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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 13, 2020 11:24:18 GMT
Billions Season 5 Episodes 1-3
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 13, 2020 11:45:23 GMT
Supernatural S15E19. Wow.. PERFECT ending.. but apparantly it's not, there is another episode (double) next week to complete the series.
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Post by polly on Nov 14, 2020 5:09:08 GMT
The Simpsons: Ullman Shorts 14-15 - These are starting to resemble the series more and more.
Star Trek TNG: Season 1, Episodes 7-8 - The Picard/Stargazer backstory is worth the Ferengi madman. The first season is not irredeemable, but it's a rough ride so far. It appears to be settling into a pattern of alternating crappy episodes with good ones each week.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 14, 2020 11:24:29 GMT
The Simpsons: Ullman Shorts 14-15 - These are starting to resemble the series more and more. Star Trek TNG: Season 1, Episodes 7-8 - The Picard/ Stargazer backstory is worth the Ferengi madman. The first season is not irredeemable, but it's a rough ride so far. It appears to be settling into a pattern of alternating crappy episodes with good ones each week. I did come up with a plan to turn Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG into a single series, but of course some of the "bad" episodes would have to stay because of later story points
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 11:55:39 GMT
The Simpsons: Ullman Shorts 14-15 - These are starting to resemble the series more and more. Star Trek TNG: Season 1, Episodes 7-8 - The Picard/ Stargazer backstory is worth the Ferengi madman. The first season is not irredeemable, but it's a rough ride so far. It appears to be settling into a pattern of alternating crappy episodes with good ones each week. I did come up with a plan to turn Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG into a single series, but of course some of the "bad" episodes would have to stay because of later story points What was your playlist? I ended up with: - Encounter at Farpoint
- Where No One Has Gone Before
- Heart of Glory
- The Battle
- Skin of Evil
- Conspiracy
- The Measure of a Man
- Where Silence Has Lease
- The Icarus Factor
- Contagion
- Loud as a Whisper
- A Matter of Honour
- Elementary, Dear Data
- Pen Pals
- Time Squared
- Q Who
I thought about including "Datalore" in the line-up, but none of the future episodes really ended up needing it as a reference point.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 14, 2020 12:00:05 GMT
I did come up with a plan to turn Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG into a single series, but of course some of the "bad" episodes would have to stay because of later story points What was your playlist? I ended up with: - Encounter at Farpoint
- Where No One Has Gone Before
- Heart of Glory
- The Battle
- Skin of Evil
- Conspiracy
- The Measure of a Man
- Where Silence Has Lease
- The Icarus Factor
- Contagion
- Loud as a Whisper
- A Matter of Honour
- Elementary, Dear Data
- Pen Pals
- Time Squared
- Q Who
I thought about including "Datalore" in the line-up, but none of the future episodes really ended up needing it as a reference point.
I had DataLore in actually, because a couple future episodes do reference it. Especially around Seasons 5/6. I also had Season 2 opener The Child in because it introduces Dr. Polaski. Im going to have to check again what else i had. Think i ended up with between 22 and 26 episodes, so i definitely got rid of a Seasons worth of episodes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 12:05:53 GMT
What was your playlist? I ended up with: - Encounter at Farpoint
- Where No One Has Gone Before
- Heart of Glory
- The Battle
- Skin of Evil
- Conspiracy
- The Measure of a Man
- Where Silence Has Lease
- The Icarus Factor
- Contagion
- Loud as a Whisper
- A Matter of Honour
- Elementary, Dear Data
- Pen Pals
- Time Squared
- Q Who
I thought about including "Datalore" in the line-up, but none of the future episodes really ended up needing it as a reference point.
