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Post by timegirl on Jul 24, 2021 22:46:19 GMT
No, I will grant there was youthful flirting but with 12 and Clara things became much deeper. Also Mummy on the Orient Express dripped sexual tension. I admire your persistence and enthusiasm always But honestly in Mummy, I think The Doctor has better chemistry with Perkins...and seems much more interested in keeping him around! Thanks š 12 and Perkins do work well together but 12 and Clara do have those close steamy dimly lit train hallway scenes where Clara asks 12 if he would still come over for dinner after they ā break upā.12 does carry Clara to safety and wraps her in a blanket on the beach. Also the āI love youā Clara says at the end is directed not to her boyfriend on the phone but down to 12, who gives a little smile back. In a Q and A, Jenna Coleman actually confirmed that the āI love youā was for the Doctor rather than Danny.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 25, 2021 3:00:24 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if Clara would love 12 as much if he were human. If he still had the same personality but didnāt have all the special Timelord time and space travel powers. I know that Clara loves his lifestyle too but she also said in āLast Christmasā that 12 is the only other man she would ever marry but that he was impossible. I would like to think that 12 and Clara have such a deep emotional connection with each other that she would absolutely still love 12 if he became human. It would after all pre Hell Bent, make things much easier for them to actually have a relationship and share their feelings with each other. I do wonder if 12 would enjoy being human. I feel like he would only really like it if he had Clara guiding him and that he might be kind of lost otherwise.
Sidenote: I think other physical changes might happen to 12 in addition to the humanity...
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 25, 2021 3:02:49 GMT
I wish that Moffatt had left in 2012 like he originally wanted with Karen, Arthur and Matt
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Post by timegirl on Jul 25, 2021 3:33:16 GMT
I wish that Moffatt had left in 2012 like he originally wanted with Karen, Arthur and Matt No, we would have been robbed of a lot of wonderful things if that were the case.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 25, 2021 4:05:01 GMT
I wish that Moffatt had left in 2012 like he originally wanted with Karen, Arthur and Matt No, we would have been robbed of a lot of wonderful things if that were the case. What things?
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Post by timegirl on Jul 25, 2021 4:06:48 GMT
Itās the same picture!: I wasnāt kidding when I said there were so many parallels that even the body language is the same!
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Post by timegirl on Jul 25, 2021 4:07:35 GMT
No, we would have been robbed of a lot of wonderful things if that were the case. What things? š¤Ø
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 25, 2021 7:26:08 GMT
No, I will grant there was youthful flirting but with 12 and Clara things became much deeper. Also Mummy on the Orient Express dripped sexual tension. I admire your persistence and enthusiasm always But honestly in Mummy, I think The Doctor has better chemistry with Perkins...and seems much more interested in keeping him around! I wish Perkins had become a companion.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Jul 25, 2021 8:12:39 GMT
No, we would have been robbed of a lot of wonderful things if that were the case. What things? The 50th, the Capaldi years, Bill and Nardole, Missy, the return of the Zygons, the best Cybermen story since Earthshock, Michael Pickwoad as production designer, the Eleventh Doctor's 7B outfit, Clara, Heaven Sent, the return of the First Doctor, all of Series 10, the return of John Simm's Master... the list goes on...
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Post by timegirl on Jul 26, 2021 0:41:08 GMT
The Girl in the Fireplace is a wonderful episode but itās placement in series 2 makes no sense. The rest of Series 2 focuses on 10 and Roseās romance so it feels strange to have a big romance between 10 and Madam DePomedore in the middle. It would have made more sense to have it during series 3 when 10 is on the rebound.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 27, 2021 0:08:05 GMT
If there were American Doctors, Jeff Goldblum would definitely be one of them!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 0:41:50 GMT
If there were American Doctors, Jeff Goldblum would definitely be one of them! I think that's a great shout. He was often a fan choice of "If there HAS to be an American Doctor..." in the letters page of DWM in the 90s.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 27, 2021 0:46:38 GMT
If there were American Doctors, Jeff Goldblum would definitely be one of them! I think that's a great shout. He was often a fan choice of "If there HAS to be an American Doctor..." in the letters page of DWM in the 90s.Ā Maybe he could be a Timeless Doctor?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 1:13:27 GMT
I think that's a great shout. He was often a fan choice of "If there HAS to be an American Doctor..." in the letters page of DWM in the 90s. Maybe he could be a Timeless Doctor? See, this is why I loved The Timeless Children. They can now all count - not just the Morbius Doctors but the Shalka one, the Fatal Death ones, the odd comic one...whatever. Jodie's Doctor said it best - the revelation that The Master thought would destroy her made her stronger...because she's more than even she knew she ever was. I love it. Personally I'm not too fussed about "that means so and so can be canon" as much as I am the storytelling possibilities. As I kept saying after the ep aired to a lot of hate, it puts the "Who?" back In "Doctor Who" for the first time in a long, long time. And it gave us Jo Martin. Who's gonna argue with that?
