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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 15:35:10 GMT
just seen a GIF on Corbyn view through the years by Channel 4, his views on defence are flipping unnerving. Regards mark687 Controversial certainly, but it's long past time we stopped thinking we're a global superpower. Don't compare his views to what we do now, compare them to other small countries like ourselves.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 12, 2017 15:45:22 GMT
just seen a GIF on Corbyn view through the years by Channel 4, his views on defence are flipping unnerving. Regards mark687 Controversial certainly, but it's long past time we stopped thinking we're a global superpower. Don't compare his views to what we do now, compare them to other small countries like ourselves. And that's the trouble by voting Brexit we're becoming a smaller isolates island IMO at least at the moment you can argue we still have practical and varied protection in place.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 16:39:01 GMT
Controversial certainly, but it's long past time we stopped thinking we're a global superpower. Don't compare his views to what we do now, compare them to other small countries like ourselves. And that's the trouble by voting Brexit we're becoming a smaller isolates island IMO at least at the moment you can argue we still have practical and varied protection in place.
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Much as Trump's ego got inflated by May and her proposed State Visit for him, which is what I think made him say the UK and US could conclude a trade pact quickly and on good terms, the opportunity is closing, firstly Trump's ego may get very deflated if/when he actually comes, the protests will be loud and widespread against him. But the biggest reason for the "special" relationship has been two things, firstly that we were a useful conduit for the US to interface with the EU and to lessor extent other countries who would or could deal with us easier than the US, and also conversely, if countires felt easier dealing with the UK, they could bend our ear in the hope we would influence the US. But with our withdrawal from the EU, with the rise of China, India and other Asian countries and Trump marginalising the US by withdrawing from the Paris accord and as many trade deals as he can rip up, then the reason for the "special" relationship is diminishing. Again we were a conduit for smaller Commonwealth nations to be heard by the EU, again inflating our importance in the world. Now we are out of the EU, we are heading for more irrelevance as an international partner than since any time in our history since Elizabethan times.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 12, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 21:55:11 GMT
Youtube says: I used to watch loads of "Daily Show" clips on Youtube and a few weeks back they stopped it, now "Last Week Tonight", if/when they stop me viewing "The Late Show" I'll pretty much be cut off from current affairs in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 21:57:05 GMT
Youtube says:I used to watch loads of "Daily Show" clips on Youtube and a few weeks back they stopped it, now "Last Week Tonight", if/when they stop me viewing "The Late Show" I'll pretty much be cut off from current affairs in the US. It looks like it's only that clip as others are working for me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 12, 2017 21:58:56 GMT
Does HBO not have a British service that it partners with?
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 21:59:56 GMT
Youtube says:I used to watch loads of "Daily Show" clips on Youtube and a few weeks back they stopped it, now "Last Week Tonight", if/when they stop me viewing "The Late Show" I'll pretty much be cut off from current affairs in the US. It looks like it's only that clip as others are working for me. For me it looks like they cut off access to new content 4 weeks ago. Lastest video I can see on the channel is "Net Neutrality Update: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (Web Exclusive)" 2,645,859 views 4 weeks ago
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 22:03:13 GMT
Does HBO not have a British service that it partners with? Sky carry a lot of HBO content. But, Sky is satellite or cable, is not free to air, and I don't subscribe to them, also, the only show like that I've actually seen carried here in the UK is the Daily Show (or at least it used to be) but it's seriously edited to make it understandable by a UK audience, but since I've been following US politics quite closely (for a Brit) for about 3 years now, I find the cut down version of little interest.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 12, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
Youtube says:I used to watch loads of "Daily Show" clips on Youtube and a few weeks back they stopped it, now "Last Week Tonight", if/when they stop me viewing "The Late Show" I'll pretty much be cut off from current affairs in the US. Should be visible on Facebook here: www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/1241307629331577/
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Post by sherlock on Jun 12, 2017 22:17:42 GMT
Does HBO not have a British service that it partners with? Sky carry a lot of HBO content. But, Sky is satellite or cable, is not free to air, and I don't subscribe to them, also, the only show like that I've actually seen carried here in the UK is the Daily Show (or at least it used to be) but it's seriously edited to make it understandable by a UK audience, but since I've been following US politics quite closely (for a Brit) for about 3 years now, I find the cut down version of little interest. It's aired on Sky Atlantic here in the UK.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 22:52:34 GMT
Youtube says:I used to watch loads of "Daily Show" clips on Youtube and a few weeks back they stopped it, now "Last Week Tonight", if/when they stop me viewing "The Late Show" I'll pretty much be cut off from current affairs in the US. Should be visible on Facebook here: www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/1241307629331577/Yeah... well... yeah... were fucked aren't we?