I had DataLore in actually, because a couple future episodes do reference it. Especially around Seasons 5/6. I also had Season 2 opener The Child in because it introduces Dr. Polaski. Im going to have to check again what else i had. Think i ended up with between 22 and 26 episodes, so i definitely got rid of a Seasons worth of episodes Oh, you're right, too. That would bring it up to a comfortable 18 episodes. Which season do you think strikes the landing more, Season 1 or 2? I like a few of the concepts in the first (it's a shame that "Conspiracy" was never followed up), but I'm more partial to the second. It felt as though it had a more cohesive mission statement and a greater sense of being "out there" on unusual and unexplored frontiers.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 14, 2020 12:13:59 GMT
I had DataLore in actually, because a couple future episodes do reference it. Especially around Seasons 5/6. I also had Season 2 opener The Child in because it introduces Dr. Polaski. Im going to have to check again what else i had. Think i ended up with between 22 and 26 episodes, so i definitely got rid of a Seasons worth of episodes Oh, you're right, too. That would bring it up to a comfortable 18 episodes. Which season do you think strikes the landing more, Season 1 or 2? I like a few of the concepts in the first (it's a shame that "Conspiracy" was never followed up), but I'm more partial to the second. It felt as though it had a more cohesive mission statement and a greater sense of being "out there" on unusual and unexplored frontiers. Its split between the 2 tbf. Season 1 has some of the better ideas, while the latter half of Season 2 has the better writing. Yeah Conspiracy was a thread that could have had a bigger impact if they'd picked it up around Seasons 6/7. But from what i also remember the plan was originally that it would have led into the introduction of the Borg at the end of Season 1. Back when they were going to be more Reptilian/Insect like.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 14, 2020 12:45:18 GMT
I did come up with a plan to turn Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG into a single series, but of course some of the "bad" episodes would have to stay because of later story points What was your playlist? I ended up with: - Encounter at Farpoint
- Where No One Has Gone Before
- Heart of Glory
- The Battle
- Skin of Evil
- Conspiracy
- The Measure of a Man
- Where Silence Has Lease
- The Icarus Factor
- Contagion
- Loud as a Whisper
- A Matter of Honour
- Elementary, Dear Data
- Pen Pals
- Time Squared
- Q Who
I thought about including "Datalore" in the line-up, but none of the future episodes really ended up needing it as a reference point.
I found the list i had. and ive noticed a couple on yours are missing on mine. Mine's in show order not my order but i agree Q Who would make a great season Finale 1"Encounter at Farpoint" 2 "The Naked Now" 3 "The Last Outpost" 4 "Where No One Has Gone Before" 5 "The Battle" 6 "Hide and Q" 7 "Datalore" 8 "11001001" 9 "Coming of Age" 10 "Heart of Glory" 11 "Skin of Evil" 12 "Conspiracy" 13 "The Neutral Zone" 14 "The Child" 15 "Where Silence Has Lease" 16 "Elementary, Dear Data" 17 "Loud as a Whisper" 18 A Matter of Honor 19 "The Measure of a Man" 20 "Time Squared" 21 "Pen Pals" 22 "Q Who" 23 "The Emissary" Now I've got 23 episodes in my Single Season. So I've cut 24 episodes. But looking at my list if 2 or 3 more needed to be cut they could be
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Post by Digi on Nov 14, 2020 15:38:20 GMT
Finished off The Good Place a few days ago, started up Justified yesterday and am just past halfway through season 1. Not sure it's a favourite (yet), but I'm enjoying it enough that I'm happy to continue watching.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2020 15:45:27 GMT
Finished off The Good Place a few days ago, started up Justified yesterday and am just past halfway through season 1. Not sure it's a favourite (yet), but I'm enjoying it enough that I'm happy to continue watching. Justified got praised for its leads but like Ray Donovan I think its very much an assemble piece that evolves as the show goes on. Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 19:53:43 GMT
Oh, you're right, too. That would bring it up to a comfortable 18 episodes. Which season do you think strikes the landing more, Season 1 or 2? I like a few of the concepts in the first (it's a shame that "Conspiracy" was never followed up), but I'm more partial to the second. It felt as though it had a more cohesive mission statement and a greater sense of being "out there" on unusual and unexplored frontiers. Its split between the 2 tbf. Season 1 has some of the better ideas, while the latter half of Season 2 has the better writing. Yeah Conspiracy was a thread that could have had a bigger impact if they'd picked it up around Seasons 6/7. But from what i also remember the plan was originally that it would have led into the introduction of the Borg at the end of Season 1. Back when they were going to be more Reptilian/Insect like. Yeah, from my understanding of it, the plan was that they'd be introduced in stages. First the scouts, then the ground troops, and whatever emerged next. "Time Squared" was also intended as a prequel to "Q Who" with the anomaly being something of a calling card for Q. What was your playlist? I ended up with: - Encounter at Farpoint
- Where No One Has Gone Before
- Heart of Glory
- The Battle
- Skin of Evil
- Conspiracy
- The Measure of a Man
- Where Silence Has Lease
- The Icarus Factor
- Contagion
- Loud as a Whisper
- A Matter of Honour
- Elementary, Dear Data
- Pen Pals
- Time Squared
- Q Who
I thought about including "Datalore" in the line-up, but none of the future episodes really ended up needing it as a reference point.
