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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 18:05:57 GMT
Anybody else want to see Cardinal Ollistra in TV Doctor Who?
She's a great character and would make a good foil for Peter Capaldi's Doctor in my opinion. She could be introduced in a similar way to Kate Stewart, so you don't need to have heard the War Doctor audios in order to know who she is (In the same way you don't have had to have read or seen Downtime with Kate).
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Post by aztec on Jan 8, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
Anybody else want to see Cardinal Ollistra in TV Doctor Who? She's a great character and would make a good foil for Peter Capaldi's Doctor in my opinion. She could be introduced in a similar way to Kate Stewart, so you don't need to have heard the War Doctor audios in order to know who she is (In the same way you don't have had to have read or seen Downtime with Kate). She is a great character, but I've already been assuming she meets her end during the Time War. More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. Not sure how true that is, but let's say its true and Ollistra still appears anyway...explaining their long history in dialogue would be clunky or off putting to casual viewers, and not referencing it would annoy the Big Finish fans, so whilst she could hypothetically appear (and I'd love to see it happen), it's quite unlikely i.m.o (if only for the reason that the BBC would probably prefer to save money and create their characters rather than paying BF licensing fees). People point to The Night Of The Doctor as a Big Finish reference, but that was an online minisode so might have been under different rules and the reference 'Charlie C'Rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly' was pretty vague. |
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Post by Shiny on Jan 8, 2017 18:22:29 GMT
I doubt they'd ever take a character originally from Big Finish and put them in TV Doctor Who. Even if they present them in a way that doesn't stop non-audio fans from understanding.
With that said, if they were going to introduce a BF character into TV Who, Cardinal Ollistra seems like the perfect choice. Especially with Peter Capaldi as the Doctor. They're work wonderfully together. And with Gallifrey back now, they're no storyline reason why they can't meet.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 18:25:12 GMT
Anybody else want to see Cardinal Ollistra in TV Doctor Who? She's a great character and would make a good foil for Peter Capaldi's Doctor in my opinion. She could be introduced in a similar way to Kate Stewart, so you don't need to have heard the War Doctor audios in order to know who she is (In the same way you don't have had to have read or seen Downtime with Kate). She is a great character, but I've already been assuming she meets her end during the Time War. More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. Not sure how true that is, but let's say its true and Ollistra still appears anyway...explaining their long history in dialogue would be clunky or off putting to casual viewers, and not referencing it would annoy the Big Finish fans, so whilst she could hypothetically appear (and I'd love to see it happen), it's quite unlikely i.m.o (if only for the BBC would probably prefer to save money and create their characters). One way around it could be if they call a 'new' Time Lord character 'Ollistra' and she only appears for a few minutes in a brief cameo. That way there'd be no proof that it's the same Ollistra as in the audio dramas. Hell, it would be nice if they just reference her in similar style to Night of the Doctor. I mean, they got away with introducing Kate when some could have argued that it required knowledge of Downtime. |
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Post by aztec on Jan 8, 2017 18:38:39 GMT
She is a great character, but I've already been assuming she meets her end during the Time War. More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. Not sure how true that is, but let's say its true and Ollistra still appears anyway...explaining their long history in dialogue would be clunky or off putting to casual viewers, and not referencing it would annoy the Big Finish fans, so whilst she could hypothetically appear (and I'd love to see it happen), it's quite unlikely i.m.o (if only for the BBC would probably prefer to save money and create their characters). One way around it could be if they call a 'new' Time Lord character 'Ollistra' and she only appears for a few minutes in a brief cameo. That way there'd be no proof that it's the same Ollistra as in the audio dramas. Hell, it would be nice if they just reference her in similar style to Night of the Doctor. I mean, they got away with introducing Kate when some could have argued that it required knowledge of Downtime. I read somewhere that the writers supposedly weren't even aware that Kate already existed when they introduced her in the Tv series, they wanted a successor to the Brigadier and the new character just happened to share a name with his daughter in the books, don't know if that is true... I think a brief cameo or even a proper appearance by a BF character is hypothetically fine...as long as BF or the backstory of the character wasn't mentioned...which kinda defeats the point of including them. More references to Big Finish stories or companions in the TV series would be cool though, maybe if they do another trip to the Black Archive they could add photos of the BF/Book/Comic Companions to the display on the Wall. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 8, 2017 19:04:57 GMT
