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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 1:39:42 GMT
I really enjoyed Voyager and stuck through it right to the end, but I agree that they played it a bit too safe all the way through. I think it may be a reflection of the fact it is a US show, and US TV royalty at that, that they didn't want to make it more confrontational and difficult. Something a bit less controlled than the model where every episode 'resets' at the end to the original mission home would potentially have been far more compelling, even if it made the characters a bit less cuddly. You've hit the nail on the head there. It was the flagship show of the United Paramount Network that was just taking its first steps out into the world of competitive commercial television and they thought that if they replicated TNG down to the last detail, they'd would have another winner on their hands. The problem was that they forgot that TNG was allowed to have continuity between its episodes, even if it was only in that X-Files sort of way where you could tune in to the next chapter in the arc without having to do any prerequisite watching like "Sins of the Father" and "Reunion" for the "Redemption" two-parter. I think what the producers forgot was that you could do a desperate struggle against all odds and not turn it into the grim!dark Battlestar Galactica. It could be about the strength of the humanoid spirit and having the courage to see that journey to the end. Even if our heroes err and falter. I'm really interested by your writing project. How far have you gotten? I've been at it for quite some time now, so I've managed to write a writer's bible of eight seasons and a film. For scale, each episode is a paragraph with some adapted from other stories I've stumbled across while strolling through the net. I've also tried to give the cast a boost to those little moments characters have that make them more human. For example, Janeway brews her own coffee in this version, so when the ship is swept across space and time, there's this continuing quest for her to find a coffee substitute made from alien ingredients. When she gets back home, she finds she can't stomach the actual taste of real homebrew coffee because she's been in the Delta Quadrant for too long. Here's a shortlist of all the episodes in the first two seasons: {Season 1}The Journey to Ithaca Straight on Till Morning The Etana Lament Thus Spake the Mountain From an Antique Land The Velveteen Raven The Crucible Through the Empire of Glass The Sentana Contagion The Sojourner's Truth Writing on the Wall Writing on the Wall II Upon Your Sword The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Chaotica! The Wishing Star I Have Learned Silence Children of the Sleeping City Theatre of the Mind The Cold Equations Requiem Dividia The Thaw At the Summit of Judgement Raisins and Almonds The Omega Directive Death Shall Have Dominion {Season 2}Death Shall Have Dominion II Uneasy Lies the Head My Soul From Out That Shadow Eyes Within Eyes Dr. Chaotica Must Live! To the Death of Idle Kings Miles To Go Before I Sleep The Jigsaw Man The Massacre Why With Such Dark Flames Accusations from the Past Prey Soldier from Eternity Folkways Value Judgements Counterpoint Diffidence in a Fistful of Dust The Reason of the Place The Reason of the Place II Dare Seize the Fire Threnody Dr. Chaotica and the Terror from Beyond Space! On the Shores of the Cosmic Ocean The Barge of the Dead Where I Live Unto the World Let the World Slip...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 16, 2016 7:28:10 GMT
One thing I would have done with Voyager is have them cross the Prime Directive line "out of necessity" in the season 2 finale, and have the dramatic tension of season 3 being "do we go on doing it?" And "was Janeway right to do so?" Resolve the Marquis issue only for new factions to form after Janeway throws the rules out the window in order to survive.
I'd have had thr balls to have ongoing damage/repairs going on, which would have required only chronological episode filming (ie if you set fire to corridor A in episode 10, it's still damaged in episodes 11 and 12 because they were filmed after episode 10). I'd have also have kept Species 8472 as The Threat, because Q always said the Borg was but ONE of the many threats in the big bad Galaxy in QWho, not "the worst threat in all reality".
No Seven (sorry, she's an excellent actor). No "ditch Kes". Play up the "is the EMH alive or a just clever tool?" question.
Have her accept Q's offer of a trip home, only to end up in the middle of the Dominion War.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 16, 2016 9:58:35 GMT
I'm not at all sure about the factions thing (marquis or other) the crews primary aim is to survive, and whilst there will be many opinions about what that means, the minute an external threat appears the crew would unite and bond, the crew are very alone and in very large, very alien and really quite hostile space. So long as the external threats appear larger and more threatening than Janeway and the executive crew, the crew as a whole would naturally present outsiders with a united front even if internally they argue.
You only need to look at what The British did during World War II to see that effect, the country, almost without so much as whimper from anyone as they signed up (or acquiesced) to the suspension of democracy, a parliamentary dictatorship and interment without trial, Britain was never before and never since so British yet so readily turned it's back on what many think of as British principles. Magna Carta be damned.
