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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 10, 2023 7:39:21 GMT
Something that was posted on another forum - I didn't personally see it, however someone I know and trust did , they took a screen cap and send to me to post on here.
"Supposedly on BF Producer's David O'Mahony's CV:
Doctor Who: The Lost Stories - Producer Director
Over the years, many stories have been pitched as production ideas for the Dr Who TV programme. These were never made for a raft of different reasons but through the medium of audio drama we can now give these wonderful stories a new lease of life, away from the canon Universe but drawing from the magic of Doctor Who".
and end quote.
Interesting..
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Post by mark687 on Sept 25, 2023 11:03:02 GMT
Last night some people found a "Dark Gallifrey" range and bundle pages on the BF website, which were quickly taken down. Wonder when we'll get official word about whatever that is.
Here it is.
Hopefully the link works.
Nope They really being secret and surprising choice for a new series as there a year gap between each War Room Regards mark687
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Post by sherlock on Sept 25, 2023 11:15:23 GMT
Last night some people found a "Dark Gallifrey" range and bundle pages on the BF website, which were quickly taken down. Wonder when we'll get official word about whatever that is.
Here it is.
Hopefully the link works.
Well that shows a Dark Gallifrey range does exist, but anything more is locked behind good old 404. It’d be nice for Gallifrey to go up to two releases a year, assuming this is a part of that range. Alternatively maybe this is another Unbound miniseries like Doctor of War?
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Post by martinw8686 on Sept 25, 2023 15:47:12 GMT
Here it is.
Hopefully the link works.
Well that shows a Dark Gallifrey range does exist, but anything more is locked behind good old 404. It’d be nice for Gallifrey to go up to two releases a year, assuming this is a part of that range. Alternatively maybe this is another Unbound miniseries like Doctor of War? I hope it's not like Doctor of War, in that I felt no connection to any of the central characters. There were plenty of great ideas in the two sets but for my own enjoyment I need to feel central characters are carrying the plot across the episodes. With Doctor of War I just didn't get the character piece I was hoping for.
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Post by grinch on Sept 25, 2023 16:54:07 GMT
Well that shows a Dark Gallifrey range does exist, but anything more is locked behind good old 404. It’d be nice for Gallifrey to go up to two releases a year, assuming this is a part of that range. Alternatively maybe this is another Unbound miniseries like Doctor of War? I hope it's not like Doctor of War, in that I felt no connection to any of the central characters. There were plenty of great ideas in the two sets but for my own enjoyment I need to feel central characters are carrying the plot across the episodes. With Doctor of War I just didn't get the character piece I was hoping for. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was the Suicide Squad esque story regarding Gallifrey’s Renegades which Nicholas Briggs was talking about at one point.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 26, 2023 22:28:58 GMT
Well the character has been teased in Once and Future already, and that would probably be best venue for her to tick off those last few Doctors… I think its more likely an error. It says she's worked with every doctor - unless Big Finish have got Jodie for O&F its just incorrect. Well the reason the Coda’s coming out an entire year later is still unknown, so perhaps. Or it is just an error.
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Post by enofa on Oct 1, 2023 15:39:35 GMT
That coda has a lot of hype to live up to. If it arrives next year and it’s just delayed because it’s got Mel in it or something there’s going to be such a huge collective shrug.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Oct 1, 2023 19:35:23 GMT
That coda has a lot of hype to live up to. If it arrives next year and it’s just delayed because it’s got Mel in it or something there’s going to be such a huge collective shrug. I'm guessing it's more likely to be some incarnation the Doctor Big Finish hasn't used yet and does not yet have the rights to - the most likely being the current 14th Doctor (David Tennant's return) though Jodie Whitaker and Jo Martin are alternative possibilities. Though that is just a guess and it could be another reason
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Post by sherlock on Oct 22, 2023 22:12:35 GMT
Maybe a little bit of hope that Class might have a future of sorts following Mowat’s audio earlier this year. Maybe.
