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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 11, 2017 0:11:25 GMT
Well this is curious, most people saying 9 shouldn't have a pre Rose companion have no trouble with the one-off style of companion 10 had in the specials. Are these not companions? I think they are. And more of a companion than Kamelion for instance! So you either need to change the questions or everyone needs to change their answer. IE Do you think there should be a pre-Rose long-term companion for Eccleston? yes, and I think it should be non human. Imagine a cyberman or a silurian, perhaps named Vastra.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 11, 2017 0:13:47 GMT
Maybe he meets a Clara splinter and the Nightmare Child eats her? There's an idea! If Big Finish can get a box set with Jenna Coleman (assuming they haven't already) then I'd be very interested in some adventures following the Clara splinters and their encounters with the Doctor. id buy that!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 11, 2017 0:16:43 GMT
Well this is curious, most people saying 9 shouldn't have a pre Rose companion have no trouble with the one-off style of companion 10 had in the specials. Are these not companions? I think they are. And more of a companion than Kamelion for instance! So you either need to change the questions or everyone needs to change their answer. IE Do you think there should be a pre-Rose long-term companion for Eccleston? yes, and I think it should be non human. Imagine a cyberman or a silurian, perhaps named Vastra. You know, I like that idea... BACK TO THE KEYBOARD ROBIN!!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 11, 2017 0:19:13 GMT
I don't count them as companions. Why would you? Why would I not? They fulfill all the points of a companion in their first episode. The fact that they they'd have a second one, or in some cases we never saw a second one, means nothing. I'd argue that the Doctor's attitude to them is part of their Companionhood, so Adelaide Brooke was a possibility but she didn't allow it, and Christina de Souza wasn't because the Doctor didn't allow it, but Wilf definitely is and I cannot see how Jackson Lake is any less of a companion than Mickey Smith or Jack Harkness. If it was merely travelling in the TARDIS then there are (a) plenty more companions and (b) plenty who weren't, like the Brig. One-off companions are still companions But they don't appear in two consecutive stories.
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Post by smith11 on Mar 11, 2017 0:25:49 GMT
I personally think the ninth doctor spent a lot of time clearing up from the time war after he regenerated. Surely there must be left over weapons he had to look after or destroy and trying to basically put the universe back together. 'The Oncoming Storm' kind of helps my theory
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 11, 2017 0:27:31 GMT
Why would I not? They fulfill all the points of a companion in their first episode. The fact that they they'd have a second one, or in some cases we never saw a second one, means nothing. I'd argue that the Doctor's attitude to them is part of their Companionhood, so Adelaide Brooke was a possibility but she didn't allow it, and Christina de Souza wasn't because the Doctor didn't allow it, but Wilf definitely is and I cannot see how Jackson Lake is any less of a companion than Mickey Smith or Jack Harkness. If it was merely travelling in the TARDIS then there are (a) plenty more companions and (b) plenty who weren't, like the Brig. One-off companions are still companions But they don't appear in two consecutive stories. does K 9?
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Post by constonks on Mar 11, 2017 0:30:37 GMT
If there is a companion before Rose, then I think the only way to keep the Ninth Doctor the way he is before Series 1 would be to have it all end in tragedy. Maybe he just starts to feel like his old self again, only for some effect from the Time War or some other monster to put a swift end to his new companion. Or maybe just a long series of one-off companions who want to travel with him, but for one reason or another end up leaving him at the end of the story. Lots of possibilities. See my thought on the whole thing is that the Ninth Doctor doesn't actually go through tons of character development in Season 1 because it's only one season. So if his first and last companioned adventures are with Rose, there's no room for any long-term storytelling that could show the Doctor growing as a person. Whereas he might be a little moody and distant in Rose but maybe that's way better than he started out. What if he's had as long a life and as many companions as any other Doctor? And in that time, he's grown from a grumpy, lonely survivor to the upbeat-but-dismissive Doctor we see in Series 1? More than anything, I just really like seeing each incarnation of the Doctor alongside other companions. It's a way to see different aspects of who that Doctor is. For instance, Sarah, Leela, Romana and Adric all made the Fourth Doctor act very differently. But I suppose you could have a long-term companion while Rose is at home for a bit or something. Or even have Rose leave and come back like Tegan.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 11, 2017 0:52:44 GMT
Why would I not? They fulfill all the points of a companion in their first episode. The fact that they they'd have a second one, or in some cases we never saw a second one, means nothing. I'd argue that the Doctor's attitude to them is part of their Companionhood, so Adelaide Brooke was a possibility but she didn't allow it, and Christina de Souza wasn't because the Doctor didn't allow it, but Wilf definitely is and I cannot see how Jackson Lake is any less of a companion than Mickey Smith or Jack Harkness. If it was merely travelling in the TARDIS then there are (a) plenty more companions and (b) plenty who weren't, like the Brig. One-off companions are still companions But they don't appear in two consecutive stories. Is that some sort of rule then? Because I've never heard of it before and it sounds like personal head canon to me.
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Post by constonks on Mar 11, 2017 1:49:03 GMT
Personally when I say "companion" I mean someone who accompanies the Doctor on adventures on a regular basis. To me it's not "two consecutive stories", but rather two consecutive ADVENTURES, meaning in-universe rather than narratively.
