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Post by shallacatop on Mar 22, 2022 13:22:11 GMT
Big Finish is a business. There are lots of people who would by audios with Jo Martin in them, so it's literally a case of leaving money on the table because of stupid old-fashioned views. There are people that would buy Jo Martin Audios
But there are lots that wont buy Audios featuring her or anything from The 13th Doctor Era
i guess it will be interesting to see how the audios will sell In the same way there’s lots of people who don’t buy certain ranges because it doesn’t interest them, whether that’s due to indifference, dislike, lack of knowledge, etc. It’s such a non-statement.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 22, 2022 17:47:25 GMT
Well, just for the record, I would definitely buy Jo Martin audios. I love her Doctor. Which is an equally valid statement.
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Post by stcoop on Mar 22, 2022 18:30:59 GMT
In the same way there’s lots of people who don’t buy certain ranges because it doesn’t interest them, whether that’s due to indifference, dislike, lack of knowledge, etc. It’s such a non-statement.
Exactly. I don't buy any DW releases that don't feature at least one original cast member* but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't make them.
*Except for the David Bradley stuff which I treat as Unbounds rather then them trying to replace the original cast.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 22, 2022 19:11:25 GMT
There are people that would buy Jo Martin Audios
But there are lots that wont buy Audios featuring her or anything from The 13th Doctor Era
i guess it will be interesting to see how the audios will sell In the same way there’s lots of people who don’t buy certain ranges because it doesn’t interest them, whether that’s due to indifference, dislike, lack of knowledge, etc. It’s such a non-statement. Yeah. How is this different from anything else? We buy the things which interest us and pass on the things which don’t.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 22, 2022 20:16:15 GMT
On the point of Doc Martin audios
Well, bit different from the usual BF fare, but if they can get the license and Martin Clunes is willing, why not? Probably sell more with Doc Martin than they would with Dr Ruth, of course...
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 26, 2022 11:13:59 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Mar 26, 2022 11:41:24 GMT
This Weeks Live Link www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2022-03-27-rtd-hodiac6th Doc in general and Mind of the Hodiac Discussed, Behind the Scenes and Drama Teased Audio Novel Scourge of the Cybermen Good Reviews Also Available section Adam Adamant Lives! (Vol 2 Face Off so beware there's lots of Spoilers) Bits and Bobs Colin Baker gave Nick a contact for one of his early jobs. Billie once asked Nick to talk on the phone in Dalek character to a friend, later Nick told this to a journalist at a Press Event but the journalist had it published as Nick saying he'd done it to Chris Evens (the British DJ and Billie's then Husband) later confronted the journalist and didn't get an apology. From the E-Mails There will be another Space 1999 boxset and there is a loose story arc to them. BF announcement schedule BBC have told BF to Avoid New announcement Releases around the time of new TV Eps, hence why February was busywith new news for things due in the short term as TV news was quiet Also they are aware people Budget and early Pre Order is still the most cost effective for the consumer As with all BF release new 1DAs will have an as era authentic soundscape as possible When Live this weeks RAN Offer Title (25% Off CD[while stocks last]/ DL) will be: DW Lost Stories 4.4 The Mega As it hasn't been recorded yet no info about next weeks Podcast Regards mark687
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Post by Ela on Mar 27, 2022 19:26:58 GMT
Listening to the latest podcast and I have to say that Nick’s current gag of rating reviews is getting really old and fairly boring.
It was funny at first, and I guess he was trying to make a point about how reviews are written and and how stories are rated, but it has long since stopped being funny.
I wish he’d cut it out.
Similarly, Benji’s joke about a review having 5 stars but one of them is white stopped being funny quite a while ago.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Mar 27, 2022 19:51:43 GMT
Listening to the latest podcast and I have to say that Nick’s current gag of rating reviews is getting really old and fairly boring. It was funny at first, and I guess he was trying to make a point about how reviews are written and and how stories are rated, but it has long since stopped being funny. I wish he’d cut it out. Similarly, Benji’s joke about a review having 5 stars but one of them is white stopped being funny quite a while ago. If you tell them that, they will mock you on the podcast and complain you hurt their feelings.
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Post by stcoop on Mar 27, 2022 20:11:15 GMT
Like most bullies Briggs can dish it out but can't take it.
