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Jun 28, 2016 19:42:51 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 28, 2016 19:42:51 GMT
My girlfriend who is a Leave supporter got assaulted by a mother with 4 children when she left work today because she (my gf) was wearing a Leave badge. She came home and told me the sad and alarming story, to then receive a phone call from her sister angry and equally alarmed that her 6 year old had been spat on by the parents of other children at school because her mother supported Leave. I am in tears as I write. What the fu ck happened to my country? Man, that's absolutely out of order. I know you said your GF didn't report it but she should. And I speak as a 110% Remain supporter. Let no one do this in my name, that's not right, moral or ... I hope you're all ok.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 28, 2016 19:44:29 GMT
Here are the Doctor's thoughts about Brexit and Trump (he comes in at 1:20 if you don't want to watch the whole thing).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:40:31 GMT
My ex girlfriend was killed due to a horrific car accident yesterday, the guy who caused the accident was high as a kite on drugs. Kind of puts things into perspective really don't it. We all went a little crazy about this result me included, but now's the time to build bridges & unite as a country. Bloody hell. Are you ok, mate? Heartbroken mate, spent most the day crying, kinda puts things in perspective, let the politicians sort this mess out, worst thing we can do is turn on each other, i hope were better than that.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:48:10 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 28, 2016 21:48:10 GMT
Bloody hell. Are you ok, mate? Heartbroken mate, spent most the day crying, kinda puts things in perspective, let the politicians sort this mess out, worst thing we can do is turn on each other, i hope were better than that. Be well, mate. I won't say be strong because sometimes people use that not to deal with things, but you already know all that. We're on the Brexit thread but at the end of the day you have to hold your arms out and embrace your neighbour because stuff like this is the real deal, and if we can't help one another in our hour of need then I don't want to know those people. So if you need a chat email me, I'm crap at responding as you know but I will...eventually!
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Jun 28, 2016 21:50:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:50:06 GMT
Heartbroken mate, spent most the day crying, kinda puts things in perspective, let the politicians sort this mess out, worst thing we can do is turn on each other, i hope were better than that. Be well, mate. I won't say be strong because sometimes people use that not to deal with things, but you already know all that. We're on the Brexit thread but at the end of the day you have to hold your arms out and embrace your neighbour because stuff like this is the real deal, and if we can't help one another in our hour of need then I don't want to know those people. So if you need a chat email me, I'm crap at responding as you know but I will...eventually! God bless you buddy.
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Jun 29, 2016 9:55:00 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 29, 2016 9:55:00 GMT
My greatest fear about the consequences of Brexit, a two to three decade rise in populist politics.
The Conservative Party
They elect Boris to be their party leader. Only he has two major problems, first most of his MP's do not support Brexit and have learned from many years of Euro rebellions, that to rebel and misbehave is OK, and so do just that, Boris finds he can hardly get any legislation past. Whilst the electorate turn out to hate Boris, the Remain voters because they want to Remain and Boris is leading us out, and the Leave voters start to hate Boris because he can't and won't deliver on the promises made, he can't and won't stop immigration, he can't and wont give the NHS £350m per week, indeed he will probably have to announce cuts in the NHS budget and Britain will look just about anything but Great again.
The Labour Party
We could be seeing an election in months, and The Labour Party as it stands today is totally unelectable, as at the parliamentary level the Party has imploded.
Overall
The country is leaderless, rudderless and with no one both with a vision and ability to drive through Brexit and any form that doesn't do huge damage to the country.
The chilling effect
Having been bolstered by their experience in the Brexit campaign, the populist parties (UKIP, BNP, Britian First, etc) make huge gains in elections at the price of The Conservative Party and The Labour Party. And the country lurches to the right whilst hate, discrimination become the norm and The Armed Forces become the solution to everything.
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Please bear in mind before you reply, this reflects my fears for the future, not my clear and certain vision of it, and I hope beyond hope that I am wrong.
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Jun 29, 2016 11:10:07 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 29, 2016 11:10:07 GMT
Apart from corban being Un electable... I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
I an on the exact same page.
I never thought I'd live in a country with extemists in charge.