Anybody else want to see Cardinal Ollistra in TV Doctor Who? She's a great character and would make a good foil for Peter Capaldi's Doctor in my opinion. She could be introduced in a similar way to Kate Stewart, so you don't need to have heard the War Doctor audios in order to know who she is (In the same way you don't have had to have read or seen Downtime with Kate). She is a great character, but I've already been assuming she meets her end during the Time War. More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. aztec also provides a possible theory on the question of BF writers on NuWho: it's not impossible to imagine the Beeb don't want a crossing of gene pools, lest they fear writing unions start accusing them of favouritisim. 'Oh, I write x number of soaps and daytime TV, and a guy who's never done that, and writes books and audios instead, gets chosen over me!' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 19:13:36 GMT
She is a great character, but I've already been assuming she meets her end during the Time War. More to the point, I think (I might be wrong) the BBC charter would probably block an appearance from a major BF character, as I understand it because the BBC is mostly publicly funded its charter rules that a program made by the BBC cannot be made with a purely commercial intent, or strongly reference or include characters/arcs/plot points from other companies productions as it could be seen as the BBC being impartial and advertising another companies work- some viewers might feel cheated that they aren't getting the full picture and have to fork out for audio dramas to understand Olistras's history and others might see it as the BBC being greedy and using her apperance to cross promote Big Finish and make more money in a round about way. aztec also provides a possible theory on the question of BF writers on NuWho: it's not impossible to imagine the Beeb don't want a crossing of gene pools, lest they fear writing unions start accusing them of favouritisim. 'Oh, I write x number of soaps and daytime TV, and a guy who's never done that, and writes books and audios instead, gets chosen over me!' And it's possible that the union there would be absolutely right. More Jacqueline Pearce? Yes, please. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 8, 2017 19:21:52 GMT
I like to believe that when the BBC involves Big Finish in things in some way they are actually promoting the viability of their own licence and franchise rather than promoting Big Finish (since Big Finish are as I understand it BBC licencees), but how it all really works in real life, I have no idea.
Personally I'd be all for Ollistra to make an appearance on the TV series and no need for her to bring the baggage of her entire life story for me to be happy about it - and agreed she'd probably be great opposite Capaldi. Also, I thought it was a pretty big deal for Charlie and Lucie and others to be named in the TV series and don't know why actually having the characters appear wouldn't be equally acceptable although again there may be reasons.
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Post by aztec on Jan 8, 2017 19:24:49 GMT
I like to believe that when the BBC involves Big Finish in things in some way they are actually promoting the viability of their own licence and franchise rather than promoting Big Finish (since Big Finish are as I understand it BBC licencees), but how it all really works in real life, I have no idea. Personally I'd be all for Ollistra to make an appearance on the TV series and no need for her to bring the baggage of her entire life story for me to be happy about it - and agreed she'd probably be great opposite Capaldi. Also, I thought it was a pretty big deal for Charlie and Lucie and others to be named in the TV series and don't know why actually having the characters appear wouldn't be equally acceptable although again there may be reasons. To be fair the NOTD reference was only five first names, the 8th Doctor could have been referring to five other people he met in the pub the week before  |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 19:31:41 GMT
I wonder how likely it could be that the 8th Doctor might bump into a different Time Lord called Ollistra in a pub on Gallifrey?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 20:09:37 GMT
I wonder how likely it could be that the 8th Doctor might bump into a different Time Lord called Ollistra in a pub on Gallifrey? Does Gallifrey have pubs? Time Lords don't get drunk unless they want to and given the insular nature of their society, I wonder if drinking in a public venue is considered acceptable behaviour? |
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Post by aztec on Jan 8, 2017 20:15:11 GMT
