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Post by omega on Feb 19, 2017 9:30:15 GMT
I've been able to source a not too expensive copy of the book.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:01:36 GMT
I've been able to source a not too expensive copy of the book. Enjoying it?
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Post by omega on Feb 19, 2017 18:12:21 GMT
I've been able to source a not too expensive copy of the book. Enjoying it? The seller has yet to post it.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 9, 2017 6:44:52 GMT
Got it today, and listened to it tonight, LOVED IT!
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Post by nottenst on Mar 15, 2017 0:25:23 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot, though I was wondering if there was anything more about Patience after she vanished. Did I miss something?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 15, 2017 3:23:16 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot, though I was wondering if there was anything more about Patience after she vanished. Did I miss something? Sort of. a similarly named character turns up in "Infinity Doctors". also, the idea was that she was the wife of the third member of the Gallifreyan Triumverate, someone who by the Doctor's Time was known only as "the OTher" - who would die in such a way as to be reborn eventually as the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 4:41:22 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot, though I was wondering if there was anything more about Patience after she vanished. Did I miss something? Sort of. a similarly named character turns up in "Infinity Doctors". also, the idea was that she was the wife of the third member of the Gallifreyan Triumverate, someone who by the Doctor's Time was known only as "the OTher" - who would die in such a way as to be reborn eventually as the Doctor. Interestingly, she was Omega's wife prior to the Qqaba incident that entombed the stellar engineer in the heart of a black hole responsible for the Gallifreyans' initial time experiments. Some time after he perished, it's implied that she married the Other and quite possibly bore several of his children who were later killed during the Great Schism. How many died or were saved is up to personal interpretation, but one member of the Other's family made it out alive, Susan, who he told to leave for Terserus when Rassilon began his purge. She returned later on to search for her grandfather, only to discover the Doctor and the rest is early history. As to why she vanished in Cold Fusion, the answer is in The Infinity Doctors.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 5, 2017 18:43:24 GMT
I enjoyed it a lot, though I was wondering if there was anything more about Patience after she vanished. Did I miss something? Sort of. a similarly named character turns up in "Infinity Doctors". also, the idea was that she was the wife of the third member of the Gallifreyan Triumverate, someone who by the Doctor's Time was known only as "the OTher" - who would die in such a way as to be reborn eventually as the Doctor. Patience's husband isn't the Other, but incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell (still a reincarnation of the Other, of course). These Doctors are the ones seen in the mindbending battle in Brain of Morbius. Particularly, Lance Parkin intended for the Robert Banks Stewart Doctor to be Patience's husband.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 5, 2017 22:10:39 GMT
Sort of. a similarly named character turns up in "Infinity Doctors". also, the idea was that she was the wife of the third member of the Gallifreyan Triumverate, someone who by the Doctor's Time was known only as "the OTher" - who would die in such a way as to be reborn eventually as the Doctor. Patience's husband isn't the Other, but incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell (still a reincarnation of the Other, of course). These Doctors are the ones seen in the mindbending battle in Brain of Morbius. Particularly, Lance Parkin intended for the Robert Banks Stewart Doctor to be Patience's husband. That doesn't work - the Doctor vaguely recognises her husband's name and says no one alive and very few records survive from that time. If it was a Morbius Doctor (which, incidentally, we now have a GLORIOUS explanation for why they're not "counted" as incarnations of the Doctor - the Doctor doesn't count War as an incarnation either - therefore they were from before he swore his oath) he'd remember.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 5, 2017 22:48:57 GMT
Patience's husband isn't the Other, but incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell (still a reincarnation of the Other, of course). These Doctors are the ones seen in the mindbending battle in Brain of Morbius. Particularly, Lance Parkin intended for the Robert Banks Stewart Doctor to be Patience's husband. That doesn't work - the Doctor vaguely recognises her husband's name and says no one alive and very few records survive from that time. If it was a Morbius Doctor (which, incidentally, we now have a GLORIOUS explanation for why they're not "counted" as incarnations of the Doctor - the Doctor doesn't count War as an incarnation either - therefore they were from before he swore his oath) he'd remember. But that's not the Other's typical behavior. He doesn't get himself publicly involved in politics. He stays in the shadows and gives Rassilon advice. One of the incarnations of Patience's husband is described in Cold Fusion suspiciously similar to what one of the Morbius Doctors looks like.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 5, 2017 23:12:41 GMT
Indeed, which implies that the Morbius Doctors are in fact The Other, not pre-TARDIS theft/pre-oath Doctor.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 6, 2017 0:38:25 GMT