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Jun 29, 2016 12:13:42 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 29, 2016 12:13:42 GMT
Apart from corban being Un electable... I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. I an on the exact same page. I never thought I'd live in a country with extemists in charge. all the blame lies squarely at the middle (labour especially) ignoring to many of the kind, tolerant, decent people for the last 20 years. they have born the brunt of the economic changes this country has under gone and seen promise after promise go unacted upon, or have been told they are powerless to change things. when economic prospects arise they are they are taken by shipped in workers or agencies because UK people don't have the skills or work ethic! they have just had enough. that's why there is resentment......it's not just EU countries but from across the world. we need to look after our young, teach them that work pays not exploit them, train them and support them. academic education is not the way for all! our sick are being persecuted, and used as scapegoats by politicians from all parties. we are living in sad times most people want a decent job, a place to call their own and food to eat. deliver this for all and you are on your way to having decent stable country. too many have now fallen into the too much or too little, address this, with out excuses and you will get my vote. we are seeing just how "in bed" all the big corps hold the politicians in their pockets with all the treats of leaving we have had since the vote! let the politicians stop that bulling and communities will sort themselves out.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 29, 2016 13:23:37 GMT
The in fighting just makes me scared and sad.
We need to stand together, accept the decision thats been made and rebuild while we still have a chance
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Jun 29, 2016 13:41:54 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 29, 2016 13:41:54 GMT
My greatest fear about the consequences of Brexit, a two to three decade rise in populist politics. The Conservative PartyThey elect Boris to be their party leader. Only he has two major problems, first most of his MP's do not support Brexit and have learned from many years of Euro rebellions, that to rebel and misbehave is OK, and so do just that, Boris finds he can hardly get any legislation past. Whilst the electorate turn out to hate Boris, the Remain voters because they want to Remain and Boris is leading us out, and the Leave voters start to hate Boris because he can't and won't deliver on the promises made, he can't and won't stop immigration, he can't and wont give the NHS £350m per week, indeed he will probably have to announce cuts in the NHS budget and Britain will look just about anything but Great again. The Labour PartyWe could be seeing an election in months, and The Labour Party as it stands today is totally unelectable, as at the parliamentary level the Party has imploded. OverallThe country is leaderless, rudderless and with no one both with a vision and ability to drive through Brexit and any form that doesn't do huge damage to the country. The chilling effect
Having been bolstered by their experience in the Brexit campaign, the populist parties (UKIP, BNP, Britian First, etc) make huge gains in elections at the price of The Conservative Party and The Labour Party. And the country lurches to the right whilst hate, discrimination become the norm and The Armed Forces become the solution to everything. ---------------- Please bear in mind before you reply, this reflects my fears for the future, not my clear and certain vision of it, and I hope beyond hope that I am wrong. This seems like an accurate prediction. We could very well end up with Nigel Farage as prime minister before long.
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Jun 29, 2016 14:28:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 14:28:45 GMT
The Republican Movement here in Australia have gained a bit of traction with talk of people wanting to secede from the Commonwealth of Nations. Personally, I haven't been seeing it and it'll be hard to justify the break given that no single government exercises total control over any other nation-state. Call me a skeptic, but this may be the same ecological niche who are anti-vaccinators and have put themselves down as the National Health Party for the upcoming election.
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Jun 29, 2016 15:07:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:07:16 GMT
It's now clear that, if it weren't before, Leave never expected to win and just as crucially Remain didn't expect to lose. There is absolute chaos in Whitehall as no-one can even guess at a timescale for actually leaving the EU. Both major parties are in crisis while they stab each other in the back to gain power, Nicola Sturgeon is meeting with President Juncker and other EU Leaders to try and salvage some good news for Scotland and, oh, that's right - anyone not white and English seems to be fair game to be abused in the streets now that the far-right seem to think they've been licenced to be racists.
I now believe that many of the more ignorant Leave voters thought (and think still) that any immigrants in the UK will be turfed out. They don't seem to have realised that if they come as legal migrants then they will be welcome to stay even though they're not "British" but Romanian or Polish. Those folks don't need to leave anywhere though, God knows, the abuse they're taking I wonder why they'd stay. "Go Back To Your Own Country" doesn't mean much when this is their country.
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Jun 29, 2016 15:16:29 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 29, 2016 15:16:29 GMT
You know the other countries who are talking of having a referendum...
They were like founding members...
Cant we form a new union with them
Basically the ones with money...
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Jun 29, 2016 15:42:06 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 29, 2016 15:42:06 GMT
It's too late I fear, the genie is out the box, in or out or something totally different I fear makes no difference, The UK is currently sitting in a power vacuum and those that appear in the ascendant to fill the vacuum are far right parties.
Please tell me I'm wrong, I want to be wrong, I hope that I am wrong, I just don't think I am wrong, which makes me gut wrenchingly sad.
