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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 17, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on May 17, 2017 22:35:43 GMT
Finally some Good News!
And one of my favorite parody accounts
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Post by theotherjosh on May 17, 2017 22:37:25 GMT
Wonkette has a pretty good rundown of this guy's atrocities. From the article: But our favorite Wheeler story of all was his contention on Bill O’Reilly’s show in October of 2007 that a “national underground network” of lesbians packing pink pistols were roaming America, raping straight boys and forcing straight girls to become lesbians, at (pink) gunpoint:
The guy is an absolute buffoon.
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Post by kimalysong on May 17, 2017 22:43:02 GMT
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Post by jasonward on May 17, 2017 22:53:31 GMT
So I guess that means senior Republicans either have to say "it didn't happen" and hope the tape never surfaces, or they got to admit that pretty much always thought that Trump was a Russian patsy.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 17, 2017 22:57:37 GMT
So I guess that means senior Republicans either have to say "it didn't happen" and hope the tape never surfaces, or they got to admit that pretty much always thought that Trump was a Russian patsy. Senior Republicans did say it didn't happen and that no such tape existed. They were then informed those reporting had already heard the tape and the reply became it was all a joke. Which is oddly enough a line Trump supporters tried trotting out this morning in regard to the Comey story.
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Post by jasonward on May 17, 2017 23:00:51 GMT
So I guess that means senior Republicans either have to say "it didn't happen" and hope the tape never surfaces, or they got to admit that pretty much always thought that Trump was a Russian patsy. Senior Republicans did say it didn't happen and that no such tape existed. They were then informed those reporting had already heard the tape and the reply became it was all a joke. Which is oddly enough a line Trump supporters tried trotting out this morning in regard to the Comey story. Sworn to secrecy, and appeal to "this is how we know were all family here" because someone made a joke? Sure, yeah, I buy that... pffft.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 17, 2017 23:43:01 GMT
Senior Republicans did say it didn't happen and that no such tape existed. They were then informed those reporting had already heard the tape and the reply became it was all a joke. Which is oddly enough a line Trump supporters tried trotting out this morning in regard to the Comey story. Sworn to secrecy, and appeal to "this is how we know were all family here" because someone made a joke? Sure, yeah, I buy that... pffft. And if it WAS a joke....well, I've said for years the biggest problem with conservatives is that they just aren't very funny.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 18, 2017 10:48:37 GMT
I'm just going to add this. This is not personal at anyone present, but more an observation from my experiences on social media especially in the response to Comey's firing. Criticising Trump does not equal promoting Hillary Clinton. Somehow the response of his supporters to any criticism of Trump usually seems to be 'but Hillary was worse'. The election is over. It's not about Hillary anymore. She is not relevant to political discussion anymore. Why is she still being brought up at all? Not all non-Trump supporters supported her in the first place anyway. Trump is President now, every action he takes will be scrutinised. Why Comey was fired is not clear, it needs clarification. Trump and his own White House have offered two conflicting stories, and now there's implications he tried to compel Comey to ease off the investigation, which surely at least needs looking into. The United States was designed with a strong executive, therefore that executive needs scrutinising. Right I've said my piece, I'm going back to the election on my side of the pond. Best wishes to those across the pond. here's the thing. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. And if Sanders would have carried the dem nomination, I think he wins. But there is a major flaw in the system when your only choices are an brat or a criminal. Do I want Trump gone? Not really, but I won't mind Pence as president, not nearly as much as the liberals will hate it. A republican who knows how to work with a republican congress, would not be a bad thing, unless you're a liberal. U.S.A.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 18, 2017 10:55:26 GMT
yeah. Like they wanna admit their son was a possible snitch. The report was on the facts. Not his parents, or your opinion. But don't let actual facts get in your way, you never do. U.S.A.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 18, 2017 11:08:01 GMT
Show me some facts. Is Corney willing to swear to the memo?
Is there anyone willing to testify that Trump gave classified Intel to Russia that he didn't have the authority to give?
I need more than opinions. I actually need hard evidence.
U.S.A.
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Post by sherlock on May 18, 2017 11:15:00 GMT
yeah. Like they wanna admit their son was a possible snitch. The report was on the facts. Not his parents, or your opinion. But don't let actual facts get in your way, you never do. U.S.A. Having just re-read both stories. A. The initial Fox News story does not provide hard evidence of actual 'snitching' B. Fox News' only named source is a third-party hired private investigator C. The federal source cited by Fox is apparently contradicted by another FBI source in the CNN report where they state they did not take possession of his laptop, so that element is unconfirmed-therefore not a fact So the actual facts are unclear. Well far be it for me to criticise the electoral system of another country...but the electoral college is fundamentally a relic.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 18, 2017 13:01:30 GMT
yeah. Like they wanna admit their son was a possible snitch. The report was on the facts. Not his parents, or your opinion. But don't let actual facts get in your way, you never do. U.S.A. Having just re-read both stories. A. The initial Fox News story does not provide hard evidence of actual 'snitching' B. Fox News' only named source is a third-party hired private investigator C. The federal source cited by Fox is apparently contradicted by another FBI source in the CNN report where they state they did not take possession of his laptop, so that element is unconfirmed-therefore not a fact So the actual facts are unclear. Well far be it for me to criticise the electoral system of another country...but the electoral college is fundamentally a relic. A. No evidence, just the word of a former Washington detective, who was paid by the Rich family. And an unnamed federal investigator. B. How many named sources are needed? It's apparent that almost all sources anti Trump are unnamed, and unsubstantiated. While this one gives one named and one unnamed, will the former detective be willing to testify? Currently unknown. C. One unnamed source vetoes another unnamed source. So we do know one of the sources, or one of the media outlets is lying. So it boils down to: is the named source credible or not? A former detective who was paid by the family to investigate. And the family doesn't like his findings. Should they keep hiring different agencies until they get the result they want? Or should they just tell the agency up front, what they want them to find out?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 13:33:28 GMT
The Tomahawk missile strikes on a Syrian airbase. The action which led him to forget the country he was bombing, but remember the cake he was eating. A faux pas that comes straight from the horse's mouth itself. Ah, now, I'd say that he'll be sitting on the Clinton decision for a while yet. It's been a hundred days and so far... nothing. Given the rather amicable friendship between Trump's eldest daughter Ivanka and Hillary’s daughter Chelsea, I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon. It involves family and jailing Clinton runs the risk of alienating her, so there's a personal stake in the decision as well. For the moment, she exists as little more than a scapegoat for Soviet Whataboutism.
