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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 6, 2017 18:43:35 GMT
Here's my theory for episodes 11 and 12:
Missy teams up with herself to alter Cyber-history by giving early iterations of Cybermen modern Cyber-technology.
They suceed and it messes with an already established fixed point in time: namely, the First Doctor's regeneration.
The Twelfth Doctor had the First Doctor locked in a university basement in the hope that without food and water he would regenerate and time would be set right.
This doesn't go according to plan when John Simm's Master has an idea to use the newly enhanced earlier iterations of Cybermen with the current ones to lead an attack on Gallifrey as revenge on Rassilon.
The Twelfth Doctor, Bill, Nardole and the First Doctor team up to stop The Masters.
At the end of the two parter, the First Doctor regenerates in the right place and Simm regenerates into Gomez after Gomez shoots her previous incarnation to save Gallifrey.
Time is back how it should be, however the older Missy becomes the Lord President of Gallifrey.
The new Missy gives Clara the best helpline in the universe.
Christmas will be The Time of The Master with The Doctor, Bill and Nardole v Missy and the Time Lords on Gallifrey.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 20:14:46 GMT
Didn't DWM report Missy's appearance was earlier in the series than the finale? Truth be told I'd rather she wasn't involved with the Cybermen at all. Let the Cybermen do something by themselves.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 6, 2017 20:32:46 GMT
I think Missy is in episode 6 (which is the first episode of the three-parter, I believe?) and I'm pretty certain she's in the finale too, given that she's been on set during Block 7 of filming, which is episodes 11 and 12.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 6, 2017 21:02:40 GMT
Didn't DWM report Missy's appearance was earlier in the series than the finale? Truth be told I'd rather she wasn't involved with the Cybermen at all. Let the Cybermen do something by themselves. The BBC confirmed Missy is in the finale, and you're not going to have your biggest series threat anywhere other than the end of the series. |
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Post by doomlord on Apr 6, 2017 21:08:15 GMT
Didn't DWM report Missy's appearance was earlier in the series than the finale? Truth be told I'd rather she wasn't involved with the Cybermen at all. Let the Cybermen do something by themselves. The BBC confirmed Missy is in the finale, and you're not going to have your biggest series threat anywhere other than the end of the series. Tell that to the Third Doctor. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 6, 2017 21:15:23 GMT
The BBC confirmed Missy is in the finale, and you're not going to have your biggest series threat anywhere other than the end of the series. Tell that to the Third Doctor. If it hadn't been for the car crash, Roger Degaldo would have been the big bad at the end of Pertwee's last series. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:20:21 GMT
Tell that to the Third Doctor. If it hadn't been for the car crash, Roger Degaldo would have been the big bad at the end of Pertwee's last series. That's interesting to learn. Where did you hear this? |
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 21:21:42 GMT
Didn't DWM report Missy's appearance was earlier in the series than the finale? Truth be told I'd rather she wasn't involved with the Cybermen at all. Let the Cybermen do something by themselves. The BBC confirmed Missy is in the finale, and you're not going to have your biggest series threat anywhere other than the end of the series. So probably the Cybermen playing second fiddle again. Seriously can they have their own proper story? Every season finale they've been in they've been overshadowed by something else. |
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 21:23:17 GMT
If it hadn't been for the car crash, Roger Degaldo would have been the big bad at the end of Pertwee's last series. That's interesting to learn. Where did you hear this? It was never quite so clear cut. The idea was Pertwee's regeneration story would have involved a final battle with the Master, which may have resulted in the Master giving his life to save the Doctor. This idea never got off the ground due to Delagado's unfortunate accident. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:25:41 GMT
That's interesting to learn. Where did you hear this? It was never quite so clear cut. The idea was Pertwee's regeneration story would have involved a final battle with the Master, which may have resulted in the Master giving his life to save the Doctor. This idea never got off the ground due to Delagado's unfortunate accident. Ah yes, I remember. Weren't they to reveal The Doctor and The Master were brothers or something? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 6, 2017 21:30:48 GMT
If it hadn't been for the car crash, Roger Degaldo would have been the big bad at the end of Pertwee's last series. That's interesting to learn. Where did you hear this? Various Who sources. It has been mentioned in DWM, and I believe it was in Doctor Who: The Complete History too. The plan was to reveal The Master was The Doctor's brother. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 6, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
The BBC confirmed Missy is in the finale, and you're not going to have your biggest series threat anywhere other than the end of the series. So probably the Cybermen playing second fiddle again. Seriously can they have their own proper story? Every season finale they've been in they've been overshadowed by something else. I reckon the Cybermen will play a similar part to Dark Water/Death In Heaven, and I'd be fine with that. I thought they were used well in that two parter. It's definitely one of the scariest new series stories to use them. |