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2017 22:55:16 GMT
Yeah... well... yeah... were fiddlesticksed aren't we? Errr, since when did we have a swearing filter? I didn't write that, and what I did write was within our rules and frankly about the most accurate, yet succinct description I could come up with. "Fiddlesticksed" is not.
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Post by Tony Jones on Jun 13, 2017 8:01:26 GMT
Yeah... well... yeah... were fiddlesticksed aren't we? Errr, since when did we have a swearing filter? I didn't write that, and what I did write was within our rules and frankly about the most accurate, yet succinct description I could come up with. "Fiddlesticksed" is not. The filter is buried in the admin options - there are only three words, including the f word and the c word. No idea who set them up, I seem to remember some (all?) being set up moons ago.
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Post by number13 on Jun 13, 2017 8:40:41 GMT
Is it OK to swear 'fluently in an obscure Martian dialect' ?
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 13, 2017 19:22:15 GMT
Hello again. What a mess. That election campaign was the longest, in the case of the Tories most negative, campaign for quite a while.
As in 2010, the British public said no they were not going to be taken advantage of by the incumbent PM nor were they totally convinced by the proposals of the leader of the opposition.
Unfortunately, this means we are back in the seventies again. Lots of commentators are reminded of Edward Heath who also told the electorate to back him asking "Who governs? Me or the miners?". The difference being that unlike Heath; May was not an elected Prime Minister just like Gordon Brown in 2010. Unlike others,I knew she would go to the country to get the legitimacy Nicola Sturgeon said she lacked.
She asked for a mandate. She now has a mandate but not a majority. Her party has more votes and more seats than any other party. Labour's Mr Corbyn did run a positive campaign. They actually said we will do this and did not run away from the British Public. That said, even if he formed a 'rainbow' coalition he still would not have a majority and any minority government that he could form would be even wobblier than May's DUP confidence and supply agreement.
Although, our electoral system demands a majority, in other electoral systems coalitions and agreements are common place. Like Ian Hislop, I am not a fan of thumping three digit majorities. This is because large majorities cause governing parties to think they are invincible.
May is a caretaker Prime Minister. She has a limited shelf life but I think has the abilities to work hard for the well-being of the country. May is not like that idiot Cameron. He too took the electorate for granted. The difference? He resigned leaving others to sort the mess out.
May has more of a sense of duty. She knows she has to work hard. She knows she must establish a consensus with Mr. Corbyn's Labour and the leaders of the other home nations. The last thing the UK needs is another election. Neither in the short term do we need another Tory leadership contest because whoever won would not have been elected.
The government will have to govern for the whole United Kingdom and not just on purely idealogical grounds. This will be reflected in the forthcoming Queen's Speech. If the Queen's Speech does not demonstrate that the government accepts the new political reality; then it will surely fall. This w ill result in more uncertainty, at a time when we desperately need stability.
We need our political parties to work together in the short term at least until 2019/20. They must work together to create a positive future for the UK. Working with Europe, but not part of the European Union. An outward looking country willing to be a positive influence on the rest of the world. This is a huge ask. Hopefully, our elected representatives know that we are watching them...