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Post by xlozdob on Oct 29, 2023 10:04:48 GMT
A few rumors/ news I picked up at Timelash convention today. More in depth report in the convention/ Timelash thread. There I will also post pictures when back home. 1. According to Daisy Ashford, her dad ( Geoffrey Beevers) recorded more stories. He loves doing Big Finish and he absolutely loves playing his Master, where he gets to be pure evil. 2. Sadie Miller is writing stories herself, has done some Who stuff, is also writing novels and just finished a play which she is doing in a theater ( not Who). But she is thinking of doing something for Big Finish. 3. Tim Treloar said stories with Master are on table, but Delgado Master unlikely because Culshaw would have to do double duty. Someone mentioned Beevers, and we got a smile and a „perhaps“, also since Tim is friends with Sasha and Sasha Master stories are coming to Big Finish, this is also a possibility. You heard it here first. 4. News for TV series- apparently the Companion support group will get more screen time, especially Bonnie Langford. This was a bit hush- hush but Janet Fielding blurted it out before everyone could go „shhhhh!“ and „ don’t tell“. 5. Yasmin Bannerman has more stories recorded as Roz Forrester, so more of New Adventures 7Th Doctor stories underway. Recording was done only just recently. Both Beevers and Dhawan (and Jacobi please!) featuring in 3DAs would be delightful, especially since I could see Dhawan going back just to cause mischief for nostalgia of his own past, and Beevers’ Master would be quite frustrated to run into the Third Doctor! Doesn't even have to go back. He was trapped on Earth for 70 years before 2020.
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Post by muddyviolet on Nov 11, 2023 3:08:13 GMT
Which, to be frank, would actually be a good thing.... Recently, that has gone berserk.
I agree of course. Its got silly of late & increasingly lazy & predictable. Hopefully BF will grow up. I do think there is a place for them as special releases. But this year (particularly with Jackie Tyler meeting everyone under the sun) it's gone too far. Big Finish have always been at their best when not doing these stories. The recent 8th Doctor Boxset is my favourite set this year and its just 8 + Audacity. I think Once and Future particularly showed the issues of characters meeting one another with it feeling like only a few stories could properly play around with its cast too the fullest. I get that is probably a sales thing with characters meeting one-another selling well, but I'm glad it's ending as it'll hopefully lead too Big Finish being more creative.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Nov 11, 2023 5:30:56 GMT
I agree of course. Its got silly of late & increasingly lazy & predictable. Hopefully BF will grow up. I do think there is a place for them as special releases. But this year (particularly with Jackie Tyler meeting everyone under the sun) it's gone too far. Big Finish have always been at their best when not doing these stories. The recent 8th Doctor Boxset is my favourite set this year and its just 8 + Audacity. I think Once and Future particularly showed the issues of characters meeting one another with it feeling like only a few stories could properly play around with its cast too the fullest. I get that is probably a sales thing with characters meeting one-another selling well, but I'm glad it's ending as it'll hopefully lead too Big Finish being more creative. See, I think people MASSIVELY overestimate this stuff. Let's actually go through this year's full-cast DW and Worlds of DW releases that have been released so far: For this I'll make note of returning characters/villains outside of regular companions, as well as direct crossovers. {Spoiler tagging it because there are minor spoilers.