I wonder how likely it could be that the 8th Doctor might bump into a different Time Lord called Ollistra in a pub on Gallifrey? Does Gallifrey have pubs? Time Lords don't get drunk unless they want to and given the insular nature of their society, I wonder if drinking in a public venue is considered acceptable behaviour? Well that's your entry in next years Short Trips competition sorted then |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 20:33:43 GMT
I wonder how likely it could be that the 8th Doctor might bump into a different Time Lord called Ollistra in a pub on Gallifrey? Does Gallifrey have pubs? Time Lords don't get drunk unless they want to and given the insular nature of their society, I wonder if drinking in a public venue is considered acceptable behaviour? I imagine they have a Time Pub where they drink to their hearts' content and whenever they start to get drunk the Landlord just rewinds time to before they had one too many. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 20:57:31 GMT
Does Gallifrey have pubs? Time Lords don't get drunk unless they want to and given the insular nature of their society, I wonder if drinking in a public venue is considered acceptable behaviour? Well that's your entry in next years Short Trips competition sorted then I'll call it Fear and Loathing on Gallifrey. Does Gallifrey have pubs? Time Lords don't get drunk unless they want to and given the insular nature of their society, I wonder if drinking in a public venue is considered acceptable behaviour? I imagine they have a Time Pub where they drink to their hearts' content and whenever they start to get drunk the Landlord just rewinds time to before they had one too many. An idea worthy of Douglas Adams that.  |
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 8, 2017 21:43:17 GMT
One way around it could be if they call a 'new' Time Lord character 'Ollistra' and she only appears for a few minutes in a brief cameo. That way there'd be no proof that it's the same Ollistra as in the audio dramas. Hell, it would be nice if they just reference her in similar style to Night of the Doctor. I mean, they got away with introducing Kate when some could have argued that it required knowledge of Downtime. I read somewhere that the writers supposedly weren't even aware that Kate already existed when they introduced her in the Tv series, they wanted a successor to the Brigadier and the new character just happened to share a name with his daughter in the books, don't know if that is true... I heard that they said that, but I don't think that there is any way that that is true. It is just too big a coincidence. I suspect they just claimed it was a coincidence to avoid the issues that are being discussed in this thread. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 22:37:46 GMT
I imagine they have a Time Pub where they drink to their hearts' content and whenever they start to get drunk the Landlord just rewinds time to before they had one too many. An idea worthy of Douglas Adams that. Hitchhiker's Guide to Pub-Crawling, anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 23:00:15 GMT
I read somewhere that the writers supposedly weren't even aware that Kate already existed when they introduced her in the Tv series, they wanted a successor to the Brigadier and the new character just happened to share a name with his daughter in the books, don't know if that is true... I heard that they said that, but I don't think that there is any way that that is true. It is just too big a coincidence. I suspect they just claimed it was a coincidence to avoid the issues that are being discussed in this thread. Considering that Jemma Redgrave is actually a brunette and dyed her hair for the part possibly so it'd look similar to her direct-to-video/novel counterpart from Downtime and Daemos Rising (played by Beverly Cressman), I'd say it's more than likely that they were aware of her earlier appearances. They may have just asked Marc Platt very nicely to have her. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 23:12:28 GMT
I'm sure someone else knows the source, but wasn't it Chris Chibnall himself who said he didn't know anything about Kate's earlier appearances? I find it hard to believe that two creative teams in the same franchise consciously created a character with the same family tie, name and hair colour independently too, but I guess it's possible Chris had the notion for a daughter of the Brig, not a major stretch, and someone said to him "Well, actually......" and some things were changed to suit. Does anyone have the quotes from Chibnall? They must be online somewhere. He's not one of the most interviewed Who writers but something tells me that'll change over the next few years. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2017 23:14:55 GMT
He's not one of the most interviewed Who writers but something tells me that'll change over the next few years. You don't say....  |
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Post by sherlock on Jan 9, 2017 0:02:02 GMT
Due to the rules I doubt they could include Ollistra straight out.
They could probably include a Time Lord whom the Doctor mentions he worked with in the Time War though...
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