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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 17, 2017 22:48:44 GMT
Thinking about Adventuress and the black heart business: The gist, filtered through an 18th century view of the world, is that the Doctor's second heart was killing him because it was linking him to a destroyed Gallifrey. All in all, it makes sense - Time Lords are less biology and more complex space-time events after all - but Sabbath then puts that heart into his own chest, which apprently means he can time travel now. It's tied into his biology, so shouldn't it be killing him now to? Shouldn't it be trying to link Sabbath to Gallifrey now? It does give him some biological upgrades after all. That immunity could have possibly been a boon bestowed upon him by the Council of Eight. They were trying to usurp the mantle of time, so maybe they had either means or opportunity to prevent Sabbath from perishing in such a way. Ohh wait, the Council of "CRAPWERENOTALLOWEDTOUSETHEDALEKS" Eight. thats why his heart died, they were trying to do something to him (some nonsense about a hourglass IIRC). And when he regret his heart they were no longer trying to do it to him.
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Post by aztec on Mar 22, 2017 17:29:26 GMT
It took me about six weeks of stop start reading, but i finally finished The Adventuress of Heniretta Street a couple of days ago, by turns a stunning, perplexing, boring and confusing piece of writing, I can honestly say it was one of just two or three EDA's that has left me utterly indifferent.
On the other hand, I've started Fear Itself yesterday and I'm 80 pages in already, great so far...
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Post by Ela on Mar 26, 2017 18:04:14 GMT
I only know his work from the EDA's, and yes weird and ''out there'' certainly describes it, I thought Alien Bodies was at many points a stunning book, strong prose, lots of great imagery (which Moffat seems heavily inspired by...) and a very inventive storyline at its heart...but it felt less like a Who story than a story he wrote for own enjoyment and transplanted Who characters into, Interference took this further and further what was inventive and interesting in A.B became convoluted and self indulgent for all the interesting concepts and twists Miles added to the Whoniverse for me at least, it often felt like he wasn't really interested in it and was only using as a license to explore his own concepts and fan biases, it's all very well creating new vistas and concepts but you need to focus on the characters guiding us through them. People slate War Of The Daleks and The Eight Doctors, perhaps fairly, but at least those writers knew their limits and didn't take themselves too seriously. I can certainly see why he is held in great esteem by many Wilderness years fans, and his influence can be seen across the EDA's and even New Who, but as much as I admire his talent as a writer his idea of Who is not one that really match my own. Not really a fan of the Faction Paradox stuff either, interesting idea but really convoluted. Interference was very clunky, but I rather enjoyed Miles's Alien Bodies, Dead Romance and The Adolescence of Time. The first of that trio feels like the kind of story that Ben Aaronovitch's Transit was, something that people at the time derided for being an independent story with Doctor Who characters stapled on. In reality, I don't think you could have told it without those trappings from the show and it really couldn't have been told any other way. Ironically, I'm glad the Faction Paradox line evolved into its own entity, it remains for me the definitive approach to exploring the events of a time-active war through a variety of differing mediums. The True History of Faction Paradox is a glorious exploration into the Osirian Court politics that lead up to Pyramids of Mars (following Cousins Justine and Eliza from the destruction of the Eleven Day Empire) and Lance Parkin's Warlords of Utopia is marvellous for taking two parallel universe clichés -- "What if Rome never fell?" and "What if Nazi Germany won the Second World War?" -- and pitting them against one another with his viewpoint character stuck in the middle. The sad thing about The Eight Doctors is that I rather like Terrance Dicks's previous work. Shakedown is one of my favourites because it's so fun and Exodus has an indelibly smart characterisation of the more moody Seventh Doctor of Season 26. He was unfortunately just one of those writers who didn't think very much of the TV Movie at all. I'd have liked to have seen him take it a bit more seriously and give us a story closer to those earlier efforts. Alan Barnes managed to get around the problem of characterisation by having the DWM version of him act a little bit like a cross between his first three incarnations. A bit of Hartnell here, a bit of Troughton there, a bit of Pertwee there and the results aren't all that bad. Very close to what we'd see a little while later in Big Finish. I really hated Dead Romance. The female protagonist was uninteresting and I didn't particularly care for how the characterization of Chris Cwej was portrayed in the book. The whole "bottle universe" thing is uninteresting and convoluted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 1:19:16 GMT
I really hated Dead Romance. The female protagonist was uninteresting and I didn't particularly care for how the characterization of Chris Cwej was portrayed in the book. The whole "bottle universe" thing is uninteresting and convoluted. It doesn't really turn up again beyond that story, the rest of Faction Paradox is focussed on other, far grander ideas. It's more than a bit like Down in that respect. Have a crack at reading Newton's Sleep, same universe with a very different tone. Some of the Obverse Books like The Breakspeare Voyage and Against Nature could be read in tandem with Jim Mortimore's Eye of Heaven (featuring the Fourth Doctor accompanied by Leela) and the styles would beautifully intertwine.
