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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 16:25:47 GMT
And it could have been so much better, if more care was taken with it. Well, we could also say that about a lot of old Doctor Who episodes! You could. But the problem is that the problem with these stories are so blindingly obvious, in my eyes, and that he makes the same mistakes twice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 16:27:11 GMT
Well, we could also say that about a lot of old Doctor Who episodes! Examples, please! Twin Dilemma. Warriors Of The Deep. Terminus. Time-Flight. Most things between after Baker left and before Season 25.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 16:43:08 GMT
Well, we could also say that about a lot of old Doctor Who episodes! Examples, please! How long have you got? There are plenty of them from the 60's, 70's & 80's! Impefections in Doctor Who - be it because of budget constraints, scripts and rewrites, lack of time to do/re-do things, etc. - are nothing new. More time, money, and care would have helped plenty of old episodes. Especially some of Colin Baker's stories, which I thought were especially poor compared to other eras of the show. (If the JNT era was now, the inmates of Gallifrey Base would be frothing at the mouth more than they do over Steven Moffat.) We call it the classic era, but they all weren't classics!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 18, 2016 18:18:51 GMT
How long have you got? There are plenty of them from the 60's, 70's & 80's! Impefections in Doctor Who - be it because of budget constraints, scripts and rewrites, lack of time to do/re-do things, etc. - are nothing new. More time, money, and care would have helped plenty of old episodes. Especially some of Colin Baker's stories, which I thought were especially poor compared to other eras of the show. (If the JNT era was now, the inmates of Gallifrey Base would be frothing at the mouth more than they do over Steven Moffat.) We call it the classic era, but they all weren't classics! Of course, no era is perfect. Even the Russell T Davies era had *Shudders* Love & Monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:41:57 GMT
We call it the classic era, but they all weren't classics! Of course, no era is perfect. Even the Russell T Davies era had *Shudders* Love & Monsters. That needed a heck of a lot more than a bit of care to make it better! (IMO of course!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:48:18 GMT
Of course, no era is perfect. Even the Russell T Davies era had *Shudders* Love & Monsters. That needed a heck of a lot more than a bit of care to make it better! (IMO of course!) Well, I have to agree. LOM could have been so much better. Season 13, Season 25 and Season 26 are the only seasons I struggle to find major faults in. Yes, even Silver Nemesis and Android Invasion. Oh, and most of RTD's era.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 18, 2016 18:49:28 GMT
Twin Dilemma. Warriors Of The Deep. Terminus. Time-Flight. Most things between after Baker left and before Season 25. Well, erm, ,cough! You're probably correct with those named examples. JNT doesn't cover himself in glory, but again, you have to realise that NO ONE at the BBC loved Doctor Who. Now, if you mention Doctor Who at the BBC, everyone wants to take credit! Its an embarrassment! Twin Dilemma is very poor. Warriors of the Deep does have plenty faults - Too light, Myrka, Monsters look poor, but NO plot holes. Budget is the problem. Time-Flights only real issue is the Concords tyres.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 23:36:58 GMT
Twin Dilemma. Warriors Of The Deep. Terminus. Time-Flight. Most things between after Baker left and before Season 25. If they'd just focussed on Jaconda like they did in that second half it would have been a really good story. Hell, even the Target novelisation's take on events would've been better. I still reckon this would've been great to remove from the production schedule and make the Sixth Doctor's debut. Production problems were rife during this part of the programme weren't they? The director Mary Ridge tried her very best to work around all the confusion and get the damn thing done. Cutting it down to two episodes may have alleviated some of its problems or simply just trying another kind of story altogether, rather than trying to get free tickets on Concorde. Egh... Season 24 was definitely the learning curve season for Andrew Cartmel, he did quite a lot better once he'd learnt the ropes and got a stable of writers together. The difference between Time and the Rani and Remembrance of the Daleks is leaps and bounds.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 18, 2016 23:44:42 GMT
Twin Dilemma. Warriors Of The Deep. Terminus. Time-Flight. Most things between after Baker left and before Season 25. Time-Flights only real issue is the Concords tyres. You really think that's Time Flight's only real issue?
