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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
The focus has to be on the new Doctor or if your gonna have a new companion make sure their both 100% sure of their performance.
Chibnail can write as broad as possible long as his leads are confident
Use the Daleks they get guaranteed viewers, but make them a focus rather then a add on)
IF he wants Torchwood running alongside Who (fine seemly would guarantee a bigger dedicated interest)
But its not Chibnail's writing that will make or break his 1st season its his casting choices.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 13:01:36 GMT
The focus has to be on the new Doctor or if your gonna have a new companion make sure their both 100% sure of their performance. Chibnail can write as broad as possible long as his leads are confident Use the Daleks they get guaranteed viewers, but make them a focus rather then a add on) IF he wants Torchwood running alongside Who (fine seemly would guarantee a bigger dedicated interest) But its not Chibnail's writing that will make or break his 1st season its his casting choices. Regards mark687 The Difficulty With the Daleks - it must be really difficult to feature them every year and maintain their threat as credible. I agree they really should be centre stage, but I think this would ultimately undermine them. They would become too familiar (if they are not already), and if they are central to the action, then they must inevitably lose so the Doctor can win. This breaks down their sense of threat. Alternatively, they could be featured in cameos, as in The Pilot, which would have viewers - not unreasonably - complaining that they have been reduced to nothing more than an 'add-on'. But at least, if featured in a brief burst, they could be seen doing something obscene and frightening in passing, and be allowed to 'get away with it' and still remind viewers that they are still a force to be reckoned with. It would also make people more excited for their next story proper - at least, in theory.
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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2017 13:17:34 GMT
The focus has to be on the new Doctor or if your gonna have a new companion make sure their both 100% sure of their performance. Chibnail can write as broad as possible long as his leads are confident Use the Daleks they get guaranteed viewers, but make them a focus rather then a add on) IF he wants Torchwood running alongside Who (fine seemly would guarantee a bigger dedicated interest) But its not Chibnail's writing that will make or break his 1st season its his casting choices. Regards mark687 The Difficulty With the Daleks - it must be really difficult to feature them every year and maintain their threat as credible. I agree they really should be centre stage, but I think this would ultimately undermine them. They would become too familiar (if they are not already), and if they are central to the action, then they must inevitably lose so the Doctor can win. This breaks down their sense of threat. Alternatively, they could be featured in cameos, as in The Pilot, which would have viewers - not unreasonably - complaining that they have been reduced to nothing more than an 'add-on'. But at least, if featured in a brief burst, they could be seen doing something obscene and frightening in passing, and be allowed to 'get away with it' and still remind viewers that they are still a force to be reckoned with. It would also make people more excited for their next story proper - at least, in theory. Sorry I strongly disagree they are clear-cut bad guys they exterminate everything so you fight and it works, how many War films have there been? This modern take by Moffatt that every threat has to have a physiological or sociological statement behind it to work irritates me. You can tell I'm dubious as to where this weeks is heading.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 13:44:47 GMT
The Difficulty With the Daleks - it must be really difficult to feature them every year and maintain their threat as credible. I agree they really should be centre stage, but I think this would ultimately undermine them. They would become too familiar (if they are not already), and if they are central to the action, then they must inevitably lose so the Doctor can win. This breaks down their sense of threat. Alternatively, they could be featured in cameos, as in The Pilot, which would have viewers - not unreasonably - complaining that they have been reduced to nothing more than an 'add-on'. But at least, if featured in a brief burst, they could be seen doing something obscene and frightening in passing, and be allowed to 'get away with it' and still remind viewers that they are still a force to be reckoned with. It would also make people more excited for their next story proper - at least, in theory. Sorry I strongly disagree they are clear-cut bad guys they exterminate everything so you fight and it works, how many War films have there been? This modern take by Moffatt that every threat has to have a physiological or sociological statement behind it to work irritates me. You can tell I'm dubious as to where this weeks is heading.
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Fair enough I would say though, that war films are usually independent of each other and Doctor Who as a series features the Daleks as an endlessly returning threat. As such, their sense of threat is diminished a little by their failure to exterminate the Doctor every single time (except in The Stolen Earth). However, your views that the Daleks should 'exterminate everything so you fight and it works' is difficult to argue with! Big Finish's Enemy of the Daleks would make an incredible TV story in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
Use the Daleks they get guaranteed viewers, but make them a focus rather then a add on) Not gonna lie. I don't think the Daleks garuntee as many viewers as they once did.
