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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 4:22:55 GMT
I have no interest in a female Doctor. Please don't tell me I'm sexist. I will take offense to that. In general I have no interest in the trend of taking classically male characters and making them women. (I had no interest in Ghostbusters, for example.) I think it's lazy, gimmicky and uninteresting. I would rather see interesting, original female characters. Will I continue to watch the show if The Doctor is female? I honestly don't know. Part of me says no, however I might catch it here and there. Mostly because I am interested in the kind of show Chibnall is building as opposed to being interested in The Doctor. I'm not as against it as I once was (new showrunner and all), but I will admit that a gender swap still feels incredibly gimmicky to me. Especially for the science fiction genre where this sort of thing is usually reserved either for total reboots or the plot of the week. Certain actresses could certainly pull off the transition, but there's nothing that would really stop the production office from going straight back to a male actor afterwards. Particularly if it proves to be a misjudged decision. |
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Post by relativetime on Feb 1, 2017 7:23:17 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character.
Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 7:54:36 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character. Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy. All of what you've said is true, but isn't it just as powerful to say that women don't have to be the Doctor in order to be special? Companions like Barbara, Zoe, Liz, Charley, Benny, Sarah Jane, Peri, Erimem, Lucie, both Romanas, Leela... They've managed to leave a pretty prominent mark, even though they're not the Doctor. I had a lot of respect for Barbara growing up as a kid. She didn't have to be the Doctor in order to run straight into a war zone just for the chance that she could save the Doctor and Ian ("Barbara, what are you going to do?" "I don't know, let go of me!"), plowing straight through a squad of Daleks in a truck, defeating the brains of Morphoton, surviving El-Akir and Palestine, using her reasoning insight into the workings of the TARDIS to determine what was at fault, trying to save the Aztecs from themselves and countless other heroic acts besides. There was something incredible about her careful reasoning, unwillingness to give up and blind bravery when it came to defending her friends that made her endearing. It was much the same with Romana's later exploits on Gallifrey or Bernice Summerfield's struggles on the Collection. Their lives weren't diminished just because they were companions. |
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 1, 2017 8:01:09 GMT
In general I have no interest in the trend of taking classically male characters and making them women. (I had no interest in Ghostbusters, for example.) I think it's lazy, gimmicky and uninteresting. I would rather see interesting, original female characters. I was saying this when they made Thor into a woman. I mean at least the Punisher storyline made sense back in the 90's, but this was just a lazy gimmick. But, I can live with it overall, as long as they don't go making Wonder Woman into a man, oh wait, that's Simon Williams. What, where, what was this thread again? |
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 1, 2017 8:02:36 GMT
I would love Nicola Bryant to be the Doctor. Especially because she doesn't sound like Peri and looks different enough now. She's pretty much the only companion actor who could pull it off. My vote still goes to Noel Clarke. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 8:22:16 GMT
Ben Wishaw or Alexander whatshisname the dude who plays Big Finishes Dorian Gray he'd be good.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 1, 2017 9:10:46 GMT
Same here. Could... Hmm... Could we have Nicola Bryant as the Thirteenth Doctor, do you reckon? I would be overjoyed if that happened. Unfortunately, Bryant isn't a "name" that could sell the program (she hasn't even made a television appearance in 7 years), and the stigma of the Sixth Doctor era would work against her. I like the idea of a former companion returning as the Doctor, though. The most likely candidate would be someone from the Big Finish audios, like Sheridan Smith. A former companion as the Doctor would be ridiculous. It would look silly. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 1, 2017 10:40:05 GMT
Ben Wishaw or Alexander whatshisname the dude who plays Big Finishes Dorian Gray he'd be good. Bookies favour you here. Maybe put down a wager and see. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 1, 2017 11:20:58 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character. Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy. Name a leading character in a TV show or movie who doesn't resort to violence to defeat their enemies? the Doctor tops that list. hes probably followed by Inspectors Lewis and Barnaby and Father Brown. now, name a leading female character who does that. much harder. Hermione Granger? Still defined by how powerful a wizard she is. Peggy Carter? Jessica Jones? Sarah Lance? Buffy? Even Temperance Brennan is given a gun to be "hardcore" and "tough". so why shouldnt little girls want to grow up to be the Doctor? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 11:26:29 GMT
I would be overjoyed if that happened. Unfortunately, Bryant isn't a "name" that could sell the program (she hasn't even made a television appearance in 7 years), and the stigma of the Sixth Doctor era would work against her. I like the idea of a former companion returning as the Doctor, though. The most likely candidate would be someone from the Big Finish audios, like Sheridan Smith. A former companion as the Doctor would be ridiculous. It would look silly. Except 99% of the audience have no idea Sheridan has ever done anything Who related and probably only a tenth of those who do are actually familiar with Lucie. And Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi had both been in Doctor Who in other roles before being cast. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 1, 2017 12:00:32 GMT
A former companion as the Doctor would be ridiculous. It would look silly. Except 99% of the audience have no idea Sheridan has ever done anything Who related and probably only a tenth of those who do are actually familiar with Lucie. And Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi had both been in Doctor Who in other roles before being cast. You could get away with it with Sheridan Smith or Lucie Miller given that the audio medium only uses their voice. I was thinking more with the suggestion of Nicola Bryant. |
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Post by constonks on Feb 1, 2017 13:01:46 GMT
Nicola doesn't sound like Peri and looks distinct enough that it wouldn't be distracting to me. I would agree on any other companion - ie. When people were speculating on the Twelfth Doctor, Billie Piper was an insane suggestion.