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 22:15:44 GMT
So probably the Cybermen playing second fiddle again. Seriously can they have their own proper story? Every season finale they've been in they've been overshadowed by something else. I reckon the Cybermen will play a similar part to Dark Water/Death In Heaven, and I'd be fine with that. I thought they were used well in that two parter. It's definitely one of the scariest new series stories to use them. I will have to completely disagree with you there. They did nothing of any consequence in Death in Heaven. They marched out of St Paul's, blew themselves up, destroyed the plane and otherwise were Missy's puppets (literally puppets-she makes them do the flight safety bit!). They didn't even kill the cowering guy in the morgue for crying out loud! Death in Heaven focused on Missy, which was fine as Series 8 had been building up her all series. The previous series finale they appeared in, Doomsday, the Cybermen took a backseat to the Cult of Skaro and the parallel universe shenanigans. Surely the Cybermen are capable of having their own series finale? |
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 22:17:16 GMT
It was never quite so clear cut. The idea was Pertwee's regeneration story would have involved a final battle with the Master, which may have resulted in the Master giving his life to save the Doctor. This idea never got off the ground due to Delagado's unfortunate accident. Ah yes, I remember. Weren't they to reveal The Doctor and The Master were brothers or something? That was allegedly one aspect. This story never even got on the drawing board in the first place so who knows if their brotherhood would have ever made the cut. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 8, 2017 8:14:44 GMT
I imagine that Missy will (in some manner) provoke the Doctor to travel back in time to find out what happened to the Master after "The End of Time", and on the way ol' Eyebrows will help out with saving the planet in "Day of the Doctor".
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 8, 2017 8:20:28 GMT
I imagine that Missy will (in some manner) provoke the Doctor to travel back in time to find out what happened to the Master after "The End of Time", and on the way ol' Eyebrows will help out with saving the planet in "Day of the Doctor". That's a possibility, although I don't know how this would fit in with the Cybermen plot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 8:25:44 GMT
I've got no real desire to see Capaldi's side of the Day Of The Doctor scene. We didn't see the perspectives of Docs 1-9 after all, just their arrivals and we manage to reconcile it just fine. I just took it to be a great unexpected tease for us in the 50th - and the cinema erupted with cheers here for our hometown boy Capaldi when I saw it on the big screen - but never thought it was something that needed or even deserved revisiting. It sounds like there's enough to keep the Doctor busy at finale time and Christmas.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 8, 2017 8:28:22 GMT
I've got no real desire to see Capaldi's side of the Day Of The Doctor scene. We didn't see the perspectives of Docs 1-9 after all, just their arrivals and we manage to reconcile it just fine. I just took it to be a great unexpected tease for us in the 50th - and the cinema erupted with cheers here for our hometown boy Capaldi when I saw it on the big screen - but never thought it was something that needed or even deserved revisiting. It sounds like there's enough to keep the Doctor busy at finale time and Christmas. I think 9's point of view would be really interesting given that he believed he had blown up Gallifrey. It's a shame that there's no chance either the TV Series or Big Finish will ever persuade Christopher Eccleston to return. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 9:19:17 GMT
I've got no real desire to see Capaldi's side of the Day Of The Doctor scene. We didn't see the perspectives of Docs 1-9 after all, just their arrivals and we manage to reconcile it just fine. I just took it to be a great unexpected tease for us in the 50th - and the cinema erupted with cheers here for our hometown boy Capaldi when I saw it on the big screen - but never thought it was something that needed or even deserved revisiting. It sounds like there's enough to keep the Doctor busy at finale time and Christmas. I think 9's point of view would be really interesting given that he believed he had blown up Gallifrey. It's a shame that there's no chance either the TV Series or Big Finish will ever persuade Christopher Eccleston to return. There is one interesting way of doing it which I think was overlooked for the anniversary... The Doctor has a diary and Stephen Beckett from The Kingmaker has often come up as a suitable imitator for Eccleston, so why not have later incarnations begin to recount his exploits from torn pages scattered in the hereafter and slowly shift into a voiceover? If there's a desperate need him to appear on screen, just show the back of his head, hands and the jacket. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 8, 2017 10:42:30 GMT
I think 9's point of view would be really interesting given that he believed he had blown up Gallifrey. It's a shame that there's no chance either the TV Series or Big Finish will ever persuade Christopher Eccleston to return. There is one interesting way of doing it which I think was overlooked for the anniversary... The Doctor has a diary and Stephen Beckett from The Kingmaker has often come up as a suitable imitator for Eccleston, so why not have later incarnations begin to recount his exploits from torn pages scattered in the hereafter and slowly shift into a voiceover? If there's a desperate need him to appear on screen, just show the back of his head, hands and the jacket. That could have been interesting, but it may have been seen as recasting Christopher Eccleston. |
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