I found the list i had. and ive noticed a couple on yours are missing on mine. Mine's in show order not my order but i agree Q Who would make a great season Finale 1"Encounter at Farpoint" 2 "The Naked Now" 3 "The Last Outpost" 4 "Where No One Has Gone Before" 5 "The Battle" 6 "Hide and Q" 7 "Datalore" 8 "11001001" 9 "Coming of Age" 10 "Heart of Glory" 11 "Skin of Evil" 12 "Conspiracy" 13 "The Neutral Zone" 14 "The Child" 15 "Where Silence Has Lease" 16 "Elementary, Dear Data" 17 "Loud as a Whisper" 18 A Matter of Honor 19 "The Measure of a Man" 20 "Time Squared" 21 "Pen Pals" 22 "Q Who" 23 "The Emissary" Now I've got 23 episodes in my Single Season. So I've cut 24 episodes. But looking at my list if 2 or 3 more needed to be cut they could be There's quite a lot of overlap there, though, interesting. I remember compiling my list from "The Measure of a Man" backwards, which might explain the brevity on mine. In both of ours, the Klingons aren't introduced until "Heart of Glory", but you have to wait until "Contagion" to see the Romulans in mine. That's an interesting one because there's no sequel to it... in TNG. By the time Worf arrives on DS9 in Season 4, however, they're following up on it in "To the Death". "The Icarus Factor" isn't quite the same bombastic action-adventure fun of "Contagion", but I included it because it injected an interesting bit of self-conflict for Riker and fleshed out why he appeared as ambitious as he was in those first couple seasons.
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Post by polly on Nov 14, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
Its split between the 2 tbf. Season 1 has some of the better ideas, while the latter half of Season 2 has the better writing. Yeah Conspiracy was a thread that could have had a bigger impact if they'd picked it up around Seasons 6/7. But from what i also remember the plan was originally that it would have led into the introduction of the Borg at the end of Season 1. Back when they were going to be more Reptilian/Insect like. Yeah, from my understanding of it, the plan was that they'd be introduced in stages. First the scouts, then the ground troops, and whatever emerged next. "Time Squared" was also intended as a prequel to "Q Who" with the anomaly being something of a calling card for Q. I found the list i had. and ive noticed a couple on yours are missing on mine. Mine's in show order not my order but i agree Q Who would make a great season Finale [...] Now I've got 23 episodes in my Single Season. So I've cut 24 episodes. But looking at my list if 2 or 3 more needed to be cut they could be There's quite a lot of overlap there, though, interesting. I remember compiling my list from "The Measure of a Man" backwards, which might explain the brevity on mine. In both of ours, the Klingons aren't introduced until "Heart of Glory", but you have to wait until "Contagion" to see the Romulans in mine. That's an interesting one because there's no sequel to it... in TNG. By the time Worf arrives on DS9 in Season 4, however, they're following up on it in "To the Death". "The Icarus Factor" isn't quite the same bombastic action-adventure fun of "Contagion", but I included it because it injected an interesting bit of self-conflict for Riker and fleshed out why he appeared as ambitious as he was in those first couple seasons. I myself have telescoped and condensed the entire run of TNG. Several years ago Mr Polly and I were doing Star Trek Sundays at his parents' house, as his mother was an original recipe Trekkie who hadn't watched in many years, so I put together an abridged watchlist. Cutting down to the absolute bone, I have this: 1. Encounter at Farpoint (obviously) 2. The Naked Now (as a follow-up to TOS, if doing TNG in isolation, skippable) 3. The Last Outpost (introduces the Ferengi) 4. Where No One Has Gone Before (Wes/Traveler arc) 5. The Battle (Picard backstory) 6. Hide and Q (Q arc) 7. Haven (introduces Lwaxana) 8. Datalore (Lore arc) 9. Coming of Age (parasite arc) 10. Heart of Glory (re-introduction of the Klingons) 11. Skin of Evil (Character departure) 12. Conspiracy (parasite arc) 13. Neutral Zone (Romulans, Borg foreshadowing) 14. The Child (introduces Pulaski and Guinan) 15. Elementary, Dear Data (Moriarty arc) 16. Measure of a Man (Data development) 17. Q Who? (Borg, Q) 18. The Emissary (Worf development)
I'd add the following good, but non-essential episodes to round out to a fuller season: The Schizoid Man A Matter of Honor Time Squared Pen Pals
As for which is better, Season 2 all the way. The first season is so bad that even its peaks are not as high as Season 2's. The general smug attitude of the crew that first year makes the lows worse than they would otherwise be.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 14, 2020 22:32:37 GMT