} January - Friend of the Family - No crossovers. No returning. - Cass - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Alex Campbell, and Cass. - Secret Diary of a Rhodian Prince - No crossovers. Return of the Chair. February - Shades of Fear - No crossovers. Return of Vashta Nerada. - The Demon Song - No crossovers. No returning. - All of Time and Space - No crossovers. No returning. - The Return of Jo Jones - No crossovers. Return of older Jo Jones. March - New Frontiers - No crossovers. Return of Ice Warriors. - Strange Chemistry - Crossover Missy/Amelia Pond. No other returning. April - Conflicts of Interest - No crossovers. No returning. - The Robots 6 - Crossover Liv/Robots of Death (obviously). No other returning. - Beyond Bannerman Road - Crossover Rani/Tyler Steele. Return of Clyde, Gita. May - Past Lives - Crossover 4/Kate/Osgood. Return of Monk. - Pioneers - No crossovers. Return of Callen, Doyle, giant maggots. - Comrades-in-Arms - Crossover War/Veklin. Return of Daleks, Case. - Purity Unleashed - No crossovers. Return of Purity. - Daleks! Genesis of Terror - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Davros. June - Solitary Confinement - No crossovers. No returning. - The Ark - No crossovers. No returning. - The Artist at the End of Time - Crossover 5/Jenny. Return of Curator. - Angels and Demons - No crossovers. Return of Weeping Angels. - Far From Home - Crossover 7/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vashta Nerada. July - Masters of Time - Crossover UNIT/Missy/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vulpreen, - A Genius for War - Crossover 7/Veklin/General. Return of Davros, Daleks. - James Robert McCrimmon - No crossovers. Return of older Jamie, Raven, Krynoids. August - Travel in Hope - No crossovers. Return of Alpha Centauri, Ice Warriors. - Two's Company - Crossover 6/Jackie/Christina. Return of older Harry, the Two. - The Orphan Quartet - Crossover River/Jackie. Return of Krotons, Brooke. - Purity Unbound - No crossovers. Return of Purity. September - In the Night - No crossovers. No returning. - The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 - Crossover 10/Paternoster Gang. Return of Missy. - Trapped - No crossovers. No returning. - Dying Hours - Crossover Doom/8/Charley. Return of Jackie, Silence, Daleks' Master Plan characters. - Manoeuvres - No crossovers. Return of Daleks. October - Time Lord Immemorial - Crossover 9/Unbound. Return of Liv, Lumiat. - Intelligence for War - No crossovers. No returning. - Rogues Gallery - Crossover Paternoster Gang/Ellie. Return of 8. - The Union - Crossover 8/4/River. Return of Susan, the Union, the Monk. November - Audacity - No crossovers. Return of Cybermen, Charley. - Rogue Encounters - Crossover War Master/Bilis. Return of Yana, Daleks.
As you can see, it's really not as bad as people make out - and I was generous with some of those returning characters. I get that stuff like Once and Future does a lot of crossing over, but it's an anniversary series! Why not? The majority of other ranges are mostly self-contained - though obviously Daleks and Time Lord characters will show up in Time War stories etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 5:54:40 GMT
I think you're making the opposite point you're trying to putting it so easily to skim month by month. How many months feature less than two crossovers or returning elements? Or how many feature ones that don't feel organic? Jackie Tyler and River Song took on Krotons this year. Can you think of a more dartboard aproach to picking what to do than that?
And it's not JUST crossovers. Don't get hung up on that - Charley isn't a crossover in Audacity, she's returning from early in her own run with the same Doctor. But in a range called "a bold new era" they went one story without sidelining the new companion for most of the Cyberman story and then bringing Charley in at the end. Charley who was in a crossover 2 months earlier with Doom. And a returning box set last year with her Doctor. And she's not even part of the Once And Future stuff..
Check out an average release month from back in the day with the main range, a Benny, a companion chronicle and I promise you there was a lot less head scratching going on. This never used to be a subject of discussion till...I don't know- the 3rd time River appeared with McGann? UNIT taking on all the Masters less than a year after River took on the exact same lineup?
