had more chemistry and romantic believability in that episode then the entire run of 11 and River
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 1:43:03 GMT
I have very complicated feelings in regards to Stephen Moffat’s contributions to DW. He is responsible for some of my absolute favorite things in DW (like 12 and Clara) and some of my least favorite things (like Husbands of River Song), while still being one of my favorite writers ever and an influence on the kinds of stories I would like to write. Sidenote: I don’t hate River and I do think Alex Kingston is a talented actress and I am sure lovely person. I just like River in moderation, I think her arc should have ended with 11, and I really think 12 belongs with Clara ( the woman 12 should have spent 24 years with). Husbands of River Song just feels out of place to me. Got to disagree there The 12th Doctor and River had more chemistry and romantic believability in that episode then the entire run of 11 and River Fair enough, I still feel 12 ultimately belongs with Clara though. It also feels wrong to me to have this big romantic episode with River directly after the tragic end of 12 and Clara’s romance. I know a lot of people like “Husbands” but one thing that always annoys me about it is people often use 12/River romance to claim it’s the only one 12 ever had and use that they are “age appropriate” for each other and that River is closer in species to the Doctor in order to discredit 12’s relationship with Clara, as though the Doctor can’t fall for a normal human who is younger than him. It frustrates me so much when people use River to discredit other romantic options for the Doctor simply because she is closer in species than humans. I don’t hate River, I like her fashion and I think she holds her own in some BF stories I just don’t like how she steals the spotlight from other characters.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 1:54:51 GMT
I have very complicated feelings in regards to Stephen Moffat’s contributions to DW. He is responsible for some of my absolute favorite things in DW (like 12 and Clara) and some of my least favorite things (like Husbands of River Song), while still being one of my favorite writers ever and an influence on the kinds of stories I would like to write. Sidenote: I don’t hate River and I do think Alex Kingston is a talented actress and I am sure lovely person. I just like River in moderation, I think her arc should have ended with 11, and I really think 12 belongs with Clara ( the woman 12 should have spent 24 years with). Husbands of River Song just feels out of place to me. Yeah, that's really a thing, isn't it? No matter how high my opinion of Moffat seem to get, there's still some manual work left to do making the best head canon out of it somehow. The dreaded Kill the Moon is actually so close to perfect I somehow can't seem to resist throwing in 30 seconds worth of alien intervention to make the whole thing work, and as long as I'm going to re-write stuff, why stop there? I know you're not really trying to add anything that wasn't already there - in fact, for what it's worth, even before I finally noticed what Moffat and Capaldi and Coleman had been building, Husbands of River Song really felt off key to me in a number of ways, the first time I saw it. Out of curiosity how would you rewrite Kill the moon out of curiosity? I am glad I’m not the only one who thought the same about “Husbands”!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 14, 2021 2:00:51 GMT
Got to disagree there The 12th Doctor and River had more chemistry and romantic believability in that episode then the entire run of 11 and River Fair enough, I still feel 12 ultimately belongs with Clara though. It also feels wrong to me to have this big romantic episode with River directly after the tragic end of 12 and Clara’s romance. I know a lot of people like “Husbands” but one thing that always annoys me about it is people often use 12/River romance to claim it’s the only one 12 ever had and use that they are “age appropriate” for each other and that River is closer in species to the Doctor in order to discredit 12’s relationship with Clara, as though the Doctor can’t fall for a normal human who is younger than him. It frustrates me so much when people use River to discredit other romantic options for the Doctor simply because she is closer in species than humans. I don’t hate River, I like her fashion and I think she holds her own in some BF stories I just don’t like how she steals the spotlight from other characters. So , how would you rate say- 4th and Sarah Jane Smith, 10th and Rose? I was surprised at how surprised I got watching the scene with older SJS pouring her heart out to 10th, and his reaction, you could obviously see he had a case of the "L's" for her. (More emotion in that scene between SJS and 10th than all of Twilight).
