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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 13, 2016 11:44:01 GMT
This is something that has bugged me since 2005.
Why must every series of NuWho have a series long story arc?
Why are fans obsessed that every series must have a story arc?
I was going to add a poll, but I feel its more complicated than that!
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Post by Tony Jones on Sept 13, 2016 12:04:49 GMT
Have you read Peter Davison's interview in the latest DWM? He talks about why this is helpful
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 12:05:28 GMT
Arc's dominate and often destroy stories, don't like them, don't want them. Doctor Who certainly doesn't need them.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 13, 2016 12:10:02 GMT
Because it's fun!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 13, 2016 12:10:39 GMT
Have you read Peter Davison's interview in the latest DWM? He talks about why this is helpful Do you really think Peter Davison, an active performer, would say anything derogatory about NuWho, or anyone he is currently working with, or wants to work with?
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 12:11:05 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 12:14:44 GMT
Have you read Peter Davison's interview in the latest DWM? He talks about why this is helpful Do you really think Peter Davison, an active performer, would say anything derogatory about NuWho, or anyone he is currently working with, or wants to work with? Being derogatory is not the same as having insight. Why does anyone need to be derogatory about anything? I have not read the article and probably never will, but there is no reason to expect that Peter Davison doesn't have critical insight into why arcs work or don't work.
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Post by pawntake on Sept 13, 2016 12:22:43 GMT
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 13, 2016 12:32:03 GMT
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 13, 2016 12:33:03 GMT
Have you read Peter Davison's interview in the latest DWM? He talks about why this is helpful Do you really think Peter Davison, an active performer, would say anything derogatory about NuWho, or anyone he is currently working with, or wants to work with? From what I've read, Peter is certainly not shy about saying what he thinks about people Cheers Tony
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Post by Tony Jones on Sept 13, 2016 12:34:35 GMT
Have you read Peter Davison's interview in the latest DWM? He talks about why this is helpful Do you really think Peter Davison, an active performer, would say anything derogatory about NuWho, or anyone he is currently working with, or wants to work with? I suggest you read the article
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Sept 13, 2016 12:39:29 GMT
Do you really think Peter Davison, an active performer, would say anything derogatory about NuWho, or anyone he is currently working with, or wants to work with? I suggest you read the article Not interested in DWM.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 13, 2016 12:44:08 GMT
I just think it adds to the enjoyment of watching the show. You're trying to work out how it fits together, what the cracks in time could mean etc... It expands your imagination and makes the show feel more interactive. Encouraging you to be clever and observant.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 12:49:13 GMT
I suggest we all move away from one line snipes and rejoinders and as the rules say "Do not simply reject or belittle the opinion or advice given by others. If you don't agree with it and want to say so, say why - respectfully." i.e. a bit more thoughtful discussion would help this thread along no end.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 13, 2016 13:10:17 GMT
Every Who Serial has an Arc its just that Classic Who ones were usually restricted to a set number of eps and then resolved properly usually to the audiences satisfaction
What happened with the 11th doc arc was that 3 things happened across 3 years, the 1st of which happened through incorrect assumption, the 2nd and 3rd we find out had to happen, so nullifies the effects of the 1st, and is all explained though 30 seconds garbled afterthought in the final story.
In short story arcs are a device used to maintain interest in a fictional Drama, however IMO, it dose have to end up making sense.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 13:16:28 GMT
I just think it adds to the enjoyment of watching the show. You're trying to work out how it fits together, what the cracks in time could mean etc... It expands your imagination and makes the show feel more interactive. Encouraging you to be clever and observant. I agree, odd things like that can spark the imagination, and good arcs can be really great. Good arcs that I can think of in Who would be The Doctors on going struggles with the customs and politics of Galifrey, why is this a good arc? Because it's the very water the Doctor swims in, it informs and reflects his every decision and action, sometimes it's to the for and sometimes it's hardly present, but it is always present, any long time fan of the show always knows that in the back of The Doctors mind is a thought about what The Timelords think, might do etc This arc really does spark the imagination, it makes one wonder about The Doctors past, about who the Timelords are etc etc But bad arcs seem to be the mainstay. Random things happen in stories unrelated to the story and which largely go unnoticed by the protagonists, these random events add nothing to the story and removing them from the story would not diminish it in anyway, contrast that the "good arc" I identified above, where events inside that arc always add and inform even if subtly. Or arcs just trample on stories, adding a scene or disposition that makes no sense to host story. When it comes to Doctor Who, many arcs also fail to me because of the nature of the very show, which is why do so many arcs apparently follow The Doctor? Some make sense, Bad Wolf was Rose, so Rose was the thing being tracked, except why didn't it follow the whole of the time Rose spent with The Doctor? Where an arc is about or attached to The Doctor why does it seem centred on a specific part of his timeline? If someone is attempting to interact with The Doctor and isn't a Timelord themselves, then surely their interactions with him will happened randomly across his (The Doctor) timeline? In short arcs can be good, but all too often they don't make sense, are executed badly and individual writers either don't get it or find it bolted onto their story later (again contrast with the "good arc" above).
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Post by pawntake on Sept 13, 2016 13:19:05 GMT
This link illustrates that there were story-arcs in the classic series long before NuWho started.As far as story-arcs are concerned I am not really bothered one way or the other. I just like good Sci- FI. Although lots of tv series these days have story-arcs.Perhaps its just fashionable in drama at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 14:20:55 GMT
If done well and kept reasonably tight, I have no problem with arcs. If a story arc goes on too long or doesn't end up beng resolved, and/or doesn't make sense when it is, then it can detract from enjoying the individual stories, and even the show. It's not just in Nu Who; I actually thought the 'Hex' main range arc went on way too long and it put me off of the 7th Doctor audios, and Hex as a character; I just wished he would hurry up and die... and not come back!
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Post by jasonward on Sept 13, 2016 14:35:22 GMT
I think Hex is a great example of a bad arc, as a companion I thought he was great, but as his character got more intertwined with his arc the more painful his character got, I actually still enjoyed many of the stories he's been in, but I started to really dislike him and Ace's interactions with him. I don't think he was a bad companion or character, but his arc killed both.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 13, 2016 14:43:35 GMT
You are dissing The Key to Time?
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