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Post by coffeeaddict on May 27, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
I agree with those who argue in favour of resting some of the characters who have been overused in recent years.
I also feel that there really needs to be a shift away from this constant return to the companions current earth life so they can not miss out on school, family or their love life. Personally if I want to watch an earth based show, there's hundreds to choose from. Keeping Doctor Who tied to earth makes it less appealing and leaves me with little desire to bother following the show. As was stated, he has a TARDIS - use it.
The point about those who get killed staying dead is another good one.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 27, 2017 18:02:32 GMT
I agree with those who argue in favour of resting some of the characters who have been overused in recent years. I also feel that there really needs to be a shift away from this constant return to the companions current earth life so they can not miss out on school, family or their love life. Personally if I want to watch an earth based show, there's hundreds to choose from. Keeping Doctor Who tied to earth makes it less appealing and leaves me with little desire to bother following the show. As was stated, he has a TARDIS - use it. The point about those who get killed staying dead is another good one. They need to keep it tied to Earth for budgetary reasons. Making it less Earth-based would mean either a shorter series or less convincing special effects.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 7:07:16 GMT
Cast a immorally complex companion maybe someone who starts out quite a unpleasant character but the Doctor senses something special within him/her & over the travels we see the companion behaviour & outlook on life begin to change. So basically you want a TV version of Klein. Or the original idea of Turlough done right. That would be great. Yup, spot on I'd love that it'd be intriguing to discover if the companion changes there thinking for the betteror are they just playing games with the Doctor?
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Post by acousticwolf on May 28, 2017 8:22:29 GMT
New writers, new ideas. More travels through space, far less modern day earth. No more TARDIS as taxi cab for picking up and dropping off companions that want to have a normal life and adventures. You're either on board or you're not. Make a choice and commit to it. That'd do me, for starters. This. So much this. Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 9:53:17 GMT
Just my personal wishlist: - A darker, more adult (not in that way) series with scripts that are well written but children can still understand it. - Less orange/teal colour grading and making it look like a CBBC series and more of a film look; I hate the light teal night shots where torches look pointless! How about some true black levels with decent lighting. - Music composed in a way that helps the story, doesn't overpower the scene and isn't reused. Usually we just end up getting the 12th Doctor's theme whenever excitement happens, not even a variation, just the generic theme. Also, the last few title themes and sequences have done nothing for me. - Can someone please die and stay dead! Bringing characters back from the dead constantly means there are no threats what-so-ever. Even Gallifrey and Skaro survived death. What's the point! Well, that pretty much sums up my wishlist. Paraphrasing Verity Lambert, mature storylines without the mature content -- children are a lot smarter than adults give them credit for -- and I do appreciate a subtle soundtrack. There are a few exceptions, but generally, music on television tends to work best when you don't notice its there. It's not supposed to yank you by your front teeth straight through a plate glass window. They need to keep it tied to Earth for budgetary reasons. Making it less Earth-based would mean either a shorter series or less convincing special effects. I'm hoping that Chibnall does what he wants and doesn't go out of his way to emulate his predecessors, but I'd love to see them try the Sapphire and Steel or The Outer Limits approach. Stories in minimalist settings tackling complex ideas. Playwrights have succeeded in delivering much more through dialogue and acting than they ever really could on stage with visuals and science fiction works really well when this mindset is applied as well. Prioritise people over fireworks where you can.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 28, 2017 10:21:26 GMT
I'm hoping that Chibnall does what he wants and doesn't go out of his way to emulate his predecessors, but I'd love to see them try the Sapphire and Steel or The Outer Limits approach. Stories in minimalist settings tackling complex ideas. Playwrights have succeeded in delivering much more through dialogue and acting than they ever really could on stage with visuals and science fiction works really well when this mindset is applied as well. Prioritise people over fireworks where you can. That's what I thought worked so well about Knock Knock. It felt very self-contained compared to other episodes.