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 27, 2021 1:13:58 GMT
I think that's a great shout. He was often a fan choice of "If there HAS to be an American Doctor..." in the letters page of DWM in the 90s. Maybe he could be a Timeless Doctor? *in walks Nicholas Cage to the conversation*....... He can "recite the alphabet" any day of the week it's still hypnotically entertaining !
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Post by The Brigadier on Jul 27, 2021 9:21:15 GMT
Oh boy.... *sits back and eagerly awaits Timegirl's undoubtedly lengthy reply on this* š¤Ŗ View AttachmentWell itās not my personal preference I am going to be surprising and say I could kind of maybe see it but maybe with a Clara splinter rather than the main Clara. Clara and River as much as I hate to admit it do have a few similar traits here and there and I could see where River would be attracted to Clara since she is basically a human Doctor. I still prefer Clara over River and maintain that 12 had a far stronger romantic connection to Clara. 12 and Clara are soulmates who each put themselves through hell for one another it would have been far more satisfying for those two to spend 24 happy years together before Clara went back to her death. I also said maybe a splinter Clara since I highly doubt post hell bent Clara is going to jump into a romantic relationship. Post hell bent, Clara has no memory wipe to clear the pain of the parting of her soulmate the Doctor. She may go adventures in her dinner but thereās a lot of memories of her and 12 she would have to deal with. I could Clara having some light rebound flirting with people but she will have her guard up because she would be afraid of a true long term relationship because of how things ended with 12. I think Clara would check in on 12 without him realizing who she was sort of as his guardian angel. *reads first couple of sentences... * š
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Post by timegirl on Jul 27, 2021 12:48:02 GMT
I feel very frustrated that the two people (Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman) I most desperately want to come back to DW might be some of the hardest to get to come backš There is so much potential there and I know something wonderful can be done with them if they came to BF one day. It would be a dream of mine to write for the two of them at BF one day, there is a storyline in particular I think has to be told with the two of them that would fit in so well into the story arch of their relationship and be incredibly emotionally satisfying and memorable. It would be something so different to anything else in 12ās run. I think BF could convince Peter and Jenna back one day if they just showed them a different side to it. It would be heartbreaking if Peter and Jenna never played 12 and Clara again, they mean so much to so many peopleš¢
I hope if BF does get Peter and Jenna they donāt just do runarounds and crossovers. I love BF but that is a big pet peeve of mine! Those are fine used sparingly but it would be a waste of their talent and potential not to do thoughtful and meaningful stories that explore their unique relationship with all the romantic subtext that entails. Yes, you can have a few silly runarounds and crossovers later on but that should not be the focus. I feel so strongly about this I wish I could be the one in charge of their range if they ever were to come to BF. Sidenote: BF also should emphasize the musician aspect of 12, itās an essential part of his character development and it would be ripe for some interesting storytelling on audio. Also 12 needs to sing at some point.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 27, 2021 13:18:04 GMT
I feel very frustrated that the two people (Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman) I most desperately want to come back to DW might be some of the hardest to get to come backš There is so much potential there and I know something wonderful can be done with them if they came to BF one day. It would be a dream of mine to write for the two of them at BF one day, there is a storyline in particular I think has to be told with the two of them that would fit in so well into the story arch of their relationship and be incredibly emotionally satisfying and memorable. It would be something so different to anything else in 12ās run. I think BF could convince Peter and Jenna back one day if they just showed them a different side to it. It would be heartbreaking if Peter and Jenna never played 12 and Clara again, they mean so much to so many peopleš¢ I hope if BF does get Peter and Jenna they donāt just do runarounds and crossovers. I love BF but that is a big pet peeve of mine! Those are fine used sparingly but it would be a waste of their talent and potential not to do thoughtful and meaningful stories that explore their unique relationship with all the romantic subtext that entails. Yes, you can have a few silly runarounds and crossovers later