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Post by mark687 on May 18, 2017 13:35:05 GMT
Having just re-read both stories. A. The initial Fox News story does not provide hard evidence of actual 'snitching' B. Fox News' only named source is a third-party hired private investigator C. The federal source cited by Fox is apparently contradicted by another FBI source in the CNN report where they state they did not take possession of his laptop, so that element is unconfirmed-therefore not a fact So the actual facts are unclear. Well far be it for me to criticise the electoral system of another country...but the electoral college is fundamentally a relic. A. No evidence, just the word of a former Washington detective, who was paid by the Rich family. And an unnamed federal investigator. B. How many named sources are needed? It's apparent that almost all sources anti Trump are unnamed, and unsubstantiated. While this one gives one named and one unnamed, will the former detective be willing to testify? Currently unknown. C. One unnamed source vetoes another unnamed source. So we do know one of the sources, or one of the media outlets is lying. So it boils down to: is the named source credible or not? A former detective who was paid by the family to investigate. And the family doesn't like his findings. Should they keep hiring different agencies until they get the result they want? Or should they just tell the agency up front, what they want them to find out? Congress and Senate are both Republican controlled enough individuals in both Houses have agreed there are questions that need to be answered, now there seems to be an agreement that the White House may have an undue influence over how the investigation is progressing and as independent as possible investigator has been appointed, this is before whether the answers are "Right", this is just to make sure they get them.
Regards
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 18, 2017 16:14:08 GMT
The Tomahawk missile strikes on a Syrian airbase. The action which led him to forget the country he was bombing, but remember the cake he was eating. A faux pas that comes straight from the horse's mouth itself. Ah, now, I'd say that he'll be sitting on the Clinton decision for a while yet. It's been a hundred days and so far... nothing. Given the rather amicable friendship between Trump's eldest daughter Ivanka and Hillary’s daughter Chelsea, I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon. It involves family and jailing Clinton runs the risk of alienating her, so there's a personal stake in the decision as well. For the moment, she exists as little more than a scapegoat for Soviet Whataboutism. Have You noticed that we are in a period of DC politics where the major focus is to discredit your opposition. No one cares about governing, just about making sure the other party don't.
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Post by sherlock on May 18, 2017 16:35:44 GMT
The Tomahawk missile strikes on a Syrian airbase. The action which led him to forget the country he was bombing, but remember the cake he was eating. A faux pas that comes straight from the horse's mouth itself. Ah, now, I'd say that he'll be sitting on the Clinton decision for a while yet. It's been a hundred days and so far... nothing. Given the rather amicable friendship between Trump's eldest daughter Ivanka and Hillary’s daughter Chelsea, I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon. It involves family and jailing Clinton runs the risk of alienating her, so there's a personal stake in the decision as well. For the moment, she exists as little more than a scapegoat for Soviet Whataboutism. Have You noticed that we are in a period of DC politics where the major focus is to discredit your opposition. No one cares about governing, just about making sure the other party don't. The partisanship in America has been growing for years and goes both ways. The US is basically in a state of partisan ping-pong, neither side will compromise on anything. Problem is, your system is dependent on compromise.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 18, 2017 16:40:31 GMT
The partisanship in America has been growing for years and goes both ways. The US is basically in a state of partisan ping-pong, neither side will compromise on anything. Problem is, your system is dependent on compromise. Yeah. It reminds of me of nothing so much as the Prisoner's Dilemma.
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Post by jasonward on May 18, 2017 16:53:05 GMT
The partisanship in America has been growing for years and goes both ways. The US is basically in a state of partisan ping-pong, neither side will compromise on anything. Problem is, your system is dependent on compromise. Yeah. It reminds of me of nothing so much as the Prisoner's Dilemma. It's funny, it's almost because the US system demands that people work together to form consensus the politicians get petulant and refuse to work together. Whereas the UK system that paints a clear line between those in power and those not, and in theory gives those in power a more or less clear hand, what appears to happen, at least inside parliment, the politicians seek compromise (not always and not in all cases) because they know it's the only way half of them will make any difference. Never thought about this before, and the idea probably has lots of holes, but reading what sherlock said really struck a chord within me.
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Post by kimalysong on May 18, 2017 17:00:47 GMT
Republicans control both houses of Government. If they can't get stuff done well that is their fault.
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