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Post by jasonward on Sept 19, 2016 10:57:13 GMT
Huh? The only reason for stopping selling CD's is because is no longer a profitable thing to do, and the only reason to sell downloads is because it's profitable... how does the point at which selling CD's becomes unprofitable stop downloads from being profitable? Sorry my meaning was if they went the DL only route could BF still cover their production costs, make a profit. maintain the number ranges, and avoid losing out to torrent if they sold them at £20 a time, and also would anyone pay more then £20 for a Dl only cause if Nick Briggs is sincre about current costs I doubt they'd sell a new Full=Cast production for less?
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BF currently sell their audio's for the £20 price, and they do so both on download and CD, the reason for ending CD sales would be because people have stopped buying them and moved to download, your scenario assumes a falling customer base, but unless the streaming services eat into sales without making a substantial contribution to income there is little reason to assume this will happen, BF's history, with a blip I understand around the time of Divergent Universe stories and TV shows revival, has been of growth and I don't see that ending any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 13:08:09 GMT
Sorry my meaning was if they went the DL only route could BF still cover their production costs, make a profit. maintain the number ranges, and avoid losing out to torrent if they sold them at £20 a time, and also would anyone pay more then £20 for a Dl only cause if Nick Briggs is sincre about current costs I doubt they'd sell a new Full=Cast production for less?
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BF currently sell their audio's for the £20 price, and they do so both on download and CD, the reason for ending CD sales would be because people have stopped buying them and moved to download, your scenario assumes a falling customer base, but unless the streaming services eat into sales without making a substantial contribution to income there is little reason to assume this will happen, BF's history, with a blip I understand around the time of Divergent Universe stories and TV shows revival, has been of growth and I don't see that ending any time soon. But they don't. The only boxset CD's selling at the same price as the downloads are those that are from long running series like UNIT or Doom Coalition. I'll bet good money that in future all CD releases are dearer than download.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 19, 2016 13:22:00 GMT
BF currently sell their audio's for the £20 price, and they do so both on download and CD, the reason for ending CD sales would be because people have stopped buying them and moved to download, your scenario assumes a falling customer base, but unless the streaming services eat into sales without making a substantial contribution to income there is little reason to assume this will happen, BF's history, with a blip I understand around the time of Divergent Universe stories and TV shows revival, has been of growth and I don't see that ending any time soon. But they don't. The only boxset CD's selling at the same price as the downloads are those that are from long running series like UNIT or Doom Coalition. I'll bet good money that in future all CD releases are dearer than download. That sounds like CD sales subsidise download sales, if either type subsidises the other, I would strongly expect it to be the other way around.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 19, 2016 15:09:27 GMT
It does seem odd that if you buy a Big Finish title through Humble Bundle you get the original digital audio files in FLAC format, but BF themselves don't offer the same. Seriously?!? Oy! Waiter... some stronger coffee for our friend the Gnu, if you please? I think this makes twice in one morning he's been caught napping...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 16:12:39 GMT
But they don't. The only boxset CD's selling at the same price as the downloads are those that are from long running series like UNIT or Doom Coalition. I'll bet good money that in future all CD releases are dearer than download. That sounds like CD sales subsidise download sales, if either type subsidises the other, I would strongly expect it to be the other way around. I would expect that to be the case too... if there was any element of one format subsidisng the other.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 16:28:22 GMT
It does seem odd that if you buy a Big Finish title through Humble Bundle you get the original digital audio files in FLAC format, but BF themselves don't offer the same. Seriously?!? Oy! Waiter... some stronger coffee for our friend the Gnu, if you please? I think this makes twice in one morning he's been caught napping... Ehh?
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Post by jasonward on Sept 19, 2016 16:33:43 GMT
Seriously?!? Oy! Waiter... some stronger coffee for our friend the Gnu, if you please? I think this makes twice in one morning he's been caught napping... Ehh? You captured my thoughts on the matter quite eloquently.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 19, 2016 17:55:15 GMT
Well, as an itemized list
1. I was hoping Big Finish could earn future revenue on CD-quality download sales 2. Sounds like they're already giving them away - missed opportunity? 3. I'm miffed because I'd love to have my Big Finish collection in FLAC instead of mp3 4. I think this might be another marketing blunder along with disenfranchising CD customers.