The Voyager crew is even more isolated, even more threatened and even more fearful than The British were in WWII, and that would colour and shape everything they did and accepted on the ship. They would be more Starfleet than Starfleet ever was, but they would also be totally ready to throw what they see as problematic Starfleet principles straight down the garbage shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 11:15:45 GMT
Be warned. TL;DR incoming. One thing I would have done with Voyager is have them cross the Prime Directive line "out of necessity" in the season 2 finale, and have the dramatic tension of season 3 being "do we go on doing it?" And "was Janeway right to do so?" Resolve the Marquis issue only for new factions to form after Janeway throws the rules out the window in order to survive. [...] No Seven (sorry, she's an excellent actor). No "ditch Kes". Play up the "is the EMH alive or a just clever tool?" question. Have her accept Q's offer of a trip home, only to end up in the middle of the Dominion War. I had her decisions get a lot of heat from crewmen until eventually at the midway mark of Season 1, her replicator is sabotaged and blows up in her face, nearly killing her outright. It's all kept under wraps to prevent things from escalating out of control, except that one thing leads to another and boom, there's a mutiny. Turns out the man responsible for it is the Betazed psychopath Lon Suder and he didn't do it for any reason other than that she maybe looked at him the wrong way once. I pinched Steve Lyons's rather excellent idea for Killing Ground with the Delta Quadrant by having the entire sector set up as an interstellar farm for the Borg to assimilate new technologies and add to their ranks. Almost every world in the sector has been scarred in some way by the Collective and there are a few scattered refugee fleets who survive primarily because they have such primitive (and therefore uninteresting) level of applied science knowledge. I actually had Seven join the crew from the start as Annika who is closer to the Seven we see in the first few episodes where she's shy with people and impulsive with her actions, as a child would be. It's only later when she's reassimilated and again freed that she loses the rest of that humanity and becomes the proud wolf, so you get the additional tragedy that Annika "dies" mid-series and becomes Seven of Nine. Neelix would be relegated to the position of a recurring character and Kes would assume a permanent position onboard the ship as their telepath (ala Lyta Alexander from Babylon 5). I was always very wary about tying together Voyager with any of the other series as I wanted it to stand on its own and really emphasise that sense of isolation and alienness. One of my original ideas was to have one of the ships Voyager discovers was swept across the galaxy by the Caretaker to be a Dominion fighter from before their encounter with the Federation. It was part of that optimistic spacefaring streak that they may be enemies when they get home, but out here the Jem'Hadar and their Vorta leader are some of the best allies they've got. I decided to go with a completely different and previously unseen alien enemy of Starfleet instead because I felt it would be less constraining and arguably more interesting. Also, bringing in a crew who had no absolutely exposure to the Dominion War and seeing its aftermath would have been a fascinating clash of cultures. The pure science-driven exploration of before the conflict vs. the more militaristic and isolationist attitudes of what came after. I'm not at all sure about the factions thing (marquis or other) the crews primary aim is to survive, and whilst there will be many opinions about what that means, the minute an external threat appears the crew would unite and bond, the crew are very alone and in very large, very alien and really quite hostile space. So long as the external threats appear larger and more threatening than Janeway and the executive crew, the crew as a whole would naturally present outsiders with a united front even if internally they argue. You only need to look at what The British did during World War II to see that effect, the country, almost without so much as whimper from anyone as they signed up (or acquiesced) to the suspension of democracy, a parliamentary dictatorship and interment without trial, Britain was never before and never since so British yet so readily turned it's back on what many think of as British principles. Magna Carta be damned. The Voyager crew is even more isolated, even more threatened and even more fearful than The British were in WWII, and that would colour and shape everything they did and accepted on the ship. They would be more Starfleet than Starfleet ever was, but they would also be totally ready to throw what they see as problematic Starfleet principles straight down the garbage shoot. I thought the divide would be a lot greyer than simply Starfleet vs. Maquis too, there would be those who sympathised with the Federation but operated against the Cardassians and then there'd be those in Starfleet who sympathised with the Maquis cause but never joined up. That said, there would be different ways to do things with Janeway and Chakotay butting heads over their methods. I think the argument would often be self-sufficiency vs. seeking the assistance of others with Janeway stalwart in her opinion that they can handle things on their own and Chakotay always wishing to stick around for a bit and go native. I actually felt that it would be a neat idea if when Voyager is destroyed that each slowly come around to the other's way of thinking while living in exile. One of the lines I really latched onto when I was watching the show was Janeway saying that she "wasn't just the captain, she was also the leader of a community," which led me to think that after four or five years there would be an inevitable shift towards a more homely atmosphere. The dress code would maybe get a little more informal, there'd be bits of the ship which have been retrofitted to suit whatever needs they had at the time and shipboard protocol would mould itself to suit their situation. One idea I had was to have the command areas of the ship are restricted to personnel with specialised bioscanners who are the few capable of deactivating the forcefields and opening the doors, similar to the security methods on Moonbase Alpha where selective areas are only accessible with a radio code. I thought that they'd quickly become known as the C-Red Passages (or the Condition Red Passages) amongst the crew and their visitors and are treated quite a lot like security checkpoints aboard the ship.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 18, 2017 23:16:07 GMT
A much tighter, more high stakes first season of Alcatraz with more answers and a more interesting and less vague cliffhangar concerning the exxperiments.
Plus, just make some damn use of the time travel to give the 63s cool powers.
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Post by relativetime on Aug 19, 2017 6:20:27 GMT
Game of Thrones for me. To be blunt, I don't think the show's killed quite enough people, honestly. Too much plot armor and things are much too predictable - it feels more like a traditional fantasy show than it does George R.R. Martin. So, I'd probably axe off some of the current fan favorites, add some more unpredictability to the mix.
That and I'd probably rewrite some parts of the show to include storylines from the books - the Dornish Master Plan, Young Griff, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 4:47:19 GMT
Supergirl: Season 2.
Mon-El.
Writers of Supergirl: Kara is NOT a teenager. She isn't in college anymore. She's twenty-four with a set career track and a history of prior relationships. It makes no sense that she would be intrested or want the baggage of a bad boy. And after Jimmy (which felt somewhat like a considered adult relationship). I can see Kara trying to make him a better person, get over her own prejudices and be his friend, but as a boyfriend? No. And Mon-El is kind of awful ("I saved the day to impress the girl!").
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