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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 12, 2016 12:44:02 GMT
So, take a series you really liked but then, at some point, went wildly off the rails and lost you. How would you fix it?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 12, 2016 15:10:46 GMT
Andromeda. Robert Hewitt Wolfe left the show halfway through series two because of behind the scenes shenanigans, even though he was the one who help bring it to screen. I would bring him back for Season 3 and allow him to do the show how he wanted. ie The Coda he wrote
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 12, 2016 15:23:01 GMT
"Doctor Who" in the late 1980s, where a disgruntled element within fandom just slagged it off at every opportunity until it was cancelled.
Oh. Maybe not that. What about "Enterprise", then, where you promote one of the more popular writers to lead writer, start radically improving the show, then kill of one of the top characters and reduce the whole show to just an interlude during an unmemorable episode of another TV show, then cancel it?
"Las Vegas", where you begin to run out of money, one of the leaders has a psychotic break and commits a murder whilst under the delusion it is the 1960s when apparently you could do that and get away with it; and you sack one of the leads; and then the star walks out? Then you cancel it.
Hmm. I'm having trouble thinking of a positive example....
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Post by chrisscorkscrew on Jun 12, 2016 15:31:52 GMT
A show that really lost me was Star Trek: Enterprise. The first couple of seasons were reasonably entertaining - an interesting ensemble cast, a security officer who used to be that hairdresser off of Desmonds - and then they changed the format and the third and fourth series were a disaster. The first major error was the introduction of the overbearing Xindi story arc which was very downbeat, obviously political, and went on far too long to sustain viewer interest. The second was to centre every storyline on Captain Archer - if there was an away mission, he led it; if there was a chance to strip down to his vest and take on the bad guys single-handed, he did it. The rest of the cast were relegated to intergalactic cheerleaders waving pom-poms behind him and it seemed like such a waste.
If I had a chance to fix it, I would have removed the story arcs entirely (story arcs are a particular pet peeve of mine as I feel they overshadow the plot of every episode and usually aren't worth it when they come to fruition). I would also have returned Enterprise to the ensemble cast model as with other Star Trek series - given all the cast something to do and allow their characters the chance to evolve naturally over time - and for each episode to explore something new and interesting. It just needed to be more fun!
Chriss C.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 12, 2016 15:56:00 GMT
Top Gear (the latest series):
Get rid of the new Top Gear team (most importantly Chris Evans) Bring back Clarkson, Hammond and May Revert Star In A Rallycross Car back to Star In A Reasonably Priced Car
Pretty easy fix really.
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Post by muckypup on Jun 12, 2016 16:46:57 GMT
Top Gear (the latest series): Get rid of the new Top Gear team (most importantly Chris Evans) Bring back Clarkson, Hammond and May Revert Star In A Rallycross Car back to Star In A Reasonably Priced Car Pretty easy fix really. axe the loathsome program full stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 12, 2016 17:24:06 GMT
Give Top Gear a Chance!
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Post by mark687 on Jun 12, 2016 18:08:13 GMT
Not save exactly but change the ending.
Buffy
No Rieliy in it and end it at the end of series 5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 18:32:27 GMT
Frasier. End it when Daphne and Niles hook up. It was clearly the narrative thrust of the show and it just treaded water after that.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 18:32:54 GMT
Top Gear (the latest series): Get rid of the new Top Gear team (most importantly Chris Evans) Bring back Clarkson, Hammond and May Revert Star In A Rallycross Car back to Star In A Reasonably Priced Car Pretty easy fix really. The second episode was better than the first, I expect it to take a little while to bed in, both in terms of audience acceptance and in terms of presenter ease. As for bringing back Clarkson, that would be totally unacceptable, he physically assaulted a colleague because he was unhappy with the food, there's hardly a company anywhere that wouldn't dismiss someone that did that, let alone a publicly funded, publicly accountable organisation like the BBC. I loved Clarkson, was very sorry to see him leave, but I would have been disgusted had he somehow managed to stay, it would just make him untouchable in his and many other peoples eyes. Hammond and May wont come back because they wanted to stick with Clarkson. But above all else, Amazon has now thrown so much cash at the three of them, they'll never come back even if there were no other issues. If you are upset about what's happened to Top Gear blame the person that caused all the change to happen, not those that had to deal with it.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 18:35:00 GMT
Top Gear (the latest series): Get rid of the new Top Gear team (most importantly Chris Evans) Bring back Clarkson, Hammond and May Revert Star In A Rallycross Car back to Star In A Reasonably Priced Car Pretty easy fix really. axe the loathsome program full stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes even less sense than axing Doctor Who. It's both popular and earns the BBC a lot of money.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 18:41:37 GMT
I would have removed the story arcs entirely (story arcs are a particular pet peeve of mine as I feel they overshadow the plot of every episode and usually aren't worth it when they come to fruition). Arc imposed on shows kill the show over time, and shows that start out as the whole point is an arc, then often get commissioned beyond the end of the arc and do nothing but tread water. Arc are almost always bad things, unless well planned out, a series built around it, and the series ending when the arc does. For me, the worst thing that ever happened to X-Files was alien conspiracy arc, it became utter tedium to me, I think BF's arcs suffer from exactly the same problem, and really Doctor Who doesn't need arc, just tell a story, if it takes more than once episode/CD/whatever then so be it, but tell the story, don't hang stories inside arcs that at best add nothing to the story and at worst just dominate and detract from the story.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 12, 2016 19:30:23 GMT