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Post by Ela on Mar 27, 2022 21:58:29 GMT
Listening to the latest podcast and I have to say that Nick’s current gag of rating reviews is getting really old and fairly boring. It was funny at first, and I guess he was trying to make a point about how reviews are written and and how stories are rated, but it has long since stopped being funny. I wish he’d cut it out. Similarly, Benji’s joke about a review having 5 stars but one of them is white stopped being funny quite a while ago. If you tell them that, they will mock you on the podcast and complain you hurt their feelings. Possibly. I wasn't actually planning to write into the podcast to tell them, though. Just venting about it here. Hopefully they'll get tired of it soon. Sometimes I think they're talking more for themselves than for the listeners.
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 28, 2022 0:09:55 GMT
Listening to the latest podcast and I have to say that Nick’s current gag of rating reviews is getting really old and fairly boring. It was funny at first, and I guess he was trying to make a point about how reviews are written and and how stories are rated, but it has long since stopped being funny. I wish he’d cut it out. Similarly, Benji’s joke about a review having 5 stars but one of them is white stopped being funny quite a while ago. Honestly considering that Nick publicly revealed that all the reviews he reads on the podcast are pre selected by his team to only show the positive reviews and with Nick being one of the creative heads in charge at big finish that is a huge red flag imo
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Post by Ela on Mar 28, 2022 1:33:10 GMT
Listening to the latest podcast and I have to say that Nick’s current gag of rating reviews is getting really old and fairly boring. It was funny at first, and I guess he was trying to make a point about how reviews are written and and how stories are rated, but it has long since stopped being funny. I wish he’d cut it out. Similarly, Benji’s joke about a review having 5 stars but one of them is white stopped being funny quite a while ago. Honestly considering that Nick publicly revealed that all the reviews he reads on the podcast are pre selected by his team to only show the positive reviews and with Nick being one of the creative heads in charge at big finish that is a huge red flag imo I don't consider that a red flag, to be honest. The purpose of the podcast is to promote the product of Big Finish. So why on earth would they want to read out negative reviews?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 1:42:45 GMT
Honestly considering that Nick publicly revealed that all the reviews he reads on the podcast are pre selected by his team to only show the positive reviews and with Nick being one of the creative heads in charge at big finish that is a huge red flag imo I don't consider that a red flag, to be honest. The purpose of the podcast is to promote the product of Big Finish. So why on earth would they want to read out negative reviews? Yeah, 100%. Its promotion, not objectivity they want. Now, we can ask do some reviewers offer BF a very easy time with their critiques to keep a stream of expensive items comin in free? Well, I think some do (as they seem to find at least one perfect aspect in every review and offer a nice easy pull quote for BF to use) but that is another debate. BF themselves are of course after friendly reviews. Just like the new Batman...does Illusive expect Warners to have some bad quotes on the poster for an illusion of objectivity? And frankly its better someone in the team does the selection since we have seen Nick be...a bit, well, Nick in responding to perfectly valid reviews that he personally doesn't like. A company head who send promos for review to then belittle the reviews - not a terribly nice look. So seems this is the exact way it should be.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 28, 2022 6:48:47 GMT
Yeah, a podcast is a promotional piece, so I’d fully expect them to showcase positive reviews on there to sell the product. To have them pre-selected prior to the podcast should address any issues Briggs wouldn’t be afraid to air with the reviewer, as he’s done numerous times in the past.
If I was to take any issue with Big Finish reviews, it’s those that are given free copies and in return get a rewrite of the synopsis, a string of (often nonsensical) positive praise and a high score. The lack of objectivity ultimately renders it meaningless, but y’know, it gets them their output for nowt.