Weirdly, the story that comes to mind to define this distinction is an Incredible Hulk Presents comic with the Seventh Doctor called "The Enlightenment of Ly-Chee". The Doctor picks up a companion and says farewell in the whole story - but MONTHS pass between the first and last panel, and they have several adventures.
To me, Sara Kingdom becomes a companion in Feast of Steven, because she's on an unrelated adventure to the one she came aboard for. Asylum Clara and Victorian Clara don't become companions - only Modern Clara does when she flies off to Akhaten.
And I don't think it comes down to TARDIS travel, either. Like Liz counts, even before her post-exile travels to 1916 and 1908 in The Wages of Sin. Just literal companionship.
But someone you spend a single day with (ie. De Souza, etc.) is not a companion by my definition.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 11, 2017 1:50:35 GMT
EDIT: By companion, I mean long-term. Think Jamie, Tegan, Martha, not Menzies, Christina de Souza, Wilf, etc. If that changes your vote, change it.Now that Big Finish is doing some more Ninth Doctor stories, I was wondering what everyone thought about the potential expansion of the Ninth Doctor's era to include companions before Rose. Do you think there should be companions between TDOTD and Rose or is Rose the first companion the Doctor met after the Time War? Sure! I'm not going to listen to CCs that I have to buy, but if they keep coming with subscriptions I'll listen. I'd prefer Eccleston in person, but I rather suspect that will only happen if BF is still around in 2037.....
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Post by number13 on Mar 11, 2017 9:11:20 GMT
It might work if the pre-Rose companion was not entirely 'good', perhaps an alien with its own demons from the Time War.
Who helps the Doctor do a dark version of what he always does - save worlds, but he goes on doing it in ways that would make Seven in 'Remembrance of the Daleks' look like Five in 'Warriors of the Deep'. Eventually the final crisis; their interference goes horribly wrong and does far more harm than good, adding to the Doctor's massive guilt, alien companion gets Adriced.
Nine, struggling to cope, sets out for Earth because he's heard the Nestenes are at it again and (secretly) because it's his home from home and he craves a new human companion to save HIM. And he finally dares to look his new self in the face...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 11, 2017 9:15:30 GMT
yes, and I think it should be non human. Imagine a cyberman or a silurian, perhaps named Vastra. You know, I like that idea... BACK TO THE KEYBOARD ROBIN!! Update ... must stop making the Doctor so depressed. It's grinding me down now!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 11, 2017 9:24:20 GMT
It might work if the pre-Rose companion was not entirely 'good', perhaps an alien with its own demons from the Time War. Who helps the Doctor do a dark version of what he always does - save worlds, but he goes on doing it in ways that would make Seven in 'Remembrance of the Daleks' look like Five in 'Warriors of the Deep'. Eventually the final crisis; their interference goes horribly wrong and does far more harm than good, adding to the Doctor's massive guilt, alien companion gets Adriced. Nine, struggling to cope, sets out for Earth because he's heard the Nestenes are at it again and (secretly) because it's his home from home and he craves a new human companion to save HIM. And he finally dares to look his new self in the face... That could work. He pre-Rose companion could be Cardinal Ollistra. If she dies, then that's why the Doctor would believe he is the last Time Lord. Also: Ollistra surviving would show an anomaly to the Ninth Doctor's belief that he used The Moment, because we all know he didn't.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 11, 2017 10:37:28 GMT
Absolutely not.
I think it's going to get to the point where the Ninth Doctor's era will be oversaturated and damage the one, tight knit series Eccleston did on television. And that's without him reprising the role.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 11, 2017 11:02:33 GMT
Absolutely not. I think it's going to get to the point where the Ninth Doctor's era will be oversaturated and damage the one, tight knit series Eccleston did on television. And that's without him reprising the role. The more stories of any Doctor the better in my view, although I would rather hear more of the Tenth Doctor than the Ninth Doctor.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 11, 2017 12:55:39 GMT
I don't mind either way, although in my head the Ninth Doctor had more 'Specials' type of adventures with one-off companions. If there were companions before Rose, I do think they are more One-Off adventures ones. Makes more sense with where he was until he met Rose
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Post by eric009 on Mar 11, 2017 14:19:09 GMT
his face was seen in 3 place before rose 1963 1912 and 1883 so who could it be
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 11, 2017 14:59:27 GMT
I don't mind either way, although in my head the Ninth Doctor had more 'Specials' type of adventures with one-off companions. If there were companions before Rose, I do think they are more One-Off adventures ones. Makes more sense with where he was until he met Rose He probably also had some one-off adventures before he returned to Rose and said 'Did I mention it also travels in time?'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 17:26:21 GMT
But they don't appear in two consecutive stories. Is that some sort of rule then? Because I've never heard of it before and it sounds like personal head canon to me. To me it's more about common sense use of grammar. A companion is someone who accompanies a person on their travels. A one off companion is someone like Adam who goes on one trip but doesn't travel long term. Someone who just appears in one story is just supporting cast.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 11, 2017 17:38:13 GMT
Hmmm, let's see... Is this anywhere near the ballpark?:
Unless you simply dislike a particular companion, a companion is someone who's traveled in the TARDIS that you want to see have additional travels in the TARDIS, and anyone else who's traveled in the TARDIS is a passenger?
That's probably about how I feel about it anyway, but others can likely think of some good exceptions to my "rule".
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