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 29, 2017 19:53:03 GMT
New writers, new ideas. More travels through space, far less modern day earth. No more TARDIS as taxi cab for picking up and dropping off companions that want to have a normal life and adventures. You're either on board or you're not. Make a choice and commit to it. That'd do me, for starters. I agree. I really want a companion who just travels time and space with The Doctor. The TARDIS always seemed to me a Taxi Cab, especially in the Fifth Doctor era and in the RTD era. And the fact that most companions have said "I want to go home," except for Leela and Mel Bush, and Nyssa seemed more excited about staying in a hospital full of lepers than staying in the TARDIS. However I always hate RTD's phrase against outer space travel: "the Zogs on Planet Zog are being threatened by the Zog-monster - but who cares?. (Idiot!) That's why I want to see more companions like the Ponds, unlike Rose Martha and Donna who always mention their family or wish to visit them or turn Powell Estate into the center of the universe, the married couple traveled continuously with the Doctor in the TARDIS as his house (or having sex in all time and space) until it was not until Series 7 that the writers remembered that they have life outside the TARDIS (which was refreshing after all the madness of Series 6, but it was annoying and boring with Clara who never convinced that she is a travel companion)
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 29, 2017 19:57:21 GMT
Many people asking that the dead remain dead. Yeah, I knew that Danny Pink was a shitty character but I hate him so much to make him forgettable.
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Post by elkawho on May 29, 2017 21:21:08 GMT
I agree. I really want a companion who just travels time and space with The Doctor. The TARDIS always seemed to me a Taxi Cab, especially in the Fifth Doctor era and in the RTD era. And the fact that most companions have said "I want to go home," except for Leela and Mel Bush, and Nyssa seemed more excited about staying in a hospital full of lepers than staying in the TARDIS. However I always hate RTD's phrase against outer space travel: "the Zogs on Planet Zog are being threatened by the Zog-monster - but who cares?. (Idiot!) That's why I want to see more companions like the Ponds, unlike Rose Martha and Donna who always mention their family or wish to visit them or turn Powell Estate into the center of the universe, the married couple traveled continuously with the Doctor in the TARDIS as his house (or having sex in all time and space) until it was not until Series 7 that the writers remembered that they have life outside the TARDIS (which was refreshing after all the madness of Series 6, but it was annoying and boring with Clara who never convinced that she is a travel companion) I'm one of those that actually LIKED the companions having a family back home during the RTD era. I loved getting to know them, especially Jackie and Wilf. But here's the difference, Rose, Martha and Donna didn't go home after every single adventure. And when they did go home there was a reason for it. It wasn't just to get up and go to work, or go on a date. When they travelled with The Doctor, they TRAVELED with the Doctor. They were all in. If a companion isn't, then they shouldn't be a companion. (Unless The Doctor is stuck or stranded on Earth. 3rd Doctor companions and possibly Bill are excluded from this.)
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Post by constonks on May 29, 2017 21:44:20 GMT
Something new.
(And arcs that make sense even when you look back at them three years later, but I'm honestly just assuming that someone who writes crime dramas can make a plot work.)
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 29, 2017 23:45:24 GMT
The TARDIS always seemed to me a Taxi Cab, especially in the Fifth Doctor era and in the RTD era. And the fact that most companions have said "I want to go home," except for Leela and Mel Bush, and Nyssa seemed more excited about staying in a hospital full of lepers than staying in the TARDIS. However I always hate RTD's phrase against outer space travel: "the Zogs on Planet Zog are being threatened by the Zog-monster - but who cares?. (Idiot!) That's why I want to see more companions like the Ponds, unlike Rose Martha and Donna who always mention their family or wish to visit them or turn Powell Estate into the center of the universe, the married couple traveled continuously with the Doctor in the TARDIS as his house (or having sex in all time and space) until it was not until Series 7 that the writers remembered that they have life outside the TARDIS (which was refreshing after all the madness of Series 6, but it was annoying and boring with Clara who never convinced that she is a travel companion) I'm one of those that actually LIKED the companions having a family back home during the RTD era. I loved getting to know them, especially Jackie and Wilf. But here's the difference, Rose, Martha and Donna didn't go home after every single adventure. And when they did go home there was a reason for it. It wasn't just to get up and go to work, or go on a date. When they travelled with The Doctor, they TRAVELED with the Doctor. They were all in. If a companion isn't, then they shouldn't be a companion. (Unless The Doctor is stuck or stranded on Earth. 3rd Doctor companions and possibly Bill are excluded from this.) That's why I hate Clara, and Tegan a bit, because one was a girl pretending to be adult who never accepted his role as companion and the other was an aggressive irrational seems to travel just to insult the Doctor. But the Ponds have a unique magic, between Series 5 and Series 7-A, it was the only time the TARDIS felt like a home. The clothes strewn everywhere in the console room, rock music blasting through the speakers and a darts tournament in "The Rebel Flesh" always makes me smile just like seeing Amy and Rory in pajamas and drinking coffee in "Night Terrors" as if they were just waking up. I also hate when RTD said that no one has rooms in the TARDIS or stay to sleep there and the Ten/Rose romance is sick.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 3:17:04 GMT
