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Post by CookieMaster on Jul 18, 2016 11:45:03 GMT
As far as i am aware, Duke of Dominoes, has no interactions between the Delgado Master and the 4th Doctor, unless being trodden on counts as interaction? So that could easily just be Delgado's Master almost running into a future version of the Doctor.
What are the specific stories that take place after The Green Death that feature both the 3rd Doctor and the Delgado Master? I can't really find any BBC books or BF:Short trips stories that are set afterward.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 18, 2016 20:21:59 GMT
Speaking as someone who regards the TV & Big Finish audio adventures as one big continuity, and even that is a stretch at times and everything else as their own thing, I have no idea how it would work but short of striking lightning and finding an actor who can do for the Delgado Master what Tim Trelor has done for the Pertwee Doctor, I'd love to see BF use the Beevers Master in the Third Doctor range.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 23:39:50 GMT
Wonderful epic blockbuster celeberation of The Doctor's Moriarty with a nicely played twist. Loved the dark twist on the multi-Doctor interactions as well.
"Don't worry, you'll be me!" - JOHN DORNEY, WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR BRAIN?
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Post by dorney on Jul 25, 2016 16:25:42 GMT
Wonderful epic blockbuster celeberation of The Doctor's Moriarty with a nicely played twist. Loved the dark twist on the multi-Doctor interactions as well.
"Don't worry, you'll be me!" - JOHN DORNEY, WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR BRAIN? Damned if I know!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 19:07:54 GMT
Wonderful epic blockbuster celeberation of The Doctor's Moriarty with a nicely played twist. Loved the dark twist on the multi-Doctor interactions as well.
"Don't worry, you'll be me!" - JOHN DORNEY, WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR BRAIN? Damned if I know! Are you actually the John Dorney? Your mind is a terrifying and delightful place to visit.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 26, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
The TV series has a lot to live up to as they bring us a multi-master story this coming Saturday.
I love Steven Moffat's writing, but I very much doubt that his Two Master story could possibly surpass this audio.
(I feel bad that I waited for a sale before I bought this trilogy..)
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Post by mrperson on Jun 26, 2017 21:32:44 GMT
You know, it occurs to me, this must mean that Beavers' master never remembered why he was all burnt up.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 26, 2017 21:43:37 GMT
Two Masters.......WE DID IT FIRST!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 22:02:59 GMT
Two Masters....... WE DID IT FIRST!!!! "Big Finish... We Did it First"
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Post by mark687 on Jun 26, 2017 22:06:28 GMT
"Big Finish... We Did it First"
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"The BBC....Only After We Gave You Permission To" I WAS going to put that
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 26, 2017 23:20:22 GMT
I'd love to know how far out BF submitted their plans for The Two Masters trilogy in relation to Moffat's plans and if the submission went in before he realized he would be staying on after The Husbands of River Song. And would that submission been rejected if Moffat knew he was doing his own Two Masters storyline.
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Post by x2magneto on Jun 27, 2017 2:58:53 GMT
Regarding the possibility of an early Beevers Master appearing with Treolar's Third Doctor, I e-mailed Big Finish about this continuity point in connection to the fact the there are several existing stories that feature Delgado's Master with the Third Doctor in a time set after The Green Death, as well as a short story with Delgado's Master taking place during the Fourth Doctor's time with Sarah Jane. The very kind reply to my message neither confirmed nor denied any such meetings with Beevers and Treolar will occur (although I think that likely they will happen at some point). However it also acknowledged an awareness of those later Pertwee & Tom Baker/Delgado stories, which essentially indicate that Delgado is still present as the Master at least some ways into the Fourth Doctor's era. Therefore, unlike the PDA Legacy of the Daleks, which The Two Masters clearly avoids, no other existing Roger Delgado stories in the late 3rd and early 4th Doctor eras will be disregarded. My belief from this e-mail is that should Beevers's early Master encounter Treolar's voicing of the Third Doctor then it will be treated, explicitly or implicitly, as a non-linear Doctor/Master conflict while Delgado is the Master, much like with the out-of-sequence encounters between the two Time Lords in The Two Masters trilogy and in Jago and Litefoot Series 11. As for Beevers with the Fourth Doctor audios, given that a full cast adventure set in seasons 12 and 13 are highly unlikely to appear from Big Finish, and further Tom Baker/Beevers stories are much more likely to happen post-The Deadly Assassin, I think that a more probable place where the healthy Beevers Master may encounter Tom's Doctor could be the Short Trips stories, much like Rufus Hound's Monk is appearing in a 3rd and 4th Doctor era setting in two such upcoming Short Trips where the full-cast option is unavailable. So, all in all, I think more early adventures with Beevers' healthy Master are very likely, but for those, like myself, who note previous continuity that Delgado is the Master throughout the remainder of Pertwee's Doctor era as well as early into Tom Baker's era, need not worry that those stories are due for an over-write. As for the War Chief being the Master, I certainly believe so and I long for the day when a Big Finish does too! The easiest way to employ the Beevers Master in 3rd doctor stories would be to launch off of the prehaps unintended admission by THE TWO MASTERS that his Master was fully formed at one point, which contradicts the idea that Delgado was the final incarnation and that Pratt/Beevers were still technically Delgado. Prehaps this is an opportunity to establish a previously unseen backstory for this crispy critter and promote BFs continuity which has already broken off from the "Susan maimed Delgado" scenario. Wouldn't be the first time BF pulled the trigger on their own version of events. I really dig what you are suggesting and hope to see what you suggest come to fruition.