on but that should not be the focus. I feel so strongly about this I wish I could be the one in charge of their range if they ever were to come to BF. Sidenote: BF also should emphasize the musician aspect of 12, itās an essential part of his character development and it would be ripe for some interesting storytelling on audio. Also 12 needs to sing at some point. Well who knows if Peter and Jenna Louise Coleman will come back Iām still waiting for Carey mulligan to return but thatās unlikely to happen anytime soon Realistically If they did come back Peter Capaldi and Alex Kingston would likely have a Boxset together during their time on Darilium Clara might have a Boxset with her time as her splinters set during the name of the Doctor but yeah itās hard to say what will happen
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Post by timegirl on Jul 27, 2021 13:35:50 GMT
I feel very frustrated that the two people (Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman) I most desperately want to come back to DW might be some of the hardest to get to come backš There is so much potential there and I know something wonderful can be done with them if they came to BF one day. It would be a dream of mine to write for the two of them at BF one day, there is a storyline in particular I think has to be told with the two of them that would fit in so well into the story arch of their relationship and be incredibly emotionally satisfying and memorable. It would be something so different to anything else in 12ās run. I think BF could convince Peter and Jenna back one day if they just showed them a different side to it. It would be heartbreaking if Peter and Jenna never played 12 and Clara again, they mean so much to so many peopleš¢ I hope if BF does get Peter and Jenna they donāt just do runarounds and crossovers. I love BF but that is a big pet peeve of mine! Those are fine used sparingly but it would be a waste of their talent and potential not to do thoughtful and meaningful stories that explore their unique relationship with all the romantic subtext that entails. Yes, you can have a few silly runarounds and crossovers later on but that should not be the focus. I feel so strongly about this I wish I could be the one in charge of their range if they ever were to come to BF. Sidenote: BF also should emphasize the musician aspect of 12, itās an essential part of his character development and it would be ripe for some interesting storytelling on audio. Also 12 needs to sing at some point. Well who knows if Peter and Jenna Louise Coleman will come back Iām still waiting for Carey mulligan to return but thatās unlikely to happen anytime soon Realistically If they did come back Peter Capaldi and Alex Kingston would likely have a Boxset together during their time on Darilium Clara might have a Boxset with her time as her splinters set during the name of the Doctor but yeah itās hard to say what will happen If Peter and Jenna both come back they have to do boxsets together! They have such amazing chemistry together. I hope they donāt just focus on 12 with River! I mean I would begrudgingly put up with River just to have 12 back but it would I would be angry if they made it seem like she was 12ās only romantic relationship. Thatās what bothers me the most when people often use River to somehow say that 12 wasnāt attracted to Clara or that River is the only character the Doctor is allowed to have romance with because of her species or being āage appropriateā. Sidenote: I donāt hate Alex Kingston, I am sure she is a lovely person, itās just I donāt like how River was placed in 12ās era.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 27, 2021 14:06:01 GMT
Well who knows if Peter and Jenna Louise Coleman will come back Iām still waiting for Carey mulligan to return but thatās unlikely to happen anytime soon Realistically If they did come back Peter Capaldi and Alex Kingston would likely have a Boxset together during their time on Darilium Clara might have a Boxset with her time as her splinters set during the name of the Doctor but yeah itās hard to say what will happen If Peter and Jenna both come back they have to do boxsets together! They have such amazing chemistry together. I hope they donāt just focus on 12 with River! I mean I would begrudgingly put up with River just to have 12 back but it would I would be angry if they made it seem like she was 12ās only romantic relationship. Thatās what bothers me the most when people often use River to somehow say that 12 wasnāt attracted to Clara or that River is the only character the Doctor is allowed to have romance with because of her species or being āage appropriateā. Sidenote: I donāt hate Alex Kingston, I am sure she is a lovely person, itās just I donāt like how River was placed in 12ās era. Maybe but River IS the Doctor Who's wife. Official canon. Clara may be special to 12 but not to all the Doctor's like River is.
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