Its split between the 2 tbf. Season 1 has some of the better ideas, while the latter half of Season 2 has the better writing. Yeah Conspiracy was a thread that could have had a bigger impact if they'd picked it up around Seasons 6/7. But from what i also remember the plan was originally that it would have led into the introduction of the Borg at the end of Season 1. Back when they were going to be more Reptilian/Insect like. Yeah, from my understanding of it, the plan was that they'd be introduced in stages. First the scouts, then the ground troops, and whatever emerged next. "Time Squared" was also intended as a prequel to "Q Who" with the anomaly being something of a calling card for Q. I found the list i had. and ive noticed a couple on yours are missing on mine. Mine's in show order not my order but i agree Q Who would make a great season Finale 1"Encounter at Farpoint" 2 "The Naked Now" 3 "The Last Outpost" 4 "Where No One Has Gone Before" 5 "The Battle" 6 "Hide and Q" 7 "Datalore" 8 "11001001" 9 "Coming of Age" 10 "Heart of Glory" 11 "Skin of Evil" 12 "Conspiracy" 13 "The Neutral Zone" 14 "The Child" 15 "Where Silence Has Lease" 16 "Elementary, Dear Data" 17 "Loud as a Whisper" 18 A Matter of Honor 19 "The Measure of a Man" 20 "Time Squared" 21 "Pen Pals" 22 "Q Who" 23 "The Emissary" Now I've got 23 episodes in my Single Season. So I've cut 24 episodes. But looking at my list if 2 or 3 more needed to be cut they could be There's quite a lot of overlap there, though, interesting. I remember compiling my list from "The Measure of a Man" backwards, which might explain the brevity on mine. In both of ours, the Klingons aren't introduced until "Heart of Glory", but you have to wait until "Contagion" to see the Romulans in mine. That's an interesting one because there's no sequel to it... in TNG. By the time Worf arrives on DS9 in Season 4, however, they're following up on it in "To the Death". "The Icarus Factor" isn't quite the same bombastic action-adventure fun of "Contagion", but I included it because it injected an interesting bit of self-conflict for Riker and fleshed out why he appeared as ambitious as he was in those first couple seasons. The Icarus Factor nearly made it into mine, but i think i put The Last Outpost in instead as it introduced the Ferengi. Though that could be saved until The Battle. Coming of Age had to be in it for me as it starts the Conspiracy arc and is referenced in Matter of Honor. It does become difficult at times. There is quite a juggling act
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 0:11:47 GMT
Huh, looking at all three combined -- all in all in all -- TNG did an extremely good job of utilising the bones of what it had and turning it into something more. Half a season from each isn't bad. Funny, though, because it's got a reputation as a series for being one that didn't lean too heavily on serialisation, but there's so much worldbuilding that gets carried over even from Day 1 with "Farpoint". I'd forgotten that Guinan wasn't introduced until the second season, that's surreal to me. She feels like a constant fixture of Ten Forward and advice (or drinks) for the crew.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 15, 2020 2:30:05 GMT
Its cool how close our 3 Seasons are. There's only maybe a couple of episodes that are different in each
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Post by polly on Nov 15, 2020 3:29:28 GMT
Huh, looking at all three combined -- all in all in all -- TNG did an extremely good job of utilising the bones of what it had and turning it into something more. Half a season from each isn't bad. Funny, though, because it's got a reputation as a series for being one that didn't lean too heavily on serialisation, but there's so much worldbuilding that gets carried over even from Day 1 with "Farpoint". I'd forgotten that Guinan wasn't introduced until the second season, that's surreal to me. She feels like a constant fixture of Ten Forward and advice (or drinks) for the crew. Yeah it always throws me off early on not to have Guinan around. The reputation TNG has for being strictly episodic has always puzzled me somewhat. As we've outlined here, there is a lot of worldbuilding from the start, and then later on there are plenty of running arcs. In particular the House of Duras/Klingon politics arc and the Sela/Romulan arc are quite lengthy, draw on many episodes both in and out of that direct storyline, and even cross paths after a point. By the standards of the early 1990s, while it's not up to DS9's levels, that's quite a bit of continuity, really. This is my favorite format for genre television like this - season-long or series-long arcs sharing almost equal time with standalone episodes. X-Files and Buffy are good non-Trek examples. I think it helps to build character and to flesh out the universe. I miss that in the newer shows. Every season is focused on some great cataclysm that must be averted, there's just no time given to anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 5:27:20 GMT
