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Post by sherlock on Feb 24, 2017 20:04:38 GMT
Now, if you look at Series 10, we can sort of tell that the BBC wanted to do some things different and others similar. They thought two-parters didn't work: ditched 'em. Then they wanted another recurring character through the series from a well-known actor. In this case, Matt Lucas. When the series comes round we'll probably see more things like that, but for now that's all I know. It was Moffats decision to bring back Matt Lucas! We don't necessarily know that. Moffat's line has mainly been 'we liked Matt, Matt liked us-so why not?' regarding Nardole's return, I can easily see it being a request from above asking for a popular actor as a recurring character
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Feb 24, 2017 20:33:20 GMT
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Post by mrperson on Feb 24, 2017 20:40:47 GMT
Another spinoff? Nah. Not unless it was dark/bitter limited series, where winning isn't that different from losing, like Dalek Empire.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 24, 2017 20:55:54 GMT
They could give birth to the Valeyard! That would make a very interesting limited series. Even the doctor has hate, anger, regret and despair. The new series has been going further in that direction. Capaldi to the Valeyard wouldn't be a great hit with the majority of Doctor Who fans if it were under the banner of Doctor Who(the regular series), but it could be huge with a lot of fans if it were done as a spin off, with a set number of episodes.
I can see it now, Capaldi goes to regenerate, and the Valeyard starts to pop out, from out of the Tardis comes McGann(or an image of him, cause C. Baker just isn't made for tv anymore.) Makes a statement something like, "in the divergent universe, I prepared for you, I knew you were coming, and I wanted to make you feel welcome. None of my reincarnations have any memories of my time in that universe, even my memories are fuzzy, but my colorful, fashion sense impaired incarnation, had never forgotten you. He implanted a theory deep in the recesses of our mind. In case we were ever separated from the material universe, he had a plan. I was, so I implemented it."
"As I cant destroy you, without rewriting much of my own history, my gift to you is banishment to a seculuded divergent universe, I know you will escape, but remember, i'll always be waiting."
I'm not a writer, but somebody has to have some good ideas on that. And that limited series/spin off, I would watch, and if done for the adult audience, I bet a lot of folks would.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 24, 2017 22:10:48 GMT
They could give birth to the Valeyard! That would make a very interesting limited series. Even the doctor has hate, anger, regret and despair. The new series has been going further in that direction. Capaldi to the Valeyard wouldn't be a great hit with the majority of Doctor Who fans if it were under the banner of Doctor Who(the regular series), but it could be huge with a lot of fans if it were done as a spin off, with a set number of episodes. I can see it now, Capaldi goes to regenerate, and the Valeyard starts to pop out, from out of the Tardis comes McGann(or an image of him, cause C. Baker just isn't made for tv anymore.) Makes a statement something like, "in the divergent universe, I prepared for you, I knew you were coming, and I wanted to make you feel welcome. None of my reincarnations have any memories of my time in that universe, even my memories are fuzzy, but my colorful, fashion sense impaired incarnation, had never forgotten you. He implanted a theory deep in the recesses of our mind. In case we were ever separated from the material universe, he had a plan. I was, so I implemented it." "As I cant destroy you, without rewriting much of my own history, my gift to you is banishment to a seculuded divergent universe, I know you will escape, but remember, i'll always be waiting." I'm not a writer, but somebody has to have some good ideas on that. And that limited series/spin off, I would watch, and if done for the adult audience, I bet a lot of folks would. Despite the name of this forum, I don't think that the Divergent Universe was a particularly popular arc. They certainly aren't going to do a TV show based on any BF arc. And Jayston is probably too old to play the Valeyard now.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 24, 2017 22:16:24 GMT
