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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 11, 2017 17:42:52 GMT
Is that some sort of rule then? Because I've never heard of it before and it sounds like personal head canon to me. To me it's more about common sense use of grammar. A companion is someone who accompanies a person on their travels. A one off companion is someone like Adam who goes on one trip but doesn't travel long term. Someone who just appears in one story is just supporting cast. And yet Adam is a listed and bona fide companion according to RTD, who had the final say on that. A companion is someone who accompanies a person. The rest of the bit, "on their travels", isn't relevant. This is turning into an aluminum/aluminium debate. (The tomato/tomato variation doesn't work with text!) |
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 11, 2017 17:44:49 GMT
Absolutely not. I think it's going to get to the point where the Ninth Doctor's era will be oversaturated and damage the one, tight knit series Eccleston did on television. And that's without him reprising the role. You do have a good point, but I think on the other hand I could have had the same concern about any of The Doctors. I think it's really been more a case of whether the OS is being well served by a particular story that appears elsewhere - Big Finish particularly since I think they've often exceeded the OS. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 11, 2017 17:48:40 GMT
Absolutely not. I think it's going to get to the point where the Ninth Doctor's era will be oversaturated and damage the one, tight knit series Eccleston did on television. And that's without him reprising the role. You do have a good point, but I think on the other hand I could have had the same concern about any of The Doctors. I think it's really been more a case of whether the OS is being well served by a particular story that appears elsewhere - Big Finish particularly since I think they've often exceeded the OS. "Often"? More than that. In retrospective viewings I find the Classic series better now because of depth that BF has brought to the OS, especially with Sixie. And while 8 and later War are more bridging Doctors narratively, in that their adventures lie between the end of Classic and the start of Modern, BF have literally provided them with actual eras. |
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 11, 2017 18:23:46 GMT
I certainly think it depends on the circumstances. I think that the Ninth Doctor has a great arc that goes on through Eccleston's one series. It's tight knit, naturally with some wiggle room, but I think realistically you can only have so much before you damage that original story. I'm of the same opinion with Peri and what Big Finish did to her with the Fifth Doctor.
On the opposite end, I adore their ongoing era for the Eighth Doctor. I've also made it very clear on here that I have thoroughly appreciated what they've done for the War Doctor. They've provided a small era for him towards the end of his life, whilst retaining the mystery of him and the Time War earlier on in his tenure.
This doesn't just apply to Big Finish. I could say the same for Titan with their Ninth Doctor material, for example. Some of it is down to interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:00:26 GMT
To me it's more about common sense use of grammar. A companion is someone who accompanies a person on their travels. A one off companion is someone like Adam who goes on one trip but doesn't travel long term. Someone who just appears in one story is just supporting cast. And yet Adam is a listed and bona fide companion according to RTD, who had the final say on that. A companion is someone who accompanies a person. The rest of the bit, "on their travels", isn't relevant. This is turning into an aluminum/aluminium debate. (The tomato/tomato variation doesn't work with text!) You've misunderstood me. I was agreeing Adam IS a companion by the dictionary definition as he accompanied the Doctor on at least one journey. Characters such as anyone from the Next Doctor should not be called companions as they don't travel with the Doctor. So anyone nine encounters in a pre-Roman story is not a one time companion. They're someone he encounters. Unless of course they get in the TARDIS and go off with him, which I'd be surprised by. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 11, 2017 20:40:35 GMT
And yet Adam is a listed and bona fide companion according to RTD, who had the final say on that. A companion is someone who accompanies a person. The rest of the bit, "on their travels", isn't relevant. This is turning into an aluminum/aluminium debate. (The tomato/tomato variation doesn't work with text!) You've misunderstood me. I was agreeing Adam IS a companion by the dictionary definition as he accompanied the Doctor on at least one journey. Characters such as anyone from the Next Doctor should not be called companions as they don't travel with the Doctor. So anyone nine encounters in a pre-Roman story is not a one time companion. They're someone he encounters. Unless of course they get in the TARDIS and go off with him, which I'd be surprised by. Fair enough on that misunderstanding. But I'll still disagree on the need for travelling. You could travel, it isn't a requirement. Jackson Lake accompanies the Doctor in The Next Doctor yet doesn't travel into another adventure or in the Tardis (either version!). He's quite definitely not supporting cast and fits all the other definitions of a companion. He's a one-off companion. That's still a companion. On an entirely facetious analogy I may as well argue that Great Danes aren't terriers, but they're bot still dogs. Again, this is going in circles  |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 13, 2017 13:03:09 GMT