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 2:04:49 GMT
Fair enough, I still feel 12 ultimately belongs with Clara though. It also feels wrong to me to have this big romantic episode with River directly after the tragic end of 12 and Clara’s romance. I know a lot of people like “Husbands” but one thing that always annoys me about it is people often use 12/River romance to claim it’s the only one 12 ever had and use that they are “age appropriate” for each other and that River is closer in species to the Doctor in order to discredit 12’s relationship with Clara, as though the Doctor can’t fall for a normal human who is younger than him. It frustrates me so much when people use River to discredit other romantic options for the Doctor simply because she is closer in species than humans. I don’t hate River, I like her fashion and I think she holds her own in some BF stories I just don’t like how she steals the spotlight from other characters. So , how would you rate say- 4th and Sarah Jane Smith, 10th and Rose? I was surprised at how surprised I got watching the scene with older SJS pouring her heart out to 10th, and his reaction, you could obviously see he had a case of the "L's" for her. (More emotion in that scene between SJS and 10th than all of Twilight).
I think 4 and Sara Jane, 10 and Rose, and 10 and Sara Jane are sweet together!😊 10 and Sarah Jane made me cry!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 14, 2021 2:20:36 GMT
So , how would you rate say- 4th and Sarah Jane Smith, 10th and Rose? I was surprised at how surprised I got watching the scene with older SJS pouring her heart out to 10th, and his reaction, you could obviously see he had a case of the "L's" for her. (More emotion in that scene between SJS and 10th than all of Twilight).
I think 4 and Sara Jane, 10 and Rose, and 10 and Sara Jane are sweet together!😊 10 and Sarah Jane made me cry! testament to their acting as well
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 2:38:58 GMT
I think 4 and Sara Jane, 10 and Rose, and 10 and Sara Jane are sweet together!😊 10 and Sarah Jane made me cry! testament to their acting as well Definitely! 12 and Clara will always be my absolute favorite DW couple but I do have a soft spot for most other Doctor romances😊 I think 9 and Rose are actually a bit underrated together! They had really good chemistry! I think the only Doctor love interests I don’t like are River and the racist nurse Joan Redfern. This is going to sound weird but sometimes I feel guilty for not liking River because I feel like I am supposed to like her and that it makes me a horrible person for not loving her character since so many other people do. I sometimes worry that if I want to write for bf one day they won’t like that I am not a fan of River. I hope that doesn’t work against me. I think Alex Kingston is very talented and I actually love her first story “Silence in the Library/Forest oft the Dead”, I do like some of her bf stories, and she has amazing clothes; I guess I just have a lot of frustrations with her in regards to who I think the Doctor (mainly 12) belongs with (Clara).
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 14, 2021 5:15:14 GMT
Twice Upon a Time would have been much better if it was 13 meeting first doctor.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 11:31:15 GMT
Twice Upon a Time would have been much better if it was 13 meeting first doctor. No
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 11:42:19 GMT
Twice Upon a Time would have been much better if it was 13 meeting first doctor. No Agreed. Twice Upon a Time was, I thought, intended to highlight Twelve's resistance to change, to his upcoming regeneration, with events having been set in motion in The Doctor Falls. Quite how it could be fitted into 13's timeline, I really don't know - but then, this is the place for controversial opinions.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 14, 2021 11:51:30 GMT
Twice Upon a Time would have been much better if it was 13 meeting first doctor. No Yes. More of a contrast between both the doctors & original & current Who.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 14, 2021 12:00:15 GMT
Yes. More of a contrast between both the doctors & original & current Who. I like Twice upon a time as it is because it’s history repeating itself with the parallels and differences between 1 and 12 is the whole point of the episode. Maybe 13 can meet 1 or another classic Doctor in the 60th or BF in a story more suited to her incarnation?
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Post by mark687 on Jul 14, 2021 12:01:47 GMT
Yes. More of a contrast between both the doctors & original & current Who. "Oi old man your Scared of Regenerating you don't the half of it!" No Thank You Regards mark687
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Post by grinch on Jul 14, 2021 12:01:57 GMT
Agreed. Twice Upon a Time was, I thought, intended to highlight Twelve's resistance to change, to his upcoming regeneration, with events having been set in motion in The Doctor Falls. Quite how it could be fitted into 13's timeline, I really don't know - but then, this is the place for controversial opinions. That and I think for sentimental reasons as well because I think Peter Capaldi has said on a few occasions that he remembers watching William Hartnell as the First Doctor as a child.
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