They could give birth to the Valeyard! That would make a very interesting limited series. Even the doctor has hate, anger, regret and despair. The new series has been going further in that direction. Capaldi to the Valeyard wouldn't be a great hit with the majority of Doctor Who fans if it were under the banner of Doctor Who(the regular series), but it could be huge with a lot of fans if it were done as a spin off, with a set number of episodes. I can see it now, Capaldi goes to regenerate, and the Valeyard starts to pop out, from out of the Tardis comes McGann(or an image of him, cause C. Baker just isn't made for tv anymore.) Makes a statement something like, "in the divergent universe, I prepared for you, I knew you were coming, and I wanted to make you feel welcome. None of my reincarnations have any memories of my time in that universe, even my memories are fuzzy, but my colorful, fashion sense impaired incarnation, had never forgotten you. He implanted a theory deep in the recesses of our mind. In case we were ever separated from the material universe, he had a plan. I was, so I implemented it." "As I cant destroy you, without rewriting much of my own history, my gift to you is banishment to a seculuded divergent universe, I know you will escape, but remember, i'll always be waiting." I'm not a writer, but somebody has to have some good ideas on that. And that limited series/spin off, I would watch, and if done for the adult audience, I bet a lot of folks would. Despite the name of this forum, I don't think that the Divergent Universe was a particularly popular arc. They certainly aren't going to do a TV show based on any BF arc. And Jayston is probably too old to play the Valeyard now. they named off bf companions in night of the doctor. And what cannon says jayston is the only valeyard? It's an idea, you got one? Cause BBC doesn't.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 24, 2017 22:25:14 GMT
Despite the name of this forum, I don't think that the Divergent Universe was a particularly popular arc. They certainly aren't going to do a TV show based on any BF arc. And Jayston is probably too old to play the Valeyard now. they named off bf companions in night of the doctor. And what cannon says jayston is the only valeyard? It's an idea, you got one? Cause BBC doesn't. Naming BF companions is very different from having a plot that relies on knowledge of BF. If they are going to make another spin-off, then they should just use the formula that has worked in the past. Pick a popular companion, give them some friends, and have them fight aliens.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 24, 2017 22:33:32 GMT
they named off bf companions in night of the doctor. And what cannon says jayston is the only valeyard? It's an idea, you got one? Cause BBC doesn't. Naming BF companions is very different from having a plot that relies on knowledge of BF. If they are going to make another spin-off, then they should just use the formula that has worked in the past. Pick a popular companion, give them some friends, and have them fight aliens. What plot, if the doctor is as old as he thinks he is, then we don't have a glimpse of his life yet. You could build the plot right from the start, it's just a brief appearance by McGann. And, um, when exactly has that formula worked in the past? Torchwood went boom, Sarah Jane was a real children's show, and class is gone before it even hits the states. Did I miss one? Id argue that Jago & Litefoot is the best spinoff that Doctor who has ever produced, and that's all bf. Problem is, BF has created better companions than tv has, and bf has better stories than tv does. BBC doesn't get that, fans still want a good story, everything else is window dressing. Or as like to say, everything else is gravy(gravy goes good on everything, almost)
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 24, 2017 22:41:36 GMT
BBC does not make cannon, they cant decide what cannon is, we all do that in our own way, as a fan.
It's like Barry Bonds is listed as the career and season home run record holder, but the majority of fans, recognize 2 numbers, 61 by Roger Maris and 756 by Hank Aaron, as much as I am a fan of Big Mac, Maris is the only man to hit over 60 without stickin a needle in his arm. Just as Hammerin Hank hit his on his own.
That's why I love the audio books, they go places the tv wont touch. Same with Big Finish, with the schedule they place on themselves, they have to think outside the box, something that BBC will never, EVER, do. They are scared they could kill the franchise, but they tried to do that themselves and they learned they don't even own the franchise, they just own the rights, we, the fan, will always own the franchise, so there aint no killin the Doctor, no matter what horrible mistakes that BBC makes, and there have been plenty.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 24, 2017 22:49:15 GMT
If it's the same quality an enjoyment factor as "The Sarah Jane Adventures" then yes. Lightning struck gold with the SJAs. Enjoyable for the whole family (oncevthey got rid of Kelsey). A bunch of kids investigating the inherent weirdness of Coal Hill School SHOULD have worked.