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Post by dorney on Jun 27, 2017 9:44:34 GMT
I'd love to know how far out BF submitted their plans for The Two Masters trilogy in relation to Moffat's plans and if the submission went in before he realized he would be staying on after The Husbands of River Song. And would that submission been rejected if Moffat knew he was doing his own Two Masters storyline. I think I was briefed well over two years ago, if that helps.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 28, 2017 6:57:27 GMT
Regarding the possibility of an early Beevers Master appearing with Treolar's Third Doctor, I e-mailed Big Finish about this continuity point in connection to the fact the there are several existing stories that feature Delgado's Master with the Third Doctor in a time set after The Green Death, as well as a short story with Delgado's Master taking place during the Fourth Doctor's time with Sarah Jane. The very kind reply to my message neither confirmed nor denied any such meetings with Beevers and Treolar will occur (although I think that likely they will happen at some point). However it also acknowledged an awareness of those later Pertwee & Tom Baker/Delgado stories, which essentially indicate that Delgado is still present as the Master at least some ways into the Fourth Doctor's era. Therefore, unlike the PDA Legacy of the Daleks, which The Two Masters clearly avoids, no other existing Roger Delgado stories in the late 3rd and early 4th Doctor eras will be disregarded. My belief from this e-mail is that should Beevers's early Master encounter Treolar's voicing of the Third Doctor then it will be treated, explicitly or implicitly, as a non-linear Doctor/Master conflict while Delgado is the Master, much like with the out-of-sequence encounters between the two Time Lords in The Two Masters trilogy and in Jago and Litefoot Series 11. As for Beevers with the Fourth Doctor audios, given that a full cast adventure set in seasons 12 and 13 are highly unlikely to appear from Big Finish, and further Tom Baker/Beevers stories are much more likely to happen post-The Deadly Assassin, I think that a more probable place where the healthy Beevers Master may encounter Tom's Doctor could be the Short Trips stories, much like Rufus Hound's Monk is appearing in a 3rd and 4th Doctor era setting in two such upcoming Short Trips where the full-cast option is unavailable. So, all in all, I think more early adventures with Beevers' healthy Master are very likely, but for those, like myself, who note previous continuity that Delgado is the Master throughout the remainder of Pertwee's Doctor era as well as early into Tom Baker's era, need not worry that those stories are due for an over-write. As for the War Chief being the Master, I certainly believe so and I long for the day when a Big Finish does too! The easiest way to employ the Beevers Master in 3rd doctor stories would be to launch off of the prehaps unintended admission by THE TWO MASTERS that his Master was fully formed at one point, which contradicts the idea that Delgado was the final incarnation and that Pratt/Beevers were still technically Delgado. Prehaps this is an opportunity to establish a previously unseen backstory for this crispy critter and promote BFs continuity which has already broken off from the "Susan maimed Delgado" scenario. Wouldn't be the first time BF pulled the trigger on their own version of events. I really dig what you are suggesting and hope to see what you suggest come to fruition. I would love to hear more Third Doctor and Master stories especially after hearing the rather wonderful Harvest of Time. And a pre-undead Beevers Master would make a lot of sense. Oh imagine the joy if the next set had one story with the Cybermen and one with the Master...or just one story with them all in!
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Post by CookieMaster on Jun 28, 2017 9:24:56 GMT
I'm getting Geoffrey Beevers withdrawal symptoms, so i hope he returns soon.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 28, 2017 20:06:52 GMT
Big Finish could easily create a brand new incarnation of The Master that comes after Delgado's but precedes Beevers'. Heck there could be several incarnations in between Delgado and Beevers. Alternatively a pre-decayed version of Beevers' Master is also possible.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 28, 2017 22:24:31 GMT
Big Finish could easily create a brand new incarnation of The Master that comes after Delgado's but precedes Beevers'. Heck there could be several incarnations in between Delgado and Beevers. Alternatively a pre-decayed version of Beevers' Master is also possible. Big Finish could also create a version of The Master which predates Delgado. We have no idea which incarnation of The Master Delgado is.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 28, 2017 22:46:35 GMT
I'm getting Geoffrey Beevers withdrawal symptoms, so i hope he returns soon. And I think I'd also really prefer this to the creation of another non-TV Master. I suppose they can't use McQueen without a memory-wipe gimmick or other gimmick (ie, River not directly interacting with a pre-11 incarnation but being in the episode), but really, let's use the awesome original series master we've got while we have him!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 5, 2017 22:22:10 GMT
I was surprised how much this release felt more like a new series story rather than a classic series serial. It seemed to go at a very quick pace. I enjoyed it a lot, even if the body-swapping felt like an unnecessary complication to the plot.
It's intriguing how similar the Multi-Master dynamic is to the TV Multi-Master dynamic in World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 6, 2017 3:06:12 GMT
So is the resemblance between the Cult of the Heretic and a certain other faction of paradoxical followers of a renegade Time Lord sheer coincidence or is this a reverse of the "Great Houses" situation? I know my head canon has them a splinter group, since they seem to line up so well.
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