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Jun 29, 2016 16:15:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 16:15:59 GMT
One area a lot of us have touched on is that a lot of the "we must all stand together now" crew are the same ones who have created the fearmongering and hatred of anything foreign with bile and lies over the past months yet now think they have the moral authority to unite and pacify. I've not seen anyone articulate it better than James O'Brien who takes the biggest perpetrators - The Sun and the Murdoch Empire - to task over their major hypocrisy. www.lbc.co.uk/james-obrien-slays-the-sun-over-racism-hypocrisy-132968
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Jun 29, 2016 17:10:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:10:19 GMT
JP Morgan, America's biggest bank, are now working under the assumption that by 2019 the UK will have finally left the EU and - and this is perhaps the most telling part - that Scotland will be Independent. My own opinion is that 2019 will be too soon for Indy, but that it is a reasonably time to expect the vote. Indy by 2020 or 2021 is more likely but hey - I don't work for the world's sixth biggest financial institution. internal.uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0ZF165
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Jun 29, 2016 17:41:21 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 29, 2016 17:41:21 GMT
JP Morgan, America's biggest bank, are now working under the assumption that by 2019 the UK will have finally left the EU and - and this is perhaps the most telling part - that Scotland will be Independent. My own opinion is that 2019 will be too soon for Indy, but that it is a reasonably time to expect the vote. Indy by 2020 or 2021 is more likely but hey - I don't work for the world's sixth biggest financial institution. internal.uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0ZF165well said there is no way Scotland should have an independence referendum, on the back of this result, what next independent London! we all voted as a united kingdom, otherwise we should all have a re-vote on independence as a whole and the EU implications! the hateful sturgeon woman is nothing more than a power crazed opportunist. the more I hear her the more I despise her. independence is fine but only once we have sorted out this mess. who would have thought that the biggest knives would be from within our own union.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 18:06:40 GMT
Well said? I have no idea how you took anything from my post that correlates with anything you wrote. Even slightly.
Nicola is the leader of Scotland's largest party at Holyrood and Westminister. She's been fighting the hatred that we've seen rising in the right and at a time when the Labour party have imploded has been the only politician with a mandate to hold the Tories to account.
You call her hate-filled. Based on what? She's fought for the rights of immigrants more than any party leader. "Hate" isn't a word anyone who knows anything about her would use even those that don't support independence. You call her power-crazed. She's already the First Minister. What more power could she have? You call her opportunist? Because she is fighting for Scotland's voters to have their votes counted? She is enacting what is outlines in the party manifesto and that the voters gave her a mandate to utilise. She has outlined the eventualities that could trigger another Independence referendum many, many times. It's not her problem if you didn't listen and it certainly doesn't make her an "opportunist". Even Scottish Labour are now saying "anything" is on the table after the EU result which they were lied to by Cameron. They voted No in 2014 to stay in the EU. They now accept they were duped.
Yesterday MSPs voted 92-0 in favour of Nicola pursuing avenues that would protect Scotland's place in the EU. 92-0. So please don't act like she's acting like a power-crazed opportunist - because she has the backing of the people who voted for her and the entire parliament who supported the motion. She's doing exactly what she's being asked to do by the people and the politicians alike. I would suggest using facts and not tabloid hyperbole to inform your opinions.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:22:31 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 29, 2016 18:22:31 GMT
Whilst I've never been a fan of Scottish independence, I fully understand Nicola Sturgeons stand given how things have played out, I also have to note that part of the reason she appears powerful is because she's just about the only political leader in the whole of the UK with a mandate, a vision and a plan.
I expect Scotland will be independent of the rest of the UK basically at the same moment that the UK formally leaves the EU.
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Jun 29, 2016 18:30:50 GMT
Post by aztec on Jun 29, 2016 18:30:50 GMT
I'd rather the UK stayed United, but the SNP is completely within there rights to hold another referendum if she thinks the time is right and the UK government agrees (I understand that circumstances have changed since 2014, but it still seems way to soon...), I agree with one of Muckypup's points-maybe give it a decade to see how the UK economy stabilizes after Brexit is complete, whether the price of Oil falls anymore etc, with an increasing rise in Right leaning Euroskeptic parties across Europe and a seeming desire for some in Brussels to push the E.U ever closer in federal union, you'd have to wonder what the E.U will be like in 10 or 15 years, there's also the old economic arguments for/against Scottish independence which could be effected by whatever new trade deals the UK makes with Europe, wouldn't Scotland have to accpet the E.U? Would its economy support all the criteria needed for the lengthy process of Entrance to the E.U?
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