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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 12, 2023 2:26:58 GMT
I think you're making the opposite point you're trying to putting it so easily to skim month by month. How many months feature less than two crossovers or returning elements? Or how many feature ones that don't feel organic? Jackie Tyler and River Song took on Krotons this year. Can you think of a more dartboard aproach to picking what to do than that? And it's not JUST crossovers. Don't get hung up on that - Charley isn't a crossover in Audacity, she's returning from early in her own run with the same Doctor. But in a range called "a bold new era" they went one story without sidelining the new companion for most of the Cyberman story and then bringing Charley in at the end. Charley who was in a crossover 2 months earlier with Doom. And a returning box set last year with her Doctor. And she's not even part of the Once And Future stuff.. Check out an average release month from back in the day with the main range, a Benny, a companion chronicle and I promise you there was a lot less head scratching going on. This never used to be a subject of discussion till...I don't know- the 3rd time River appeared with McGann? UNIT taking on all the Masters less than a year after River took on the exact same lineup? When did UNIT do a Master-thon? I know War turned up in Code Silver and Missy was shoehorned into the Eleven’s storyline recent….
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Post by eightelements on Nov 12, 2023 2:34:05 GMT
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Perhaps it's not the number of returning elements but the sheer amount of Doctor Who content Big Finish releases? From the mid-2010s through 2021 Big Finish was releasing, every month:
*A Main Range release. *Two DW / Worlds of DW box sets. *A third box set (sometimes DW / Worlds of DW). *A monthly series (Early Adventures, Pathfinder, Torchwood, 4DAs etc.). *A DW Short Trip. *Something else (e.g. book/audiobook).
Also, the number of releases did not drop while, over the years, monthly series were replaced with box sets, meaning more hours of content per month for the same number of releases. (I just took a glance through 2012 and 2022. What a difference!) The end of the Main Range was just another step in that direction. (Am I seeing four box sets per month in 2022/2023?)
Is that what we're exhausted by?
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Post by pdt on Nov 12, 2023 11:09:07 GMT
Is that what we're exhausted by? It certainly doesn't help. I would argue Big Finish's talent pool also hasn't grown proportionally, so you've got people having to come up with far more stories in a year than they ever had to before. I suspect some of them are exhausted too. It'll be an unpopular opinion on a Big Finish forum, but I think the output needs to be stripped right back. That won't happen, of course, because once you're producing this level of output it's tough to suddenly reverse that.
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 12, 2023 15:38:28 GMT
I think the x meets y has appeared to go into overdrive is very much a product of the increased output in recent years. So many ranges to produce, just a few I keep an eye out for, 1DAs, 2DAs, 3DAs, 4DAs, 5DAs, 6DAs, 7DAs, 8DAs, 8TW, WDB, 9DAs, 10DAs, 11DCs, The War Master, Gallifrey, NABS, Dairy of River Song.
Some of these ranges are 2 - 3 releases per year, I can't imagine the coordination and endeavour needed to keep producing new stories year in, year out.
I have a few ranges I always invest in but for the most part, I wait until I see some reviews first. Based on the last few years, Big Finish has still still consistently produced some absolute gems.
River Song: Friend of the Family
The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield: Blood and Steel
The War Master range is always solid gold.
War Doctor Begins: He Who Fights Monsters
The Eleventh Doctor Chronicles Geronimo! & All of Time and Space. Dudman's 11 is brilliant, and the stories really top notch.
Although not my favourite, I hear only good things about 3DAs.
I'll always listen 8DAs, which for me, are always entertaining, even though this years twist wasn't the direction I was hoping for.
I have to say, my only real dissapointment this year has been Once and Future. Other ranges I don't regularly engage with, are more about personal taste than a poor product.
I think the key thing to remember with the current Big Finish output is that to listen to everything is to gorge on the most magnificent and rich buffet, but too much of a good thing will leave you with the audio equivalent of indigestion.
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Post by timleschild on Nov 12, 2023 15:46:40 GMT
Is that what we're exhausted by? It certainly doesn't help. I would argue Big Finish's talent pool also hasn't grown proportionally, so you've got people having to come up with far more stories in a year than they ever had to before. I suspect some of them are exhausted too. It'll be an unpopular opinion on a Big Finish forum, but I think the output needs to be stripped right back. That won't happen, of course, because once you're producing this level of output it's tough to suddenly reverse that. I agree. Less is more. Focus on quality not quantity. But I think BF just accept the audience they have, a small audience but I think maybe a loyal one that just buy everything regardless.