It should have been silly fun with a touch of social commentary. And a monster in the basement that turned out to be an Imperial Dalek for the end of season BIG story. And a few winks for the Who fans and off you go. In an ideal world Sir Ian would have been on hand, possible as the first adult to believe the kids (in my head he confronts the Dalek and distracts it long enough for the kids to work out a way to stop it because he's Ian Chesterton).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 0:56:31 GMT
If it's the same quality an enjoyment factor as "The Sarah Jane Adventures" then yes. Lightning struck gold with the SJAs. Enjoyable for the whole family (oncevthey got rid of Kelsey). A bunch of kids investigating the inherent weirdness of Coal Hill School SHOULD have worked. It should have been silly fun with a touch of social commentary. And a monster in the basement that turned out to be an Imperial Dalek for the end of season BIG story. And a few winks for the Who fans and off you go. In an ideal world Sir Ian would have been on hand, possible as the first adult to believe the kids (in my head he confronts the Dalek and distracts it long enough for the kids to work out a way to stop it because he's Ian Chesterton). "As a very old and very dear friend of mine pointed out to me during Barbara and I's sabbatical abroad, age has nothing to do with it." I wish I was surprised about Class, I truly do, but the fact of the matter is that things have recently swayed towards "good concept / bad execution". The idea of a leftover Imperial Dalek slowly building up a power base in the basement of the school seems brilliant and quite natural under the circumstances, maybe the implied horror at the end would have been the threat of the children being turned into drones and Ian coming in to rescue them. What does surprise me is that the BBC haven't even attempted a miniseries of the Paternoster gang yet. The way that Mark Gatiss wrote it in The Crimson Horror, it was essentially a steampunk version of The Avengers and that sounds like fun even without the necessary tinkering for the setting and characters. I'd like to see Vastra and her lot get tangled up with a supernatural criminal syndicate or the theft of a national treasure, I doubt they'd handle it in the same way Holmes did.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 25, 2017 4:27:35 GMT
I always imagined it to go like this:
The board was meeting to decide the fate of Peter Hutchins and the remedial class. Should they be offered another chance, or have him his contract terminated and them assigned to other schools. Even the vocerfeous support of Sir Ian Chesterton wasn't moving the board. The boardroom burst open and Lisa Scowen all but fell into the room, "Miater Chesterton ...." she managed, "in the basement .... Dalek...." she passed out. A steely look crossed Sir Ian's face. He looked at the board and said in his firmest voice "leavevthis building, now. And don't look back. Go and hide. Go and pray if you're so inclined." He walked out, leaning heavily on his cane.
In the Basement ther other children hid. The Dalek hunting them, until a voice rang out "DALEK! my name is Ian Chesterton. Leave those children alone. Face me. I've defeated your kind before. And I'll do it again. You'll never threaten anyone under MY protection." The Dalek turned, its eye stalk all but glaring at the silver haired man standing on the stairs. "How do you know of the Daleks?" It demanded. "Ohh Ive travelled,"Ian caughtbthe eye of Chris and the others, he nodded and advanced down the stairs, the Dalek tracking him. "Skaro. Aridius. Mechanus. You don't scare me, you know." He now stood with the Dalek facing away from the stairs. "I've been in the court of Kublai Khan and knighted by Richard the Lionheart. I've faced death and ..." he saw the children sneaking up the stairs "and Death blinked."
Upstairs, Chris was reunited with his sister Lisa. "We have to do something!" They all agreed. Sir Ian could only distract the Dalek for so long. "Do Yu remember that Kremzeek and how we overfed it?" "Old man Wilson was furious, we almost burnt down the school!" "Well, if the Dalek is using the school power supply ...." "Ohh fantastic!" "What about Sir Ian?" "What if we covered the Dalek's eye?"
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Sir Ian looked up, sorrounded by the children of Peter Hutchins remedial class and watched as Coal Hill School burned. So many memories, up in smoke. He had tears in his eyes and not just from the smoke. "I'm glad your not here to see this Barbara..." he said softly. The kids mixed the excitement of survival with the somber realisation that they'd just destroyed their school and very likely were about to be split up as a group. Peter tried his best to rally them, but he also knew his career was burning along with the school. "Mister Hutchins ..." Chris said, and as ever his sister was there to finish his sentences for him "What do we do now?" "Well, your homework I expect," the children laughed long and hard, exhausted and emotional. "The past is done, tomorrow is the future. All we have is right now. Go home. Go out for a meal. Hug your family. Hug each other. Tomorrow will come. And ... leave adult fears for adults. Be young. Be yourselves."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 5:33:49 GMT
No, it doesn't, but I would love one as it means more hours in the Doctor Who universe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 9:51:08 GMT
