|
Post by Timelord007 on Sept 20, 2016 8:42:42 GMT
I totally disagree. Michelle Gomez's Master is more in line with Roger Degaldo's Master after the strong divergence away from his portrayal with John Simm. She is the most Master-like version of the character the new series has had so far and there will never be a better new series Master than Michelle Gomez in my view. Michelle Gomez is NOTHING like Roger Delgado. Delgado always underplayed his performance. That can't be said for Gomez. Delgado was awesome charming, cunning, devious manipulative, Gomez is campy, silly, hammy & along with Moffat made the character a panto villian.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 8:56:17 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 9:33:24 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh? I always thought that was the terrible pity with the Ainley incarnation. A story like Survival showed that the cat had claws and could be a very decent menace when given the proper material. Delgado had a smooth charm that seduced you into occasionally falling to his side over the Doctor, Peter Pratt's iteration was so painfully deranged that you really believed he carved a path with wanton slaughter towards his goals and Geoffrey Beevers's interpretation is a very nice mix of the two together. Out of Simm and Gomez, I actually prefer Gomez and that's not been without a very serious attempt at winning me over. Simm to me fell a little too far into the anti-Doctor interpretation of the Master for my liking, I prefer it when he/she is their own entity and not just a reflection of our main protagonist. Where Gomez succeeds I think is in a few subtle hints she gives despite what she's been written for the role, it's a performance with layers. I think I've said elsewhere how she drops her crazed facade when she's alone with the Doctor and occasionally around the little humans, pulling their strings to see where they jump. The Doctor uses obfuscating stupidity, the Mistress uses obfuscating madness. I wish it was written a little more seriously to show off the Delgadoesque charm that's buried beneath. Less Joker-ish. I'd love a moment where a character susses her out and she drops the pretense altogether before putting it straight back up for someone else.
|
|
|
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 20, 2016 10:36:34 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh? I always thought that was the terrible pity with the Ainley incarnation. A story like Survival showed that the cat had claws and could be a very decent menace when given the proper material. Delgado had a smooth charm that seduced you into occasionally falling to his side over the Doctor, Peter Pratt's iteration was so painfully deranged that you really believed he carved a path with wanton slaughter towards his goals and Geoffrey Beevers's interpretation is a very nice mix of the two together. Out of Simm and Gomez, I actually prefer Gomez and that's not been without a very serious attempt at winning me over. Simm to me fell a little too far into the anti-Doctor interpretation of the Master for my liking, I prefer it when he/she is their own entity and not just a reflection of our main protagonist. Where Gomez succeeds I think is in a few subtle hints she gives despite what she's been written for the role, it's a performance with layers. I think I've said elsewhere how she drops her crazed facade when she's alone with the Doctor and occasionally around the little humans, pulling their strings to see where they jump. The Doctor uses obfuscating stupidity, the Mistress uses obfuscating madness. I wish it was written a little more seriously to show off the Delgadoesque charm that's buried beneath. Less Joker-ish. I'd love a moment where a character susses her out and she drops the pretense altogether before putting it straight back up for someone else. I loved the moment before the revelation in Dark Water where she's pretending to be a 'Random Access Neural Integrator'. That felt very Degaldo to me.
|
|
|
Post by jasonward on Sept 20, 2016 11:24:36 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh? lol, well I always thought Delgado's master was a panto villain. I know he didn't wave his hands about much, but the impression I was left with was he was a villain that was wheeled onto set who waved and gesticulated and then the Doctor dashed and karate kicked him, story over, rinse and repeat.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 11:43:13 GMT
I loved the moment before the revelation in Dark Water where she's pretending to be a 'Random Access Neural Integrator'. That felt very Degaldo to me. Mmm, and it was done to a purpose. The gratuitous kiss aside, it wasn't just a bit of silliness thrown in like Kalid, it served her end goals to throw suspicion off herself.
|
|
|
Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 20, 2016 11:51:34 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh? lol, well I always thought Delgado's master was a panto villain. I know he didn't wave his hands about much, but the impression I was left with was he was a villain that was wheeled onto set who waved and gesticulated and then the Doctor dashed and karate kicked him, story over, rinse and repeat. So pretty much the ending to The Daemons then lol
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 14:51:19 GMT
Yes, the Master has never been a panto villain before Gomez eh? lol, well I always thought Delgado's master was a panto villain. I know he didn't wave his hands about much, but the impression I was left with was he was a villain that was wheeled onto set who waved and gesticulated and then the Doctor dashed and karate kicked him, story over, rinse and repeat. Exactly - (s)he's always been a panto villain - from Delgado on. That's not a criticism, a show as broad as Who with a family audience can do panto villain easily. Some incarnations of The Master choose to go more panto-dame than villain though, like Ainley and Roberts!