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 11, 2023 9:06:16 GMT
I think you're making the opposite point you're trying to putting it so easily to skim month by month. How many months feature less than two crossovers or returning elements? Or how many feature ones that don't feel organic? Jackie Tyler and River Song took on Krotons this year. Can you think of a more dartboard aproach to picking what to do than that? And it's not JUST crossovers. Don't get hung up on that - Charley isn't a crossover in Audacity, she's returning from early in her own run with the same Doctor. But in a range called "a bold new era" they went one story without sidelining the new companion for most of the Cyberman story and then bringing Charley in at the end. Charley who was in a crossover 2 months earlier with Doom. And a returning box set last year with her Doctor. And she's not even part of the Once And Future stuff.. Check out an average release month from back in the day with the main range, a Benny, a companion chronicle and I promise you there was a lot less head scratching going on. This never used to be a subject of discussion till...I don't know- the 3rd time River appeared with McGann? UNIT taking on all the Masters less than a year after River took on the exact same lineup? And all this X meets Y to run into Z- is NOT working for me.
What were the most memorable stories for me in the past 12 months? - Torchwood with Billis Manger - Albie's Angels (from 8DA) - River "Friend of the Family" - The 3rd Doctor stories - The Paternoster Gang (Trespassers 1 was easily better than Heritage 3+4).
Of these, only the Paternosters featured the 8th Doctor attending the wedding (he was sidelined for most of the story completely).
I just enjoy original stories, and, if possible, with an emotional punch.
Once and Future did nothing for me and I found it pretty tedious for most of the run-time. There was nothing new and original in there. And I gladly missed out on the Jackie meets everyone (the last River set was the only one I did not buy, and I feel no need to do so).
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Post by timleschild on Nov 11, 2023 11:23:51 GMT
The recent 8th Doctor Boxset is my favourite set this year and its just 8 + Audacity.[. & then that character turns up at the end! So this bold new era was just fro 2 stories!
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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2023 12:48:07 GMT
I do think there is a place for them as special releases. But this year (particularly with Jackie Tyler meeting everyone under the sun) it's gone too far. Big Finish have always been at their best when not doing these stories. The recent 8th Doctor Boxset is my favourite set this year and its just 8 + Audacity. I think Once and Future particularly showed the issues of characters meeting one another with it feeling like only a few stories could properly play around with its cast too the fullest. I get that is probably a sales thing with characters meeting one-another selling well, but I'm glad it's ending as it'll hopefully lead too Big Finish being more creative. See, I think people MASSIVELY overestimate this stuff. Let's actually go through this year's full-cast DW and Worlds of DW releases that have been released so far: For this I'll make note of returning characters/villains outside of regular companions, as well as direct crossovers. {Spoiler tagging it because there are minor spoilers.} January - Friend of the Family - No crossovers. No returning. - Cass - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Alex Campbell, and Cass. - Secret Diary of a Rhodian Prince - No crossovers. Return of the Chair. February - Shades of Fear - No crossovers. Return of Vashta Nerada. - The Demon Song - No crossovers. No returning. - All of Time and Space - No crossovers. No returning. - The Return of Jo Jones - No crossovers. Return of older Jo Jones. March - New Frontiers - No crossovers. Return of Ice Warriors. - Strange Chemistry - Crossover Missy/Amelia Pond. No other returning. April - Conflicts of Interest - No crossovers. No returning. - The Robots 6 - Crossover Liv/Robots of Death (obviously). No other returning. - Beyond Bannerman Road - Crossover Rani/Tyler Steele. Return of Clyde, Gita. May - Past Lives - Crossover 4/Kate/Osgood. Return of Monk. - Pioneers - No crossovers. Return of Callen, Doyle, giant maggots. - Comrades-in-Arms - Crossover War/Veklin. Return of Daleks, Case. - Purity Unleashed - No crossovers. Return of Purity. - Daleks! Genesis of Terror - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Davros. June - Solitary Confinement - No crossovers. No returning. - The Ark - No crossovers. No returning. - The Artist at the End of Time - Crossover 5/Jenny. Return of Curator. - Angels and Demons - No crossovers. Return of Weeping Angels. - Far From Home - Crossover 7/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vashta