I always imagined it to go like this: The board was meeting to decide the fate of Peter Hutchins and the remedial class. Should they be offered another chance, or have him his contract terminated and them assigned to other schools. Even the vociferous support of Sir Ian Chesterton wasn't moving the board. The boardroom burst open and Lisa Scowen all but fell into the room, "Miater Chesterton ...." she managed, "in the basement .... Dalek...." she passed out. A steely look crossed Sir Ian's face. He looked at the board and said in his firmest voice "leavevthis building, now. And don't look back. Go and hide. Go and pray if you're so inclined." He walked out, leaning heavily on his cane. "Phone in a bomb threat, get the Unified Taskforce here, do anything you can, but most importantly get the children out of the school." "Mister--" "Don't look back. Hide, if necessary. Pray, if you're so inclined." "The board hasn't decided--" "If you won't do it, I'll do it myself," his eyes blazed, a look that at least one member had recognised in teachers and staff that had returned from service. "Get them out of here," he said quietly. And then he left. In the Basement ther other children hid. The Dalek hunting them, until a voice rang out "DALEK! my name is Ian Chesterton. Leave those children alone. Face me. I've defeated your kind before. And I'll do it again. You'll never threaten anyone under MY protection." The Dalek turned, its eye stalk all but glaring at the silver haired man standing on the stairs. "How do you know of the Daleks?" It demanded. "Ohh Ive travelled,"Ian caughtbthe eye of Chris and the others, he nodded and advanced down the stairs, the Dalek tracking him. "Skaro. Aridius. Mechanus. You don't scare me, you know." He now stood with the Dalek facing away from the stairs. "I've been in the court of Kublai Khan and knighted by Richard the Lionheart. I've faced death and ..." he saw the children sneaking up the stairs "and Death blinked." He thumped his cane against the metallic flooring, minute clouds of static snapping in futility against the rubber stopper on its end. The temptation would have been to smile, but gloating to a Dalek would achieve nothing. It sat there, it's attention distracted by the thrum of the laboratory retrofitted to suit its needs. "You don't have a name, I suppose? After all these years, I'd have thought you would evolve." "DALEKS DO NOT REQUIRE NAMES." The twitching casing slowed momentarily as it scavenged through the charred remnants of its memory banks, seizing the necessary battle reports. "Same old rhetoric, eh?," Ian said, over the buzz of bio-electronics. "Same old war drum." The creature's eyestalk snapped to face him -- "THE WEAKNESS OF THE SCIENTIFIC DIVISION ON SKARO AND THE ASSASSINATION SQUAD EXTERMINATED ON MECHANUS HAVE BEEN OVERSHADOWED BY OUR FURTHER CONQUESTS. YOU HAVE ALTERED NOTHING." "We saved the lives you would destroy." "AND BRING DEATH TO THOSE WHOM YOU COULD NOT DEFEND." Somehow, Ian could feel the full weight of the cane in his hand. It was a heavy, dead weight. "Then why not kill me now?" he asked. The plunger surged forward and grappled his chest in its grip. "THE BATTLE COMPUTER REQUIRES A HUMANOID COMPONENT IN ORDER TO FUNCTION TO SATISFACTORY LEVELS," it grated matter-of-factly. "YOU WILL SERVE THE DALEKS IN THIS FUNCTION." "I would rather die," he gasped. "EVENTUALLY."
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 25, 2017 9:58:28 GMT
Id pop the "I've been the court of Kubali Khan..." speech after the Dalek's "eventually". You can imagine the zoom in on his face as that moustache twitches with a small smile and Murray Gold's "Don't Mess with Ian Chesterton" theme plays before the kids save the day.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 25, 2017 10:17:05 GMT
Id pop the "I've been the court of Kubali Khan..." speech after the Dalek's "eventually". You can imagine the zoom in on his face as that moustache twitches with a small smile and Murray Gold's "Don't Mess with Ian Chesterton" theme plays before the kids save the day. Ian Chesterton's theme: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU_aZQ4F5vU
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 25, 2017 15:06:59 GMT
I think we all can agree that they need to ressurect K9 & Company. Sadly, he would need new company, but it would be worth it to bring that theme song back. Preach it, brother! K-9, K-9, Beep Deep Boop, K-9.
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 25, 2017 15:16:42 GMT
Although I wasn't into Torchwood at the time (now I am thanks to Big Finish) I think someone made a good point that RTD did a good job of expanding the Whoinverse to have distinct series for adults, family, and children so he could literally play around the world in many different contexts. I didn't realize that this was deliberate, but framed in that context, it's extremely clever. I happen to like his distinctive style (I even liked Wizards vs Aliens, which is just about the most RTD show imaginable) and I think he understands children's programming in a way that a lot of people don't. I guess he won't be producing any television in the near future due to his husband's health issues but I would dearly love to see him create something like Dark Season again. That show is probably worthy of its own thread later and I'll expand on these thoughts there, but I think that's exactly what a children's version of Doctor Who should look like.
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Post by chrism1999 on Feb 25, 2017 15:42:58 GMT
Despite the name of this forum, I don't think that the Divergent Universe was a particularly popular arc. They certainly aren't going to do a TV show based on any BF arc. And Jayston is probably too old to play the Valeyard now. they named off bf companions in night of the doctor. And what cannon says jayston is the only valeyard? It's an idea, you got one? Cause BBC doesn't. Any series actively based on material created in any spinoff, which requires knowledge of that extraneous material to properly enjoy and understand it, would be prohibited by provisions in the BBC's royal charter.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 25, 2017 16:48:44 GMT
I am surprised that there is no after show show.
Lot's of reality/talent shows get additional content.
Sky have an hour program after the latest Game of Thrones has aired and although the quality of that varies I could see something similar working for Doctor Who.
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