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 28, 2022 11:49:27 GMT
Yeah, a podcast is a promotional piece, so I’d fully expect them to showcase positive reviews on there to sell the product. To have them pre-selected prior to the podcast should address any issues Briggs wouldn’t be afraid to air with the reviewer, as he’s done numerous times in the past. If I was to take any issue with Big Finish reviews, it’s those that are given free copies and in return get a rewrite of the synopsis, a string of (often nonsensical) positive praise and a high score. The lack of objectivity ultimately renders it meaningless, but y’know, it gets them their output for nowt. I Understand The Podcast showcasing the audios with reviews however calling the Review section The Good Review Guide and having stated in the past that they do pre-selected reviews makes one a bit distrusting
especially the Regenreviews incident on social media which lead the reviewer to change his review and with the price of audios (and everything) increasing it makes it a bit hard to have faith in Big Finish especially with the quantity of audios coming out
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Post by Ela on Mar 28, 2022 14:32:44 GMT
Yeah, a podcast is a promotional piece, so I’d fully expect them to showcase positive reviews on there to sell the product. To have them pre-selected prior to the podcast should address any issues Briggs wouldn’t be afraid to air with the reviewer, as he’s done numerous times in the past. If I was to take any issue with Big Finish reviews, it’s those that are given free copies and in return get a rewrite of the synopsis, a string of (often nonsensical) positive praise and a high score. The lack of objectivity ultimately renders it meaningless, but y’know, it gets them their output for nowt. I Understand The Podcast showcasing the audios with reviews however calling the Review section The Good Review Guide and having stated in the past that they do pre-selected reviews makes one a bit distrusting
especially the Regenreviews incident on social media which lead the reviewer to change his review and with the price of audios (and everything) increasing it makes it a bit hard to have faith in Big Finish especially with the quantity of audios coming out
I’m unfamiliar with that incident so can’t comment. Pre-selecting reviews, again, makes sense for the purpose of a podcast, as it would take longer to find reviews they want to read out if they searched for them during the podcast.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2022 14:43:23 GMT
Yeah, a podcast is a promotional piece, so I’d fully expect them to showcase positive reviews on there to sell the product. To have them pre-selected prior to the podcast should address any issues Briggs wouldn’t be afraid to air with the reviewer, as he’s done numerous times in the past. If I was to take any issue with Big Finish reviews, it’s those that are given free copies and in return get a rewrite of the synopsis, a string of (often nonsensical) positive praise and a high score. The lack of objectivity ultimately renders it meaningless, but y’know, it gets them their output for nowt. I Understand The Podcast showcasing the audios with reviews however calling the Review section The Good Review Guide and having stated in the past that they do pre-selected reviews makes one a bit distrusting
especially the Regenreviews incident on social media which lead the reviewer to change his review and with the price of audios (and everything) increasing it makes it a bit hard to have faith in Big Finish especially with the quantity of audios coming out
"Good Review Guide" is ambiguous - does it mean a guide to good reviews (which it is) or a good guide to reviews (which it isn't). I think what they do is fair enough - they're not pretending to be offering the totality of reviews, or to be "balanced" in the reviews they quote, and have stated this more than once.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 28, 2022 22:19:01 GMT
The podcast is a sales tool. Period. Of course it is going to feature positive reviews. As David notes, movie ads & posters don’t generally feature negative content. Or the press copy in books either. Personally I ignore most reviews, I buy based on a lot of different factors, habit sometimes being among them, but review websites don’t factor in at all. I have long given Nick something of a pass because I understand the doubts & insecurities of being a creative person but it has felt like things have shifted with Nick in the past couple of years and he has gotten more abrasive to any whiff of negativity while also sounding needier of praise. It makes the podcast a harder listen for me. Maybe as Nick withdraws from interviews & convention appearances it is time for the podcast to receive an overhaul.
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Post by pdt on Mar 29, 2022 21:33:33 GMT
Yeah, a podcast is a promotional piece, so I’d fully expect them to showcase positive reviews on there to sell the product. To have them pre-selected prior to the podcast should address any issues Briggs wouldn’t be afraid to air with the reviewer, as he’s done numerous times in the past. If I was to take any issue with Big Finish reviews, it’s those that are given free copies and in return get a rewrite of the synopsis, a string of (often nonsensical) positive praise and a high score. The lack of objectivity ultimately renders it meaningless, but y’know, it gets them their output for nowt. I've stopped bothering reading any of the reviews that go out within 24 hours of a release. As you say, most of them are puff pieces - and poorly written ones, at that. Perhaps things have changed now, but a good friend of mine wrote for a review site some years back, and if the site published a BF review that was more than very mildly critical, the company would make its feelings known. And since nobody wanted to get on the wrong side of Big Finish/have their precious freebie access taken away, the notion of constructive criticism flew out of the window.
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