Top Gear (the latest series): Get rid of the new Top Gear team (most importantly Chris Evans) Bring back Clarkson, Hammond and May Revert Star In A Rallycross Car back to Star In A Reasonably Priced Car Pretty easy fix really. The second episode was better than the first, I expect it to take a little while to bed in, both in terms of audience acceptance and in terms of presenter ease. As for bringing back Clarkson, that would be totally unacceptable, he physically assaulted a colleague because he was unhappy with the food, there's hardly a company anywhere that wouldn't dismiss someone that did that, let alone a publicly funded, publicly accountable organisation like the BBC. I loved Clarkson, was very sorry to see him leave, but I would have been disgusted had he somehow managed to stay, it would just make him untouchable in his and many other peoples eyes. Hammond and May wont come back because they wanted to stick with Clarkson. But above all else, Amazon has now thrown so much cash at the three of them, they'll never come back even if there were no other issues. If you are upset about what's happened to Top Gear blame the person that caused all the change to happen, not those that had to deal with it. The audience will never accept it because Top Gear has become akin to a kids show. I don't care if Clarkson assaulted a producer, I would still rather see him presenting the show. In my view it was the fault of the producers and hotel staff for not making sure there was hot steak for the talent when they arrived. Whilst it's unlikely the trio would come back, it's the only way the BBC could fix the show now.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 19:34:42 GMT
So, if your "talent" and if your not happy about the food available it's OK in your view to assault someone? Would you feel the same if you were the victim of such an assault?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 12, 2016 19:53:42 GMT
So, if your "talent" and if your not happy about the food available it's OK in your view to assault someone? Would you feel the same if you were the victim of such an assault? If you believe the press the new "talent" is almost as unreasonable as the old one.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 12, 2016 20:23:03 GMT
So, take a series you really liked but then, at some point, went wildly off the rails and lost you. How would you fix it? She Spies! Series one was brilliant. I wish I could get it on region 2 DVD. Series two got ride of most of the things that made the first series so good. It might have improved, but I didn't stay with it very long. I don't know why they made the changes they did, I assume it was a change in the production staff/writes or the network got involved. How to fix? They shouldn't have tried to change a winning formula...keep the same cast, the same writers, directors, producers on from series one into series two and then series three and then....
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 12, 2016 20:46:45 GMT
The second episode was better than the first, I expect it to take a little while to bed in, both in terms of audience acceptance and in terms of presenter ease. As for bringing back Clarkson, that would be totally unacceptable, he physically assaulted a colleague because he was unhappy with the food, there's hardly a company anywhere that wouldn't dismiss someone that did that, let alone a publicly funded, publicly accountable organisation like the BBC. I loved Clarkson, was very sorry to see him leave, but I would have been disgusted had he somehow managed to stay, it would just make him untouchable in his and many other peoples eyes. Hammond and May wont come back because they wanted to stick with Clarkson. But above all else, Amazon has now thrown so much cash at the three of them, they'll never come back even if there were no other issues. If you are upset about what's happened to Top Gear blame the person that caused all the change to happen, not those that had to deal with it. The audience will never accept it because Top Gear has become akin to a kids show. I don't care if Clarkson assaulted a producer, I would still rather see him presenting the show. In my view it was the fault of the producers and hotel staff for not making sure there was hot steak for the talent when they arrived. Whilst it's unlikely the trio would come back, it's the only way the BBC could fix the show now. Speaking as someone who has been involved with film production before and knows the ungodly pains attached... I seriously think you should maybe be wary about saying things like that.
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Post by muckypup on Jun 12, 2016 20:54:45 GMT
I just did, dire! evans shouts to cover up for the fact that Matt le blanc is as dull as they come. the London segment was downright offensive & irresponsible. i like Chris Evans & I like(liked) top gear and I came to it with an open mind. But this is not the way, every episode gets worse. the problem is there is no chemistry it just does not work. Top gear was clarkson & co. They were funny, entertaining, infuriating & worked as a group. it feels like dying horse, being flogged in the hope it might just get up and perform again. i stand by that it is now a show that needs to be axed. It feels like money is being thrown at it, because it made money....this rubbish won't sorry to be not more positive.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 12, 2016 22:16:06 GMT
So, if your "talent" and if your not happy about the food available it's OK in your view to assault someone? Of course it's not but if the producer and the hotel staff made sure there was hot steak available the whole situation would never have happened.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
So, if your "talent" and if your not happy about the food available it's OK in your view to assault someone? Of course it's not but if the producer and the hotel staff made sure there was hot steak available the whole situation would never have happened. Firstly, your taking all responsibility away from the assailant, your victim blaming, secondly "if", I could generate so many "ifs" that would have avoided the situation that arose from arising, if Clarkson wasn't born, if Clarkson wasn't so arrogant, if Clarkson hadn't got self control issues, if Clarkson had just paid for his own meal he could have had what he wanted (the hotel didn't have hot food ready because none was ordered). Victims of crime may or may not have acted stupidly at some point, may or may not have been able to avoid the situation, may or may not just about anything, but the actions of the victim are not justification for another to break the law. By your reasoning, if I think something you say is reason for me to break the forums rules, perhaps calling you names, swearing and baiting you, then when I'm held to account for it, all I need to say is "Hey, I'm important round here, see I'm Admin, I can get away with stuff like that."
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