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Post by mrperson on Oct 19, 2016 2:01:56 GMT
Of course, no era is perfect. Even the Russell T Davies era had *Shudders* Love & Monsters. That needed a heck of a lot more than a bit of care to make it better! (IMO of course!) Such as burning the script and writing something else with the title (in my very correct opinion).
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 19, 2016 6:20:38 GMT
The more i hear about season 10 the less I'm looking forward to it, i think the show has jumped the shark & become too predictable, not Moffat bashing, that's just saying that's how i see it at the minute.
I much prefer listening to the excellent Big Finish Doctor Who audio dramas than NuWho.
Only episode I'm interested in watching is the one with David Suchet appears in.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 19, 2016 9:14:15 GMT
Time-Flights only real issue is the Concords tyres. You really think that's Time Flight's only real issue? You havent even told us what Time Flights issues were!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:24:59 GMT
You really think that's Time Flight's only real issue? You havent even told us what Time Flights issues were! The Master is wasted. There are too many plotholes. The acting's atrocious. The monsters are rubbish. The Professor character is way, way too convenient. The writing is bland, boring and tedious. The 5th Doctor is bored. And those are just to name a few.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 19, 2016 9:33:14 GMT
You havent even told us what Time Flights issues were! The Master is wasted. There are too many plotholes. The acting's atrocious. The monsters are rubbish. The Professor character is way, way too convenient. The writing is bland, boring and tedious. The 5th Doctor is bored. And those are just to name a few. Please enlighten me on the many plotholes!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:45:44 GMT
The Master is wasted. There are too many plotholes. The acting's atrocious. The monsters are rubbish. The Professor character is way, way too convenient. The writing is bland, boring and tedious. The 5th Doctor is bored. And those are just to name a few. Please enlighten me on the many plotholes! First of all, why does the Master where a mask? Second of all, why does the Master have a snot explosion? Why are there split-personality Xeraphin? How can the Doctor help the Xeraphin by pressing buttons? Why does the Professor come back as an avatar and help the Captain? Why does the Doctor leave Tegan behind without saying goodbye? And the plot, in general, makes no sense?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 19, 2016 9:53:57 GMT
Please enlighten me on the many plotholes! First of all, why does the Master where a mask? Second of all, why does the Master have a snot explosion? Why are there split-personality Xeraphin? How can the Doctor help the Xeraphin by pressing buttons? Why does the Professor come back as an avatar and help the Captain? Why does the Doctor leave Tegan behind without saying goodbye? And the plot, in general, makes no sense? Those aren't plot holes! Please do research of the meaning of "plot hole". Just because you don't like something, or don't understand it does not mean its a plot hole!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:57:16 GMT
First of all, why does the Master where a mask? Second of all, why does the Master have a snot explosion? Why are there split-personality Xeraphin? How can the Doctor help the Xeraphin by pressing buttons? Why does the Professor come back as an avatar and help the Captain? Why does the Doctor leave Tegan behind without saying goodbye? And the plot, in general, makes no sense? Those aren't plot holes! Please do research of the meaning of "plot hole". Just because you don't like something, or don't understand it does not mean its a plot hole! They aren't explained. Besides, I think you'd better look up the word whining and what people think of people who do it.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 19, 2016 10:10:13 GMT
Those aren't plot holes! Please do research of the meaning of "plot hole". Just because you don't like something, or don't understand it does not mean its a plot hole! They aren't explained. Besides, I think you'd better look up the word whining and what people think of people who do it. So, you're now saying that because its Classic Who, and something isn't explained its a plot hole, yet in NuWho, there is no such thing as a plothole and its up to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 10:12:40 GMT
They aren't explained. Besides, I think you'd better look up the word whining and what people think of people who do it. So, you're now saying that because its Classic Who, and something isn't explained its a plot hole, yet in NuWho, there is no such thing as a plothole and its up to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves? No, you silly. I said in one story from Classic Who there were plenty of plothoels. Yes, there are also plenty of plotholes in NuWho, especially in the Steven Moffat era.
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 19, 2016 13:08:46 GMT
Sorry i thought you meant potholes, they can be a nuisance, Actually the plotholes make perfect sense if u think about it, leaping gaps of illogical bafflegab does wonders for one's mind.....and it's time for my meds.
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