If there were companions before Rose, I do think they are more One-Off adventures ones. Makes more sense with where he was until he met Rose He probably also had some one-off adventures before he returned to Rose and said 'Did I mention it also travels in time?'. I think there is a short story set in that period |
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Post by constonks on Mar 13, 2017 14:12:23 GMT
He probably also had some one-off adventures before he returned to Rose and said 'Did I mention it also travels in time?'. I think there is a short story set in that period There is indeed. The Beast of Babylon, one of the Puffin e-Shorts from 2013. Which also happens to have the Ninth Doctor saying he had recently regenerated in Rose but I'd gladly accept some weird handwave for that (or a memory plot of some description). |
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Post by jjjjj on Mar 13, 2017 17:11:08 GMT
But they don't appear in two consecutive stories. does K 9? Umm, yea. He was in four seasons or so...Started with leela than both romana's. So yea, an odd question though. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 13, 2017 18:07:33 GMT
I think there is a short story set in that period There is indeed. The Beast of Babylon, one of the Puffin e-Shorts from 2013. Which also happens to have the Ninth Doctor saying he had recently regenerated in Rose but I'd gladly accept some weird handwave for that (or a memory plot of some description). Is that available in a book or is it download only? |
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Post by constonks on Mar 13, 2017 18:36:44 GMT
There is indeed. The Beast of Babylon, one of the Puffin e-Shorts from 2013. Which also happens to have the Ninth Doctor saying he had recently regenerated in Rose but I'd gladly accept some weird handwave for that (or a memory plot of some description). Is that available in a book or is it download only? Yes but only in the collection. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:51:12 GMT
There is indeed. The Beast of Babylon, one of the Puffin e-Shorts from 2013. Which also happens to have the Ninth Doctor saying he had recently regenerated in Rose but I'd gladly accept some weird handwave for that (or a memory plot of some description). Is that available in a book or is it download only? Also available as an audiobook. |
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Post by constonks on Mar 13, 2017 20:59:54 GMT
OH. I just remembered another person other than RTD who believed there to be a sizable gap between the regeneration and Rose for the Ninth Doctor: Steven Moffat. After all, he had every intention of having the Ninth Doctor fight in the Time War and appear in The Day of the Doctor before he had to invent a War Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 1:12:27 GMT
Given the Ninth Doctor's character, I very much doubt he'd have invited any companion aboard the TARDIS. If he were to have anyone travel long-term, they'd have likely forced their way aboard or snuck in through another means. They wouldn't be aboard for long either. I reckon it'd be an interesting little stepping stone if Rose and Jack are the first companions he allows aboard voluntarily. It would be interesting to see him as the Doctor who isn't allowed anything nice.
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Post by Ela on Mar 14, 2017 2:30:01 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Mar 14, 2017 2:46:13 GMT
I had to think about this for a while. But yeah, I think he could have had one.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 14, 2017 3:45:26 GMT
A vignette of what I'm dabbling with:
Hours later, the door to the Doctor’s cell opened and Vastra stood in the doorway. “Feedin’ time already? I'll ‘ave the soup de jour. And seeing as grapes haven evolved yet, it’ll be ginger pop for drink.” The Doctor smiled in such a way his ears wiggled. Vastra regarded him levelly, and said “I don't think you're as stupid as you want us to believe.”
“Well, it's been said before that no one is as stupid as I appear,” the Doctor relished trading barbs with his captors. It was a tried, trusted and true method of getting interesting results. Today was no different, it seemed that his apparently smug reply struck home and Vastra lost every vestige of self-control and she burst forward and grabbed the Doctor hissing “my people are facing death, and some alien,” she all but spat the word, “comes here and jokes and mocks. Either help or leave. No one here will stop you. No one here has the time to.” She pushed the Doctor away and turned her back on him, but not before the Doctor caught sight of the desperation in her eyes and the fear in her voice. He felt the weight of history on his shoulders, the looming pressure of a fixed point in time pressing on his soul. He knew he should leave. But he also knew what it was to face extinction. “No More,” he said softly. “What?” Vastra asked, turning to face the Doctor again.
“I'm not gonna run away. It's not my nature. I'll help you however I can.”
“I don't trust you,” Vastra said.
“That's okay, friendships have been built on less. One of my best friends tried to kill me when we first met. Now,” as if a switch was thrown the Doctor went from flippant to deadly serious, “what's your problem?”
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Post by constonks on Mar 14, 2017 4:41:44 GMT
Yup! I think they were released physically without the Twelfth Doctor story at some point as well. |
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 14, 2017 6:34:10 GMT
If that dabbling gets published, I want a signed copy.  Wish I could write like that. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 14, 2017 9:09:27 GMT
If that dabbling gets published, I want a signed copy. Wish I could write like that. I'm currently struggling to get from A (Doctor takes charge) to B (which is cliffhanger material). |
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