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Post by Ela on Mar 27, 2017 2:19:54 GMT
I really hated Dead Romance. The female protagonist was uninteresting and I didn't particularly care for how the characterization of Chris Cwej was portrayed in the book. The whole "bottle universe" thing is uninteresting and convoluted. It doesn't really turn up again beyond that story, the rest of Faction Paradox is focussed on other, far grander ideas. It's more than a bit like Down in that respect. Have a crack at reading Newton's Sleep, same universe with a very different tone. Some of the Obverse Books like The Breakspeare Voyage and Against Nature could be read in tandem with Jim Mortimore's Eye of Heaven (featuring the Fourth Doctor accompanied by Leela) and the styles would beautifully intertwine. To be honest, I'm not really that interested in the Faction Paradox, either. Just not my thing, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 3:35:00 GMT
It doesn't really turn up again beyond that story, the rest of Faction Paradox is focussed on other, far grander ideas. It's more than a bit like Down in that respect. Have a crack at reading Newton's Sleep, same universe with a very different tone. Some of the Obverse Books like The Breakspeare Voyage and Against Nature could be read in tandem with Jim Mortimore's Eye of Heaven (featuring the Fourth Doctor accompanied by Leela) and the styles would beautifully intertwine. To be honest, I'm not really that interested in the Faction Paradox, either. Just not my thing, I guess. It's not for everyone, I'll admit. Obverse Books is a good source for Iris Wildthyme novels and there's always the excellent Kaldor City from Magic Bullet Productions, which unfurls more or less like Dalek Empire or Cyberman.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 27, 2017 4:06:24 GMT
I've not read them all (some day perhaps) and I've enjoyed a few but for me they don't inform the character of the 8th Doctor. BF/Paul McGann does that. Sure, some of those writers are obviously fans of both sets of books but even so, not for me.
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Post by Ela on Mar 27, 2017 5:00:25 GMT
To be honest, I'm not really that interested in the Faction Paradox, either. Just not my thing, I guess. It's not for everyone, I'll admit. Obverse Books is a good source for Iris Wildthyme novels and there's always the excellent Kaldor City from Magic Bullet Productions, which unfurls more or less like Dalek Empire or Cyberman. I didn't know Obverse has Iris Wildthyme novels. Are those the Eighth Doctor ones where she first appeared? I have to admit I was not a fan of the character in the Eighth Doctor novels, but I love her in audio as played by Katy Manning. Katy is a hot riot as Iris. I've heard of Kaldor City, but haven't dipped into it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 7:45:02 GMT
It's not for everyone, I'll admit. Obverse Books is a good source for Iris Wildthyme novels and there's always the excellent Kaldor City from Magic Bullet Productions, which unfurls more or less like Dalek Empire or Cyberman. I didn't know Obverse has Iris Wildthyme novels. Are those the Eighth Doctor ones where she first appeared? I have to admit I was not a fan of the character in the Eighth Doctor novels, but I love her in audio as played by Katy Manning. Katy is a hot riot as Iris. I've heard of Kaldor City, but haven't dipped into it. Nope, they're short story collections that prominently feature Katy Manning's incarnation on the cover (including one anthology that sounds like a steampunk alternative), so they may be well more your speed. Kaldor City is a lot of fun, but it's very much a slow-burn story. It largely follows Iago (played by Paul Darrow) and Uvanov, centred around the power plays of the city and the growing threat of the Tarren Capel cult.
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