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Jun 24, 2016 5:34:08 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 24, 2016 5:34:08 GMT
Those people are fools, plain and simple. The idea that this is going to improve their lives is laughable. The North of England has been left to rot by the same politicos who will benefit from this result - the right. The decay left by not replacing industries of mining and manufacturing will not be fixed by Brexit. All that will happen is that there will be less, and lower paying, jobs with worse conditions to go round these already suffering comunities. If "what have we got to lose?" is an excuse for letting the fascists in, they will find out exactly what they have to lose when a lot of the rights about working conditions, guaranteed pay and equality can be tossed in the bin without the EU to uphold them. Osborne's laughable "Northern Powerhouse" will be forgotten and cities like Sunderland continue to suffer. I don't even blame the Tories and UKIP. It's a laughable Labour movement that has opened the door to this intolerance. No two ways about it, it's Labour heartlands being disenfranchised that have caused this - and the extremes of the Tory party with UKIP (there's no real difference) will reap the benefits. ok buddy, they are not fools! They just have a different view point, that's hard on them and why we find ourselves in this mess, their voice is not being listen to. mmmm thatcher was the cause, labour just wallowed in it's glory and forgot who got them their. but it is the tories & lib dems that have taken us to this Armageddon, continually punishing the poor while telling them we are all in it together. people can only take so much. I am not sure EU workers rights count for a bean in these days of work, work, work then work somemore, with legal aid being removed and trade unions being about as powerful as a fart in the wind! no pension till ya 70 if at all! but I think we all need to calm down close our eyes and ears for a few days and see what comes next. anyway.....what u worried about this is your chance for independence! maybe I should sell up and move nextdoor to you
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Jun 24, 2016 5:45:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 5:45:17 GMT
Corbyn is on a hiding to nothing. The MPs he leads are centrists at best and view him as the outsider usurper when, pre-Blair, they'd all have been Tories themselves. Blair won 3 elections but did it by betraying the movement. Keir Hardie wouldn't have recognized New Labour. Corbyn and McDonnell can't win. They either sell out their own ideals to appease their backbenches or they risk revolt on every single vote. It's sad to say - I like Corbyn's policies - but the only way Labour move ahead is with someone like Andy Burnham at the helm. He gets more middle class back, he plays well to Northerners and he's a much better speaker. That he'd be just another New Labour careerist is lamentable but inevitable.
I would imagine Cameron announces he's leaving in a few hours. When Boris takes over, I'd also imagine that he'd want a snap general election. Better to take on a weak, divided Labour now than one with a centrist who can win more votes from him in a few years. If the Tories play it right they'd solidify their majority and potentially increase it by quite a margin.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 24, 2016 5:51:58 GMT
Ok.
The vote went against my personal thoughts... but... I will now look on the bright side.
There will now never be a problem with underfunded NHS. .. the police will get more officers...
And there will be rainbows for all.
Unlimited fracking!
And
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Brexit
Jun 24, 2016 5:53:37 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 24, 2016 5:53:37 GMT
And...
The pound is lower than it has been since 1985...
Woo hoo.
Let's have another resection!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 5:53:59 GMT
anyway.....what u worried about this is your chance for independence! maybe I should sell up and move nextdoor to you Well, I'd do it quickly. When we get independence then there's no guarantee you'd be allowed to move here now England renounced the EU. That means no freedom of movement! We may have to build a wall to keep English and Welsh migrants out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 5:57:34 GMT
And... The pound is lower than it has been since 1985... Woo hoo. Let's have another resection! That, to be fair (and when have I been fair to Brexiters?), will settle. The market reacts to uncertainty. Like Exit Polls, it relies on precedence and what has happened in similiar situations. Since this is unprecedented, the market trembles but it will settle before the real implications are clear. The pound also started very, very high at 10pm. Some people will have made a lot of money overnight. And some lost a hell of a lot.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 24, 2016 6:16:12 GMT
(but when you haven't got a job or bottom of the rung job, only private housing available to rent at high rates with no stability or a bedroom tax if you are lucky enough to get a council house!, cuts to public services you rely on, 4 week waiting lists to see a doctor, schools that have to teach 45 pupil classes with 12 languages, reliance on food banks what have you got to lose.) These things are to do with the government (bedroom tax for instance)you cannot blame everything on the Eu.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 24, 2016 6:24:40 GMT
Oh I know who I blame.
And it really wasn't Europe
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 24, 2016 6:27:17 GMT
Sorry but I'm just utterly gutted.
But...
As one of the 48%...
I get to blame...
brexiteers
For when things go bad.
So.
When do they start building all these new hospitals?
I can see theres a lot of new building jobs listed. Building a huge wall over the chunnel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 6:30:03 GMT
There's only one part of this Kingdom that looks united to me...