Huh, looking at all three combined -- all in all in all -- TNG did an extremely good job of utilising the bones of what it had and turning it into something more. Half a season from each isn't bad. Funny, though, because it's got a reputation as a series for being one that didn't lean too heavily on serialisation, but there's so much worldbuilding that gets carried over even from Day 1 with "Farpoint". I'd forgotten that Guinan wasn't introduced until the second season, that's surreal to me. She feels like a constant fixture of Ten Forward and advice (or drinks) for the crew. Yeah it always throws me off early on not to have Guinan around. The reputation TNG has for being strictly episodic has always puzzled me somewhat. As we've outlined here, there is a lot of worldbuilding from the start, and then later on there are plenty of running arcs. In particular the House of Duras/Klingon politics arc and the Sela/Romulan arc are quite lengthy, draw on many episodes both in and out of that direct storyline, and even cross paths after a point. By the standards of the early 1990s, while it's not up to DS9's levels, that's quite a bit of continuity, really. This is my favorite format for genre television like this - season-long or series-long arcs sharing almost equal time with standalone episodes. X-Files and Buffy are good non-Trek examples. I think it helps to build character and to flesh out the universe. I miss that in the newer shows. Every season is focused on some great cataclysm that must be averted, there's just no time given to anything else. I was just thinking of how they did the Myth Arc on X-Files as a point of comparison. It might be a terminology thing. TNG is comparably more accessible, rather than episodic, to DS9 in terms of its story arcs. You can jump onboard as late as Season 4 without necessarily encountering an episode that feels jarring without prior context, but there were definitely efforts to make it all stream together for TNG. I think Season 3 might be the strongest for immediate consequences for the TNG crew, though, with its two Romulan episodes, Riker being groomed to potentially replace Picard and early echoes of the Borg. There's an immediate sense of things being pulled together for "The Best of Both Worlds" (obliquely or deliberately). Yeah, I think it's a product of the technology and viewing approaches of the time. In a good way. Storytelling by the early-to-mid 1990s was starting to take advantage of professionally-marketed home releases and personal video recorders for reruns. You could maybe only get a prominent episode here or there at the beginning, but it was enough to get people to start looking at shows as part of an ongoing narrative. Climbing a set of stairs, rather than walking down a flat path. It was the same in Doctor Who. Slowly, the show went from releasing one reference book maybe, oh, every couple of years to three or four books every 12 months. What wasn't resolved, then, could be used as fodder for the stories now. I've got an interesting tale that comes from one of those Trek reference books. Being very, very young when I was reading it, I got my stories muddled and thought that TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" was a direct sequel of TOS's "Tomorrow is Yesterday", which had a second part that was never completed (a misunderstanding that "The Naked Time" and "Tomorrow" were meant to be a two-parter before they were separated). So, they brought in the TNG crew to film the second-half of it with updates, decades later. Turns out, nope, that's not what happened at all -- but there is a book called Federation that does something very much like it. Must have been one of those ideas floating in the air at the time.
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Post by polly on Nov 17, 2020 5:25:05 GMT
The Simpsons: "World War III" - The funniest short yet! I wonder whatever became of the basement bomb shelter? It looks roughly like what would become the laundry/workshop area on the series.
Star Trek TNG: "Hide and Q" - Human transcendence and a battle planet full of aliens in historical Earth garb. Yep, it's a Gene script. I mostly like this episode because Q is such a vibrant personality, and gods know Season 1 needs that. On the other hand, I've always disagreed with the premise that Riker using Q powers is inherently bad. He becomes a jerk cartoonishly fast, and if there's a monkey's paw downside other than that, it's never really shown.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 17, 2020 11:21:07 GMT
Trackers Episodes 5&6
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