Nerada. July - Masters of Time - Crossover UNIT/Missy/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vulpreen, - A Genius for War - Crossover 7/Veklin/General. Return of Davros, Daleks. - James Robert McCrimmon - No crossovers. Return of older Jamie, Raven, Krynoids. August - Travel in Hope - No crossovers. Return of Alpha Centauri, Ice Warriors. - Two's Company - Crossover 6/Jackie/Christina. Return of older Harry, the Two. - The Orphan Quartet - Crossover River/Jackie. Return of Krotons, Brooke. - Purity Unbound - No crossovers. Return of Purity. September - In the Night - No crossovers. No returning. - The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 - Crossover 10/Paternoster Gang. Return of Missy. - Trapped - No crossovers. No returning. - Dying Hours - Crossover Doom/8/Charley. Return of Jackie, Silence, Daleks' Master Plan characters. - Manoeuvres - No crossovers. Return of Daleks. October - Time Lord Immemorial - Crossover 9/Unbound. Return of Liv, Lumiat. - Intelligence for War - No crossovers. No returning. - Rogues Gallery - Crossover Paternoster Gang/Ellie. Return of 8. - The Union - Crossover 8/4/River. Return of Susan, the Union, the Monk. November - Audacity - No crossovers. Return of Cybermen, Charley. - Rogue Encounters - Crossover War Master/Bilis. Return of Yana, Daleks.
As you can see, it's really not as bad as people make out - and I was generous with some of those returning characters. I get that stuff like Once and Future does a lot of crossing over, but it's an anniversary series! Why not? The majority of other ranges are mostly self-contained - though obviously Daleks and Time Lord characters will show up in Time War stories etc. Some objective common sense shown there Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 13:01:15 GMT
See, I think people MASSIVELY overestimate this stuff. Let's actually go through this year's full-cast DW and Worlds of DW releases that have been released so far: For this I'll make note of returning characters/villains outside of regular companions, as well as direct crossovers. {Spoiler tagging it because there are minor spoilers.} January - Friend of the Family - No crossovers. No returning. - Cass - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Alex Campbell, and Cass. - Secret Diary of a Rhodian Prince - No crossovers. Return of the Chair. February - Shades of Fear - No crossovers. Return of Vashta Nerada. - The Demon Song - No crossovers. No returning. - All of Time and Space - No crossovers. No returning. - The Return of Jo Jones - No crossovers. Return of older Jo Jones. March - New Frontiers - No crossovers. Return of Ice Warriors. - Strange Chemistry - Crossover Missy/Amelia Pond. No other returning. April - Conflicts of Interest - No crossovers. No returning. - The Robots 6 - Crossover Liv/Robots of Death (obviously). No other returning. - Beyond Bannerman Road - Crossover Rani/Tyler Steele. Return of Clyde, Gita. May - Past Lives - Crossover 4/Kate/Osgood. Return of Monk. - Pioneers - No crossovers. Return of Callen, Doyle, giant maggots. - Comrades-in-Arms - Crossover War/Veklin. Return of Daleks, Case. - Purity Unleashed - No crossovers. Return of Purity. - Daleks! Genesis of Terror - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Davros. June - Solitary Confinement - No crossovers. No returning. - The Ark - No crossovers. No returning. - The Artist at the End of Time - Crossover 5/Jenny. Return of Curator. - Angels and Demons - No crossovers. Return of Weeping Angels. - Far From Home - Crossover 7/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vashta Nerada. July - Masters of Time - Crossover UNIT/Missy/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vulpreen, - A Genius for War - Crossover 7/Veklin/General. Return of Davros, Daleks. - James Robert McCrimmon - No crossovers. Return of older Jamie, Raven, Krynoids. August - Travel in Hope - No crossovers. Return of Alpha Centauri, Ice Warriors. - Two's Company - Crossover 6/Jackie/Christina. Return of older Harry, the Two. - The Orphan Quartet - Crossover River/Jackie. Return of Krotons, Brooke. - Purity Unbound - No crossovers. Return of Purity. September - In the Night - No crossovers. No returning. - The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 - Crossover 10/Paternoster Gang. Return of Missy. - Trapped - No crossovers. No returning. - Dying Hours - Crossover Doom/8/Charley. Return of Jackie, Silence, Daleks' Master Plan characters. - Manoeuvres - No crossovers. Return of Daleks. October - Time Lord Immemorial - Crossover 9/Unbound. Return of Liv, Lumiat. - Intelligence for War - No crossovers. No returning. - Rogues Gallery - Crossover Paternoster Gang/Ellie. Return of 8. - The Union - Crossover 8/4/River. Return of Susan, the Union, the Monk. November - Audacity - No crossovers. Return of Cybermen, Charley. - Rogue Encounters - Crossover War Master/Bilis. Return of Yana, Daleks.