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Brexit
Jun 24, 2016 6:41:48 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 24, 2016 6:41:48 GMT
(but when you haven't got a job or bottom of the rung job, only private housing available to rent at high rates with no stability or a bedroom tax if you are lucky enough to get a council house!, cuts to public services you rely on, 4 week waiting lists to see a doctor, schools that have to teach 45 pupil classes with 12 languages, reliance on food banks what have you got to lose.) These things are to do with the government (bedroom tax for instance)you cannot blame everything on the Eu. agree the governments are to blame, but the freedom of movement is the EU fault and this has been won on this issue alone, I think. for 15 years it's been an issue, calling people racists and trying to hide it has put on this path. I am happy for people to come and settle here, just not the ship em in, send em back agencys that seem to have taken control. I have seen too many lives broken by this over the last 10 years, communities that were trying to get back on their feet have been destroyed by this. this makes me sound like I am in favour of this result, I am not. I just think it's understandable that many blame the EU as much as the governments. I think that Scotland and n/ireland have done better as there is an alternative party, that stand for the good of the people and not the good of a few. That's why we have had so many flock to the lib dems & Ukip, in an attempt to find something better, it's just they are as rotten as the rest!
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Jun 24, 2016 6:44:27 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 24, 2016 6:44:27 GMT
There's only one part of this Kingdom that looks united to me... now you can stop that smugness..... or we will all move up and spoil the party....lol
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Jun 24, 2016 6:50:22 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 24, 2016 6:50:22 GMT
(but when you haven't got a job or bottom of the rung job, only private housing available to rent at high rates with no stability or a bedroom tax if you are lucky enough to get a council house!, cuts to public services you rely on, 4 week waiting lists to see a doctor, schools that have to teach 45 pupil classes with 12 languages, reliance on food banks what have you got to lose.) These things are to do with the government (bedroom tax for instance)you cannot blame everything on the Eu. agree the governments are to blame, but the freedom of movement is the EU fault and this has been won on this issue alone, I think. for 15 years it's been an issue, calling people racists and trying to hide it has put on this path. I am happy for people to come and settle here, just not the ship em in, send em back agencys that seem to have taken control. I have seen too many lives broken by this over the last 10 years, communities that were trying to get back on their feet have been destroyed by this. this makes me sound like I am in favour of this result, I am not. I just think it's understandable that many blame the EU as much as the governments. I think that Scotland and n/ireland have done better as there is an alternative party, that stand for the good of the people and not the good of a few. That's why we have had so many flock to the lib dems & Ukip, in an attempt to find something better, it's just they are as rotten as the rest! Agencies shipping in people from the EU/elsewhere to work at cheaper rates has nothing to do with freedom of movement but all to do with refusing to pay the working class a decent livable wage. Welcome to the neoliberal free market. It's just another variation on shipping your factory to China or wherever. Again, this is a major misstep on Cameron's part and a major failing in the decline of a real Labour party under the Blairites.
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Jun 24, 2016 6:50:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 6:50:46 GMT
North East England was offered a regional assembly in 2004 and voted overwhelmingly against it. It would have devolved powers to the area to help them serve their own needs better. Indeed, the defeat was so crushing that North West, Yorkshire and Humber devolution referendums were cancelled after it was made clear they weren't wanted. I wonder how many in the NE regret voting against that now. And how many would have voted differently yesterday if the North East Assembly had happened and others like it across the North Of England with increased devolution of powers.
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Jun 24, 2016 6:55:27 GMT
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 24, 2016 6:55:27 GMT
North East England was offered a regional assembly in 2004 and voted overwhelmingly against it. It would have devolved powers to the area to help them serve their own needs better. Indeed, the defeat was so crushing that North West, Yorkshire and Humber devolution referendums were cancelled after it was made clear they weren't wanted. I wonder how many in the NE regret voting against that now. And how many would have voted differently yesterday if the North East Assembly had happened and others like it across the North Of England with increased devolution of powers. As far as I remember so was Cornwall but that too was refused because...Devon was being included and heaven forfend that that should happen. Sigh.
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Jun 24, 2016 7:37:00 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 24, 2016 7:37:00 GMT
****ed off at the people who voted to leave. The pound has already dropped and there's talk of needing a visa to travel to EU countries. What a mess. And it's not even a fair vote either because only 52% voted to leave, showing an uncertain majority which should mean we remain, NOT leave.
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Jun 24, 2016 7:45:56 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 24, 2016 7:45:56 GMT
I still lived in Newcastle in 2004 and the reason the assembly was rejected was... it was seen as a powerless body.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 24, 2016 7:50:51 GMT
Sorry guys but I for one am glad were leaving the EU, instead of sending billions to other countries we can invest that money in our own economy & Nhs & make Britain great again.
We need to take back control of our own country not have it run by others.
Sure there be bumps in the road but sometimes change can be for the better long term.
Don't really want to get into a debate about this as politics & religion are subjects i rarely discuss but i thought I'd post my thoughts on this.
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Jun 24, 2016 7:58:31 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on Jun 24, 2016 7:58:31 GMT
Well I am not from the UK or even Europe so maybe it's none of my business but based on some of the rhetoric I was seeing from the leave side (and I am not saying everyone) I was solely on the Remain Camp.
I've seen people from different countries say they thought they found a home in the UK but now they think their country doesn't want them with all the complaints about immigration. That's very sad to me.
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Jun 24, 2016 8:07:06 GMT
Post by aztec on Jun 24, 2016 8:07:06 GMT
My thoughts:
F*CK F*CK F*CK
Goodbye prosperous United Kingdom with a voice on the world stage, hello little england with a uncertain future...
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