Academic anyway. It'll never happen.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 1, 2017 13:24:22 GMT
Nicola doesn't sound like Peri and looks distinct enough that it wouldn't be distracting to me. She still looks like Peri though. It would be too weird. |
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 1, 2017 13:31:54 GMT
Ben Wishaw or Alexander whatshisname the dude who plays Big Finishes Dorian Gray he'd be good. From now on, I'm thinking he should always be known as Alexander whatshisname the dude who plays Big Finishes Dorian Gray  It's well known that he would love to play the doctor. Cheers Tony |
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 1, 2017 13:34:29 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character. Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy. Name a leading character in a TV show or movie who doesn't resort to violence to defeat their enemies? the Doctor tops that list. hes probably followed by Inspectors Lewis and Barnaby and Father Brown. now, name a leading female character who does that. much harder. Hermione Granger? Still defined by how powerful a wizard she is. Peggy Carter? Jessica Jones? Sarah Lance? Buffy? Even Temperance Brennan is given a gun to be "hardcore" and "tough". so why shouldnt little girls want to grow up to be the Doctor? Penelope Garcia from Criminal Minds Samantha Stephens from Bewitched Jeannie from I Dream of Jeannie Morticia Addams Miss Marple And I'd dispute Hermione as she is most famous for being smart and solving problems with her mind: however, like the Doctor, she will fight if necessary. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 1, 2017 13:45:46 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character. Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy. Name a leading character in a TV show or movie who doesn't resort to violence to defeat their enemies? the Doctor tops that list. hes probably followed by Inspectors Lewis and Barnaby and Father Brown. now, name a leading female character who does that. much harder. Hermione Granger? Still defined by how powerful a wizard she is. Peggy Carter? Jessica Jones? Sarah Lance? Buffy? Even Temperance Brennan is given a gun to be "hardcore" and "tough". so why shouldnt little girls want to grow up to be the Doctor? Well intetioned though the argument is, the problem is it's easy to flip around and say, 'so why shouldnt little boys want to grow up to be the Doctor?' How many 10 year olds are looking to Father Brown as a role model, and even smarter characters like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne or Peter Parker are still defined more by action than by brains? Plus, it also inadvertantly implies the companions can't be role models, or they have nothing to contribute to young girls wanting to be heroes. |
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Post by relativetime on Feb 1, 2017 14:20:05 GMT
Name a leading character in a TV show or movie who doesn't resort to violence to defeat their enemies? the Doctor tops that list. hes probably followed by Inspectors Lewis and Barnaby and Father Brown. now, name a leading female character who does that. much harder. Hermione Granger? Still defined by how powerful a wizard she is. Peggy Carter? Jessica Jones? Sarah Lance? Buffy? Even Temperance Brennan is given a gun to be "hardcore" and "tough". so why shouldnt little girls want to grow up to be the Doctor? Well intetioned though the argument is, the problem is it's easy to flip around and say, 'so why shouldnt little boys want to grow up to be the Doctor?' How many 10 year olds are looking to Father Brown as a role model, and even smarter characters like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne or Peter Parker are still defined more by action than by brains? Plus, it also inadvertantly implies the companions can't be role models, or they have nothing to contribute to young girls wanting to be heroes. I'm not saying companions can't be role models. I'm saying that dreaming to be the Doctor - the star of the show, the main role model, the one who shows companions how to be better and takes them on adventures - should be open to both boys and girls. And if companions are just as equally good role models as the Doctor, why shouldn't a companion be a good enough role model for boys? |
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Post by escalus5 on Feb 1, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
A former companion as the Doctor would be ridiculous. It would look silly. Except 99% of the audience have no idea Sheridan has ever done anything Who related and probably only a tenth of those who do are actually familiar with Lucie. I don't think the Lucie Miller adventures are all that obscure. They ran as a series on BBC Radio and seemed to attract a sizable enough audience. My point is, they were much less of a niche thing than the usual BF audios. |
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Post by relativetime on Feb 1, 2017 14:35:13 GMT
I don't see masculinity as part of the Doctor's character and there's absolutely no downside to having a female incarnation of the Doctor. Having diversity of both gender and race in a role matters. People like seeing people like them. It really does mean a lot to many, many people. And as said earlier in this thread, a female Doctor would be a powerful message to send to young women - that they too can be the Doctor rather than a secondary character. Just give an actress who loves the show a chance and I'm absolutely positive the results will satisfy. All of what you've said is true, but isn't it just as powerful to say that women don't have to be the Doctor in order to be special? Companions like Barbara, Zoe, Liz, Charley, Benny, Sarah Jane, Peri, Erimem, Lucie, both Romanas, Leela... They've managed to leave a pretty prominent mark, even though they're not the Doctor. I had a lot of respect for Barbara growing up as a kid. She didn't have to be the Doctor in order to run straight into a war zone just for the chance that she could save the Doctor and Ian ("Barbara, what are you going to do?" "I don't know, let go of me!"), plowing straight through a squad of Daleks in a truck, defeating the brains of Morphoton, surviving El-Akir and Palestine, using her reasoning insight into the workings of the TARDIS to determine what was at fault, trying to save the Aztecs from themselves and countless other heroic acts besides. There was something incredible about her careful reasoning, unwillingness to give up and blind bravery when it came to defending her friends that made her endearing. It was much the same with Romana's later exploits on Gallifrey or Bernice Summerfield's struggles on the Collection. Their lives weren't diminished just because they were companions. I agree. But wouldn't that message also be pretty true for men as well? And having the Thirteenth Doctor be female doesn't diminish any of his other incarnations, nor can it detract from the impact a companion can have on the audience. It would just open the doors to a wider pool of talent and give a lot of people something to aspire to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 14:59:02 GMT
I would be more than very surprised if a former companion got the job as the next Doctor! I really couldn't see it happening.
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