As you can see, it's really not as bad as people make out - and I was generous with some of those returning characters. I get that stuff like Once and Future does a lot of crossing over, but it's an anniversary series! Why not? The majority of other ranges are mostly self-contained - though obviously Daleks and Time Lord characters will show up in Time War stories etc. Some objective common sense shown there Regards mark687 That, presumably, came off worse than you meant as by default those of us like Tuigirl, Shalla, Lidar and myself disagreeing with the consistent flow of BF releases featuring "gimmicks" aren't showing common sense. And objectivity? We're fans - talking about what we like or don't like in what we pay for is subjective.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 11, 2023 13:11:39 GMT
Which, to be frank, would actually be a good thing.... Recently, that has gone berserk.
I have to agree. I’ve taken quite a break from BF of late. Must start relistening to the older stuff. Nearly recovered enough to do so I think. I miss the old box set format too (while I’m on a roll…) I do love this forum though and have been lurking! Same here- my interest in BF was pretty much non existent for 6 months of this year.
Well, if you are looking for a really REALLY good box set of stories without any annoying crossovers, I cannot recommend River Song "Friend of the Family" enough. One of the best releases in years.
Hope you will find some stuff that will keep your interest.
Maybe just avoid the Once and Future series.
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Post by muddyviolet on Nov 11, 2023 21:13:58 GMT
I do think there is a place for them as special releases. But this year (particularly with Jackie Tyler meeting everyone under the sun) it's gone too far. Big Finish have always been at their best when not doing these stories. The recent 8th Doctor Boxset is my favourite set this year and its just 8 + Audacity. I think Once and Future particularly showed the issues of characters meeting one another with it feeling like only a few stories could properly play around with its cast too the fullest. I get that is probably a sales thing with characters meeting one-another selling well, but I'm glad it's ending as it'll hopefully lead too Big Finish being more creative. See, I think people MASSIVELY overestimate this stuff. Let's actually go through this year's full-cast DW and Worlds of DW releases that have been released so far: For this I'll make note of returning characters/villains outside of regular companions, as well as direct crossovers. {Spoiler tagging it because there are minor spoilers.} January - Friend of the Family - No crossovers. No returning. - Cass - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Alex Campbell, and Cass. - Secret Diary of a Rhodian Prince - No crossovers. Return of the Chair. February - Shades of Fear - No crossovers. Return of Vashta Nerada. - The Demon Song - No crossovers. No returning. - All of Time and Space - No crossovers. No returning. - The Return of Jo Jones - No crossovers. Return of older Jo Jones. March - New Frontiers - No crossovers. Return of Ice Warriors. - Strange Chemistry - Crossover Missy/Amelia Pond. No other returning. April - Conflicts of Interest - No crossovers. No returning. - The Robots 6 - Crossover Liv/Robots of Death (obviously). No other returning. - Beyond Bannerman Road - Crossover Rani/Tyler Steele. Return of Clyde, Gita. May - Past Lives - Crossover 4/Kate/Osgood. Return of Monk. - Pioneers - No crossovers. Return of Callen, Doyle, giant maggots. - Comrades-in-Arms - Crossover War/Veklin. Return of Daleks, Case. - Purity Unleashed - No crossovers. Return of Purity. - Daleks! Genesis of Terror - No crossovers. Return of Daleks, Davros. June - Solitary Confinement - No crossovers. No returning. - The Ark - No crossovers. No returning. - The Artist at the End of Time - Crossover 5/Jenny. Return of Curator. - Angels and Demons - No crossovers. Return of Weeping Angels. - Far