I was just trying to find a more playful way of pointing it out, I'm not terribly fond of criticizing BF.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 19, 2016 18:05:40 GMT
I would strongly object to having to pay extra for CD quality downloads, but it does seem very strange to me that Humble Bundle customers (who pay almost nothing compared to regular customers of BF) get FLAC downloads whilst those that pay full price direct to BF only get MP3, that is another one of those bad taste in mouth moments that BF seem have to engendered of late.
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Post by chapwithwings on Sept 19, 2016 18:10:58 GMT
I am a rare thing on here - I prefer downloads. I have my complete collection on y macBook, cloud & external hard drive, so triple backed up. Downloads are more environmentally friendly, they are instant and they are cheaper - if CD's were done away with completely then I think the price of Downlaods would plummet.
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Post by muckypup on Sept 19, 2016 18:56:39 GMT
I am a rare thing on here - I prefer downloads. I have my complete collection on y macBook, cloud & external hard drive, so triple backed up. Downloads are more environmentally friendly, they are instant and they are cheaper - if CD's were done away with completely then I think the price of Downlaods would plummet. They are defiantly not more environmentally friendly....as its not a throw away item so not destined to end up in landfill, the cost of the always on servers, all your power costs and the fact that the tech you use will probably be out of date and defunct long before you would ditch a CD & player it has more impact on the environment. not sure download costs would change much if they were download only, running times for download only series have been about the same minute for minute but agree I like downloads much better would not go back to cd's, only downside is there is no risduel value in downloads like ebooks the biggest losers is the second hand market.....the greenest form of retail
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Post by chapwithwings on Sept 19, 2016 19:02:35 GMT
i was thinking more about the manufacturing - all that plastic and then the cost of shipping, transport etc. I agree about the death of the 2nd hand market but really Big Finish are so niche I cant see the 2nd hand market being THAT big...
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Post by pawntake on Sept 19, 2016 21:08:43 GMT
I am a rare thing on here - I prefer downloads. Downloads are more environmentally friendly, they are instant and they are cheaper - I do not believe you are a rare thing on here. more and more people are turning to Downloads,for all the reasons you mention above.Nick said as much in the latest Podcast.There will always be people who prefer the cds ,and Nick was very sympathetic towards "The Completists" Not only mentioning Postage costs,but also adding that due to "Brexit" prices for cd pressings were greatly increasing.Despite this I am sure BF will continue to produce cds for many years to come.
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Post by constonks on Sept 20, 2016 2:01:43 GMT
I love the CDs. The discs look great and they line up nicely on a shelf. That being said, I live in Canada. I download.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 20, 2016 2:10:10 GMT
I'm download only too, buying CD would have added years onto the time it would have taken to get to hear all these wonderful stories. On the other hand, I do have two boxes of BF CD-only releases and they're all such lovely items that it did make me daydream about getting busy with hammer and saw and making accommodations for more.
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Post by fingersmash on Sept 20, 2016 5:59:01 GMT
I'm a university student in South Carolina. I download because I don't have the space for CDs in a dorm and it's cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 11:32:00 GMT
On the other hand, I do have two boxes of BF CD-only releases and they're all such lovely items that it did make me daydream about getting busy with hammer and saw and making accommodations for more. Do it!!!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 20, 2016 17:19:54 GMT
I am a rare thing on here - I prefer downloads. I have my complete collection on y macBook, cloud & external hard drive, so triple backed up. Downloads are more environmentally friendly, they are instant and they are cheaper - if CD's were done away with completely then I think the price of Downlaods would plummet. Only problem with downloads is if you accidentally delete them from every cloud, computer and external storage and the Big Finish servers are down or permanently gone then you are stuck with nothing.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 20, 2016 17:25:03 GMT
I am a rare thing on here - I prefer downloads. I have my complete collection on y macBook, cloud & external hard drive, so triple backed up. Downloads are more environmentally friendly, they are instant and they are cheaper - if CD's were done away with completely then I think the price of Downlaods would plummet. Only problem with downloads is if you accidentally delete them from every cloud, computer and external storage and the Big Finish servers are down or permanently gone then you are stuck with nothing. Huh? So... that's worse than loosing or damaging a CD? Also, if BF have vanished and their are no more legitimate sources for the audios they would in effect become like abondonware and other sources would pop up, and much like most abondonware no one would try to stop it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 20, 2016 17:27:08 GMT
Only problem with downloads is if you accidentally delete them from every cloud, computer and external storage and the Big Finish servers are down or permanently gone then you are stuck with nothing. Huh? So... that's worse than loosing or damaging a CD? IMO it is much less likely you'll lose or damage a CD.
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