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 13, 2017 19:35:28 GMT
Hello again. What a mess. That election campaign was the longest, in the case of the Tories most negative, campaign for quite a while. May is a caretaker Prime Minister. She has a limited shelf life but I think has the abilities to work hard for the well-being of the country. May is not like that idiot Cameron. He too took the electorate for granted. The difference? He resigned leaving others to sort the mess out. May has more of a sense of duty. She knows she has to work hard to establish a consensus with Labour and the leaders of the other home nations. The government will have to govern for the whole United Kingdom and not just on purely idealogical grounds. If it does not, then it will surely fall; resulting in more uncertainty, at a time when we need stability. We need our political parties to work together in the short term. They must work together to create a positive future for the UK. In Europe but not part of the European Union. An outward looking country willing to be a positive influence on the rest of the world. I never liked Cameron but I felt he was "doing his duty" by actually resigning from a position he could not lead from, to do a job (Brexit) he did not believe in. Staying on doesn't necessarily mean you're doing your duty. May attempting to get a consensus...well, this is going to fun to watch since she has none of Cameron's charisma (and I'm very much of the belief that he was just like "C-3PO made out of ham" that was posited a few years ago), and no actual policies. Except they're not governing on purely ideological grounds, and weirdly that's not a good thing. They're clinging on to power because that's what they do. A quick reference to Sir John Major's interview today perhaps,where he was far kinder than I am but still straight talking and worthy of respect. (The last Tory leader I DID have respect for to be fair) And your last point? Ah, that'd be nice wouldn't it? I voted Remain and think Brexit is nonsense but if you have to have it then "In Europe but not part of the European Union. An outward looking country willing to be a positive influence on the rest of the world"? That's not a bad thing to aspire to, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 20:42:48 GMT
Errr, since when did we have a swearing filter? I didn't write that, and what I did write was within our rules and frankly about the most accurate, yet succinct description I could come up with. "Fiddlesticksed" is not. The filter is buried in the admin options - there are only three words, including the f word and the c word. No idea who set them up, I seem to remember some (all?) being set up moons ago. You don't have any stars! How did that happen?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 20:45:31 GMT
Hello again. What a mess. That election campaign was the longest, in the case of the Tories most negative, campaign for quite a while. May is a caretaker Prime Minister. She has a limited shelf life but I think has the abilities to work hard for the well-being of the country. May is not like that idiot Cameron. He too took the electorate for granted. The difference? He resigned leaving others to sort the mess out. May has more of a sense of duty. She knows she has to work hard to establish a consensus with Labour and the leaders of the other home nations. The government will have to govern for the whole United Kingdom and not just on purely idealogical grounds. If it does not, then it will surely fall; resulting in more uncertainty, at a time when we need stability. We need our political parties to work together in the short term. They must work together to create a positive future for the UK. In Europe but not part of the European Union. An outward looking country willing to be a positive influence on the rest of the world. I never liked Cameron but I felt he was "doing his duty" by actually resigning from a position he could not lead from, to do a job (Brexit) he did not believe in. Staying on doesn't necessarily mean you're doing your duty. May attempting to get a consensus...well, this is going to fun to watch since she has none of Cameron's charisma (and I'm very much of the belief that he was just like "C-3PO made out of ham" that was posited a few years ago), and no actual policies. Except they're not governing on purely ideological grounds, and weirdly that's not a good thing. They're clinging on to power because that's what they do. A quick reference to Sir John Major's interview today perhaps,where he was far kinder than I am but still straight talking and worthy of respect. (The last Tory leader I DID have respect for to be fair) And your last point? Ah, that'd be nice wouldn't it? I voted Remain and think Brexit is nonsense but if you have to have it then "In Europe but not part of the European Union. An outward looking country willing to be a positive influence on the rest of the world"? That's not a bad thing to aspire to, is it? When John Major is publicly criticising a Comservative leaders attempts to form a government you know they're in trouble. Hat off to him for speaking his mind.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 13, 2017 21:02:56 GMT
Hello again.
I'm sorry I am not a John Major fan. This is the man who involved us in the exchange rate mechanism fiasco in the 90s and with that Soros chap caused untold misery. I do think he has the experience in how to deal with the wolves in the Tory party. Mrs May would do well to have a chat with him!
Yes I agree, holding onto power is the raison d'être of the Tory party. However on this occasion, they will have to be disciplined and actually get on with the job of running the country while seeking a broad consensus. Someone has to lead. At present they have a mandate but not a majority. So they will need to think about what is best for the many and not the few.
Cameron did not even consider the public's growing disillusion with the EU. He was arrogant and while it was right for him to go. He did not stay in Parliament and serve his constituents on the back benches.
What many MPs fail to realise, is that they are public servants. This Parliament, whoever is leading it has an important job to do. It is one of the most diverse Parliaments for ages. All of these MPs have been elected to serve their constituents and the country as a whole.
For once let us hope that they do not indulge in petty and self-indulgent point-scoring or infighting and actually do their jobs properly. I can dream can't I?
P.S There's always Have I Got News for You, The Last Leg and The News Quiz to cheer us up!
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