From Home - Crossover 7/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vashta Nerada. July - Masters of Time - Crossover UNIT/Missy/Harry/Naomi. Return of Vulpreen, - A Genius for War - Crossover 7/Veklin/General. Return of Davros, Daleks. - James Robert McCrimmon - No crossovers. Return of older Jamie, Raven, Krynoids. August - Travel in Hope - No crossovers. Return of Alpha Centauri, Ice Warriors. - Two's Company - Crossover 6/Jackie/Christina. Return of older Harry, the Two. - The Orphan Quartet - Crossover River/Jackie. Return of Krotons, Brooke. - Purity Unbound - No crossovers. Return of Purity. September - In the Night - No crossovers. No returning. - The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 - Crossover 10/Paternoster Gang. Return of Missy. - Trapped - No crossovers. No returning. - Dying Hours - Crossover Doom/8/Charley. Return of Jackie, Silence, Daleks' Master Plan characters. - Manoeuvres - No crossovers. Return of Daleks. October - Time Lord Immemorial - Crossover 9/Unbound. Return of Liv, Lumiat. - Intelligence for War - No crossovers. No returning. - Rogues Gallery - Crossover Paternoster Gang/Ellie. Return of 8. - The Union - Crossover 8/4/River. Return of Susan, the Union, the Monk. November - Audacity - No crossovers. Return of Cybermen, Charley. - Rogue Encounters - Crossover War Master/Bilis. Return of Yana, Daleks.
As you can see, it's really not as bad as people make out - and I was generous with some of those returning characters. I get that stuff like Once and Future does a lot of crossing over, but it's an anniversary series! Why not? The majority of other ranges are mostly self-contained - though obviously Daleks and Time Lord characters will show up in Time War stories etc. Okay so I decided to do some basic maths and look at each story you listed as a cross overs average ratings on the site **** ****** compared to non crossovers to see if it was quality thing. On average non-crossovers the average was 7.6, for crossovers was 7.9. So crossovers often lead to marginally better stories. As someone against crossovers I think this might be more a feeling of being burnt out of them after Once And Future then people actually being annoyed with crossovers. I should say my maths isn't perfect as I used boxset ratings rather than their individual stores. However, this does seem to suggest crossovers are not only popular but also better. If it wasn't for the 60th Aniversary releases (Dooms Day and O+F) the amount of crossovers would have been significantly less. So I think I was wrong, crossovers aren't as big of an issue as I thought.
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Post by kipperserver on Nov 12, 2023 0:38:42 GMT
I think you're making the opposite point you're trying to putting it so easily to skim month by month. How many months feature less than two crossovers or returning elements? Or how many feature ones that don't feel organic? Jackie Tyler and River Song took on Krotons this year. Can you think of a more dartboard aproach to picking what to do than that? And it's not JUST crossovers. Don't get hung up on that - Charley isn't a crossover in Audacity, she's returning from early in her own run with the same Doctor. But in a range called "a bold new era" they went one story without sidelining the new companion for most of the Cyberman story and then bringing Charley in at the end. Charley who was in a crossover 2 months earlier with Doom. And a returning box set last year with her Doctor. And she's not even part of the Once And Future stuff.. Check out an average release month from back in the day with the main range, a Benny, a companion chronicle and I promise you there was a lot less head scratching going on. This never used to be a subject of discussion till...I don't know- the 3rd time River appeared with McGann? UNIT taking on all the Masters less than a year after River took on the exact same lineup? Where does it say "a bold new era"?
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