Patience's husband isn't the Other, but incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell (still a reincarnation of the Other, of course). These Doctors are the ones seen in the mindbending battle in Brain of Morbius. Particularly, Lance Parkin intended for the Robert Banks Stewart Doctor to be Patience's husband. That doesn't work - the Doctor vaguely recognises her husband's name and says no one alive and very few records survive from that time. If it was a Morbius Doctor (which, incidentally, we now have a GLORIOUS explanation for why they're not "counted" as incarnations of the Doctor - the Doctor doesn't count War as an incarnation either - therefore they were from before he swore his oath) he'd remember. But that doesn't work either, he didn't count War as an incarnation but he counts all his versions off, including War and 10.2, in "The Time of the Doctor", and the so-called Morbius Doctors aren't included, and if they had been he'd have needed a new regeneration cycle much earlier. www.youtube.com/watch?v=51a1hoSn4uYRewatching it it isn't obvious that the other faces are the Doctor merely because Morbius keeps shouting. Morbius is the one who breaks the connection there and it seems like it was on one of HIS faces. Though that's just my take.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 6, 2017 0:47:57 GMT
It's obvious they're the Doctor because the Doctor is noticeably in pain. If they were Morbius, we'd see Troughton - Pertwee - Baker again, then the faces of Morbius. But we don't.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 6, 2017 0:54:14 GMT
It's obvious they're the Doctor because the Doctor is noticeably in pain. If they were Morbius, we'd see Troughton - Pertwee - Baker again, then the faces of Morbius. But we don't. And Morbius staggers away clutching himself, and it's hard to tell he's in any pain due to his wonderful wonderful head, but not nearly so large and wonderful as the Doctor's head!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 6, 2017 0:58:16 GMT
That doesn't work - the Doctor vaguely recognises her husband's name and says no one alive and very few records survive from that time. If it was a Morbius Doctor (which, incidentally, we now have a GLORIOUS explanation for why they're not "counted" as incarnations of the Doctor - the Doctor doesn't count War as an incarnation either - therefore they were from before he swore his oath) he'd remember. But that doesn't work either, he didn't count War as an incarnation but he counts all his versions off, including War and 10.2, in "The Time of the Doctor", and the so-called Morbius Doctors aren't included, and if they had been he'd have needed a new regeneration cycle much earlier. www.youtube.com/watch?v=51a1hoSn4uYRewatching it it isn't obvious that the other faces are the Doctor merely because Morbius keeps shouting. Morbius is the one who breaks the connection there and it seems like it was on one of HIS faces. Though that's just my take. The new set of regenerations .... were the Watcher. Its also why the fifth Doctor said his regeneration felt different, it was the first of a new cycle. The SmithDoc needed new regenerations because of the Judas Tree poison, curing it burnt up all of River's regenerations after destroying his ability to regenerate.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 6, 2017 1:06:37 GMT
But that doesn't work either, he didn't count War as an incarnation but he counts all his versions off, including War and 10.2, in "The Time of the Doctor", and the so-called Morbius Doctors aren't included, and if they had been he'd have needed a new regeneration cycle much earlier. www.youtube.com/watch?v=51a1hoSn4uYRewatching it it isn't obvious that the other faces are the Doctor merely because Morbius keeps shouting. Morbius is the one who breaks the connection there and it seems like it was on one of HIS faces. Though that's just my take. The new set of regenerations .... were the Watcher. Its also why the fifth Doctor said his regeneration felt different, it was the first of a new cycle. The SmithDoc needed new regenerations because of the Judas Tree poison, curing it burnt up all of River's regenerations after destroying his ability to regenerate. The Watcher? An interesting thought. A new cycle? Why? He didn't need need one then, even if you did erroneously count the Morbius Doctors he still wasn't at the limit. And 11 needed new regenerations because he was the last of that cycle, he mad that very clear in the episode.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 6, 2017 3:09:02 GMT
You're right there are eight Morbius Doctors and four TV Doctors making 12 incarnations altogether. I suppose we can sneak a regeneration between Troughton and Pertwee
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 3:44:39 GMT
You're right there are eight Morbius Doctors and four TV Doctors making 12 incarnations altogether. I suppose we can sneak a regeneration between Troughton and Pertwee Yes, that would be a rather Devious proposition. :3 Alternatively, there's one more incarnation from the very beginning that we don't see. The Other is described as having thin legs, black hair, and often wearing a black cloak with a hood, which doesn't seem to match any of the faces that turn up during the mindbending contest. He could resemble Basil Rathbone, Marius Goering or Jeremy Brett for all we know. My head-canon is that he'll eventually reach a point far into the future where he just gives up on numbering his incarnations. Hell, by the time that he becomes (one of the incarnations known as) Merlin, he'll have probably forgotten or chosen to outgrow the title of Doctor.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 6, 2017 3:53:28 GMT
You're right there are eight Morbius Doctors and four TV Doctors making 12 incarnations altogether. I suppose we can sneak a regeneration between Troughton and Pertwee Yes, that would be a rather Devious proposition. :3 Alternatively, there's one more incarnation from the very beginning that we don't see. The Other is described as having thin legs, black hair, and often wearing a black cloak with a hood, which doesn't seem to match any of the faces that turn up during the mindbending contest. He could resemble Basil Rathbone, Marius Goering or Jeremy Brett for all we know. Nah, he'd look like Sydney Newman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 6:55:37 GMT
Yes, that would be a rather Devious proposition. :3 Alternatively, there's one more incarnation from the very beginning that we don't see. The Other is described as having thin legs, black hair, and often wearing a black cloak with a hood, which doesn't seem to match any of the faces that turn up during the mindbending contest. He could resemble Basil Rathbone, Marius Goering or Jeremy Brett for all we know. Nah, he'd look like Sydney Newman. Strange as it may seem, I can see it. That works really well.
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