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Post by chrism1999 on Nov 12, 2023 18:12:55 GMT
It certainly doesn't help. I would argue Big Finish's talent pool also hasn't grown proportionally, so you've got people having to come up with far more stories in a year than they ever had to before. I suspect some of them are exhausted too. It'll be an unpopular opinion on a Big Finish forum, but I think the output needs to be stripped right back. That won't happen, of course, because once you're producing this level of output it's tough to suddenly reverse that. I agree. Less is more. Focus on quality not quantity. But I think BF just accept the audience they have, a small audience but I think maybe a loyal one that just buy everything regardless. I think it'a easy to say this when you're not the staff member/freelancer doing the writing, sound design, acting etc. for whom BF drastically cutting back their output would likey less to a concomitant drop in income.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 18:48:48 GMT
I agree. Less is more. Focus on quality not quantity. But I think BF just accept the audience they have, a small audience but I think maybe a loyal one that just buy everything regardless. I think it'a easy to say this when you're not the staff member/freelancer doing the writing, sound design, acting etc. for whom BF drastically cutting back their output would likey less to a concomitant drop in income. But so would a drop in numbers of people prepared to pay for the products, which could happen if the quality is not perceived to justify the purchase price anymore. As it is, next year's release calendar is currently very stripped back. I don't think it'll stay that way though, I think the anniversary will be a splurge of announcements in the hope of attracting new fans.
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Post by dorney on Nov 12, 2023 19:52:44 GMT
Is that what we're exhausted by? It certainly doesn't help. I would argue Big Finish's talent pool also hasn't grown proportionally, so you've got people having to come up with far more stories in a year than they ever had to before. I suspect some of them are exhausted too. It'll be an unpopular opinion on a Big Finish forum, but I think the output needs to be stripped right back. That won't happen, of course, because once you're producing this level of output it's tough to suddenly reverse that. In terms of the writing pool, it’s definitely grown and the workload has eased, for me at least.
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Post by dorney on Nov 13, 2023 15:04:24 GMT
You know what, I’ll clarify that a shade.
One thing people tend to forget both in terms of the talent pool and the workload on the existing one is that release order doesn’t reflect production. This is most obvious with the 4DAs where everyone knows we’re a few years ahead, but it’s by no means the only range.
This means that there are all manner of new writers we’re working with but it might be a while til we get to their stuff actually being released. By which time there’s every chance they won’t seem like new writers any more!
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Post by theillusiveman on Jan 14, 2024 13:39:12 GMT
So Sean Biggerstaff is recording with Georgia Moffett for Series 3 of Jenny The Doctors Daughter - Thats cool im glad they are resolving that Cliffhanger and continuing that spin off
Additionally On The Sirens of Audio podcast, Wendy Padbury she’s got unannounced stories recorded and has also recorded with Michael Troughton so i guess that means we are getting 2,Jamie and Zoe Stories this year
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Post by roosa88 on Jan 19, 2024 9:38:04 GMT
Is that obscure Big Finish news? Would have thought this belongs in the Big Finish updates thread. Aussiedoctorwhofan had already announced the release in that thread, which basically makes this just a tweet. My thoughts on seeing it was more to wonder what the obscure news in it was supposed to be. On reading Mark's post I thought it was obvious that the obscure Big Finish news here is that the tweet mentions "Our first @bigfinish of the year is out NOW". This was news to me as I don't think there has been any announcement yet of another 2024 Big Finish release written by this duo (you'll probably now all tell me I'm wrong about that )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 9:50:19 GMT
Aussiedoctorwhofan had already announced the release in that thread, which basically makes this just a tweet. My thoughts on seeing it was more to wonder what the obscure news in it was supposed to be. On reading Mark's post I thought it was obvious that the obscure Big Finish news here is that the tweet mentions "Our first @bigfinish of the year is out NOW". This was news to me as I don't think there has been any announcement yet of another 2024 Big Finish release written by this duo (you'll probably now all tell me I'm wrong about that ) My point is more that this was information already on the BF website, and that someone had already posted a link about the release. I don't count other people tweeting about BF products to actually be news unless they tell us something that wasn't already known.