|
|
|
Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 20, 2016 18:57:24 GMT
I only have some story arcs on BF. 1 - 51 and the 1963. Very little else. I still can't listen to McCoys 1963, though! Most of those are standalone. The 1963s in particular have nothing to do with each other. The only real arcs in BF's 1999-2003 output are Charley/anti-time, Dalek Empire and the Forge/Evelyn stuff. There are also a couple links between audios here and there, but it's more akin to the linking scenes in, say, Season 19, than an actual arc. Key 2 Time? Sixie and the Land of Fiction?
|
|
|
Post by icecreamdf on Sept 20, 2016 19:24:13 GMT
Most of those are standalone. The 1963s in particular have nothing to do with each other. The only real arcs in BF's 1999-2003 output are Charley/anti-time, Dalek Empire and the Forge/Evelyn stuff. There are also a couple links between audios here and there, but it's more akin to the linking scenes in, say, Season 19, than an actual arc. Key 2 Time? Sixie and the Land of Fiction? Yeah. A lot of the trilogies are story arcs.
|
|
|
Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 20, 2016 19:43:46 GMT
Key 2 Time? Sixie and the Land of Fiction? Yeah. A lot of the trilogies are story arcs. Any good?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 19:52:04 GMT
My personal favourite arcs in Doctor Who have always been BF's. In particular, Charley's arc until Zagreus and then her whole time with Colin. You get these masterful stand-alone episodes with a couple questions buried in the text and that's it, until we hit the grand finales. The Sixth Doc ones shine especially bright for me, as I found myself listening to the next audio to hear what happened to Charley and being sucked into the main story of the piece instead. The arc keeps the listener coming back, the story makes it worth their while. I only have some story arcs on BF. 1 - 51 and the 1963. Very little else. I still can't listen to McCoys 1963, though! If you don't mind me wondering, how come you can't listen to it?
|
|
|
Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 20, 2016 19:54:41 GMT
I only have some story arcs on BF. 1 - 51 and the 1963. Very little else. I still can't listen to McCoys 1963, though! If you don't mind me wondering, how come you can't listen to it? Its McCoys performance. He over does the Scottish accent.
|
|
|
Post by icecreamdf on Sept 20, 2016 19:58:17 GMT
Yeah. A lot of the trilogies are story arcs. Any good? Sure, plenty of them are. The two you listed are both good. The recent Master trilogy is very good, and each of them can work as stand alone episodes. The first Klein trilogy was also pretty good. I'm sure there are others that I'm not thinking of right now.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 20:14:40 GMT
If you don't mind me wondering, how come you can't listen to it? Its McCoys performance. He over does the Scottish accent.
|
|
|
Post by constonks on Sept 20, 2016 21:48:20 GMT
Most of those are standalone. The 1963s in particular have nothing to do with each other. The only real arcs in BF's 1999-2003 output are Charley/anti-time, Dalek Empire and the Forge/Evelyn stuff. There are also a couple links between audios here and there, but it's more akin to the linking scenes in, say, Season 19, than an actual arc. Key 2 Time? Sixie and the Land of Fiction? Yes, absolutely. I said "1999-2003" - you said you owned 1-51 so I was talking about those releases specifically. BF has tons of story arcs after that (and one I forgot during that period - Excelis).
|
|
|
Post by MayoTango131 on Sept 30, 2016 21:27:23 GMT
I totally disagree. Michelle Gomez's Master is more in line with Roger Degaldo's Master after the strong divergence away from his portrayal with John Simm. She is the most Master-like version of the character the new series has had so far and there will never be a better new series Master than Michelle Gomez in my view. You're completely wrong there. John Simm at least in Series 3 was like the Master, but, sorry, Michelle Gomez is the most overplayed incarnation of the character yet. Even Eric Roberts couldn't ham it up to her extent. Sorry but NO, John Simm looked like a Tennant stereotype (I remember Doc Oho write in his "Trail of the White Worm" review: "Simm was so detached from what we recognised as the character he may have been a completely new villain" And I'd rather forget his electric mad dog "DDIIIINNNEEERRR TTTIIIIIMMMEEE!!! the phone scene was the only time that Simm was the Master. In addition, Missy is definitely the only thing great in the decadent Capaldi era, and the only actress who really puts passion and energy to his performance..
|
|