I'm one of those that actually LIKED the companions having a family back home during the RTD era. I loved getting to know them, especially Jackie and Wilf. But here's the difference, Rose, Martha and Donna didn't go home after every single adventure. And when they did go home there was a reason for it. It wasn't just to get up and go to work, or go on a date. One of my favourite images (which I want to use for a book at some point) has always been the Doctor running the TARDIS as a bed-and-breakfast for quick cash. Marc Platt brought up the possibility in Valhalla and it's stuck with me ever since. Maybe the Seventh Doctor uses post-it notes for room numbers and has Benny as a grudging concierge. They were all in. If a companion isn't, then they shouldn't be a companion. (Unless The Doctor is stuck or stranded on Earth. 3rd Doctor companions and possibly Bill are excluded from this.) I find it a really jarring change, to be honest. A bit of slipstream from the RTD years that hasn't quite been shaken off yet. It's made the most sense this season because of the vault, but other times it's felt more like the Doctor has become secondary to his companion's wants. Domesticity is all well and good, but you can have relatable earthy moments in the TARDIS, it's part of what it's there for. Ever since Totter's Lane, the ship has always been a symbol of stability. Plus, there's a tonne of really interesting things you can do aboard the TARDIS that you can't do with these repeated journeys back to Earth. And it's nothing we can't learn by talking with the character. Less is often more with a companion's Earth life.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 30, 2017 9:06:36 GMT
I can't say I agree. We need to see a companion's domestic life as it makes them easier to relate to. It fleshes them out, makes them more three dimensional as characters.
It's also great in that it makes the TARDIS purely the escape into the fantasy world. The companion keeps falling down that rabbit hole instead of the TARDIS becoming their normality after the first episode.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 9:20:23 GMT
I can't say I agree. We need to see a companion's domestic life as it makes them easier to relate to. It fleshes them out, makes them more three dimensional as characters. It's also great in that it makes the TARDIS purely the escape into the fantasy world. The companion keeps falling down that rabbit hole instead of the TARDIS becoming their normality after the first episode. There's a very big problem with that though. What about characters like Steven, Vicki, Sara, Romana, Liz or Jamie? Would Leela have been a better character if they'd popped back to the Sevateem and the Tesh every other episode to date one of her tribesmen? Would Romana if we took a trip back to Gallifrey in the same manner to do the dishes? What about K9, why not take him back to Marius every other week? There are a lot of characters bustling about all over the place that don't need that element to be three-dimensional and interesting people (whether they be wearing leather, made of tin or otherwise). I don't need to see Ian returning every other week to catch up on paperwork or Barbara change the oil in her car. It actually detracts from the magnetism of their character and takes them out of that wider, more wonderful universe. The Curse of Peladon isn't a marvellous story because of Jo's date with Mike. That's just a sidestep.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 30, 2017 9:29:39 GMT
I can't say I agree. We need to see a companion's domestic life as it makes them easier to relate to. It fleshes them out, makes them more three dimensional as characters. It's also great in that it makes the TARDIS purely the escape into the fantasy world. The companion keeps falling down that rabbit hole instead of the TARDIS becoming their normality after the first episode. There's a very big problem with that though. What about characters like Steven, Vicki, Sara, Romana, Liz or Jamie? Would Leela have been a better character if they'd popped back to the Sevateem and the Tesh every other episode to date one of her tribesmen? Would Romana if we took a trip back to Gallifrey in the same manner to do the dishes? What about K9, why not take him back to Marius every other week? . The answer to all those questions for me is 'yes'. My problem with a lot of the classic series companions is that we don't know a lot about their background, who they are and where they came from. In the new series we meet their parents and/or grandparents, or in the case of Amy and Clara we at least see their day-to-day lives. Even Sarah Jane Smith in the classic series isn't as fleshed out as the new series companions. We know that she has an Aunt Lavina but we don't see her until K9 & Company, and we don't find out the majority of Sarah's back story such as who her parents are until The Sarah Jane Adventures. SJA did a lot for Sarah Jane's characterisation. In fact, I'd even say there's a notable difference between classic series SJA and how more three dimensional the character is in comparison in School Reunion. I do think seeing more of Jamie's life or Romana's would have improved their characters considerably. It would have given us a deeper reason to care.
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