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Post by nardolespinoffwhen on Jan 19, 2024 10:00:22 GMT
On reading Mark's post I thought it was obvious that the obscure Big Finish news here is that the tweet mentions "Our first @bigfinish of the year is out NOW". This was news to me as I don't think there has been any announcement yet of another 2024 Big Finish release written by this duo (you'll probably now all tell me I'm wrong about that ) My point is more that this was information already on the BF website, and that someone had already posted a link about the release. I don't count other people tweeting about BF products to actually be news unless they tell us something that wasn't already known. I think as Roosa says, the tweet in question does imply that this writing duo have more Torchwood releases to come this year which have yet to be announced/confirmed on the BF site. Perhaps this could have been made clearer in Mark's post sharing the tweet but I do think there is a good enough reason for it to be shared here. (Whether you consider this news worthy or not is up to each reader 😅)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 11:52:53 GMT
My point is more that this was information already on the BF website, and that someone had already posted a link about the release. I don't count other people tweeting about BF products to actually be news unless they tell us something that wasn't already known. I think as Roosa says, the tweet in question does imply that this writing duo have more Torchwood releases to come this year which have yet to be announced/confirmed on the BF site. Perhaps this could have been made clearer in Mark's post sharing the tweet but I do think there is a good enough reason for it to be shared here. (Whether you consider this news worthy or not is up to each reader 😅) Ah yes, Ok. Misread Roosa's post. As you say, maybe some better signposting by Mark would make posts clearer.
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Post by number13 on Jan 19, 2024 12:01:04 GMT
Aussiedoctorwhofan had already announced the release in that thread, which basically makes this just a tweet. My thoughts on seeing it was more to wonder what the obscure news in it was supposed to be. On reading Mark's post I thought it was obvious that the obscure Big Finish news here is that the tweet mentions "Our first @bigfinish of the year is out NOW". This was news to me as I don't think there has been any announcement yet of another 2024 Big Finish release written by this duo (you'll probably now all tell me I'm wrong about that ) Well spotted.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 19, 2024 12:07:21 GMT
Aussiedoctorwhofan had already announced the release in that thread, which basically makes this just a tweet. My thoughts on seeing it was more to wonder what the obscure news in it was supposed to be. On reading Mark's post I thought it was obvious that the obscure Big Finish news here is that the tweet mentions "Our first @bigfinish of the year is out NOW". This was news to me as I don't think there has been any announcement yet of another 2024 Big Finish release written by this duo (you'll probably now all tell me I'm wrong about that ) Correct rosa the obscure news "1st Release of the year" from that Writing as no later releases by that writing team are on the Website yet. Tweet was from the Author Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Jan 21, 2024 19:34:01 GMT
So couple of things
In the Tom Birthday Messages I observed
Colin and Nicola in Studio later then June last year
Miranda and Lisa at their homes
6th Doc 40th Anniversery ?
Also Helen Goldwyn was in it twice (once in studio with Lauran and a group of other Actors I don't recognise)
Elsewhere BF just Tweeted this
Susan due back again soon?
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Post by theillusiveman on Jan 22, 2024 8:53:04 GMT
So couple of things In the Tom Birthday Messages I observed Colin and Nicola in Studio later then June last year Miranda and Lisa at their homes 6th Doc 40th Anniversery ? Also Helen Goldwyn was in it twice (once in studio with Lauran and a group of other Actors I don't recognise) Elsewhere BF just Tweeted this Susan due back again soon? Regards mark687 Hmm perhaps they are recording one Boxset of 6&Peri for 2025A (unless it’s leftover recording needed for 2024 Boxsets) and a 6/Constances/Flip Boxset for 2025b Susan might be back for either Gallifrey War Room or 8th Doctor adventures time war Uncharted Part One though it would be cool if we got a second Susan’s war Boxset
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Post by mark687 on Jan 24, 2024 12:16:35 GMT
From the DWM 2024 Yearbook
Nick confirms that will Lost stories out this year
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Post by number13 on Jan 24, 2024 12:28:10 GMT
From the DWM 2024 Yearbook Nick confirms that will Lost stories out this year Regards mark687
Great news, a great range! I love the traditional TV vibe the actors and BF always bring to the old scripts & storylines. Any clues as to which Doctors, or titles?
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