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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 6, 2017 12:39:31 GMT
Great cast including familiar BF names - and a companion for the Master! It's not a position I'd choose... how did Missy describe Bill & Nardole? Ah yes: 'expendables'... I just listened to the trailer again - one of the great BF trailers IMO. I can't say I often find trailers all that inspiring - but this one makes me want the boxset NOW! Of all the BF Time War-focused sets released or announced to date, this is the one which has really grabbed my attention and looks the most exciting. (I know that Eighth and War Doctor fans will disagree; fair enough, I am not the Master and you can ignore me, you can ignore me... ) I'm more excited for this than The Eighth Doctor: The Time War (which sounds fantastic) but not more so than I was for The War Doctor series. I love that the War Doctor and War Master of the Time War are Sir John Hurt and Derek Jacobi. Shame that we can't hear those two excellent actors face off.
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Post by Bazoolium on Oct 6, 2017 19:59:43 GMT
Great cast including familiar BF names - and a companion for the Master! It's not a position I'd choose... how did Missy describe Bill & Nardole? Ah yes: 'expendables'... I just listened to the trailer again - one of the great BF trailers IMO. I can't say I often find trailers all that inspiring - but this one makes me want the boxset NOW! Of all the BF Time War-focused sets released or announced to date, this is the one which has really grabbed my attention and looks the most exciting. (I know that Eighth and War Doctor fans will disagree; fair enough, I am not the Master and you can ignore me, you can ignore me... ) I'm more excited for this than The Eighth Doctor: The Time War (which sounds fantastic) but not more so than I was for The War Doctor series. I love that the War Doctor and War Master of the Time War are Sir John Hurt and Derek Jacobi. Shame that we can't hear those two excellent actors face off. I bet that was the original plan.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 6, 2017 20:15:59 GMT
I'm more excited for this than The Eighth Doctor: The Time War (which sounds fantastic) but not more so than I was for The War Doctor series. I love that the War Doctor and War Master of the Time War are Sir John Hurt and Derek Jacobi. Shame that we can't hear those two excellent actors face off. I bet that was the original plan. Wouldn't surprise me. Might have been one of the future War Doctor box sets they were planning.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 6, 2017 21:37:19 GMT
I can’t say I’m too surprised about the cast comprising of Big Finish staples. I’m surprised they’ve managed to get a four story set made with Derek Jacobi for £23, so something had to give. They’re all very talented though, so not a criticism whatsoever.
Looks like it’ll be out over the festive period too!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 22:11:47 GMT
Just to clarify, there was never any suggestion that the War Doctor would meet the War Master at any point during production of this set. This was very conceived very much as a standalone one-off. (And as some people have suggested elsewhere, commissioned and written long before John's sad passing, so not rewritten War Doctor tales).
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 6, 2017 22:15:08 GMT
Just to clarify, there was never any suggestion that the War Doctor would meet the War Master at any point during production of this set. This was very conceived very much as a standalone one-off. (And as some people have suggested elsewhere, commissioned and written long before John's sad passing, so not rewritten War Doctor tales). That's a shame. It would have been a lot of fun to hear the War Doctor meet the War Master. If this set is good (which I'm sure it will be) and proves popular, I hope it will go from 'standalone' to 'series', or have some sort of spiritual sequel with John Simm's Master set between The End of Time and World Enough And Time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 22:15:38 GMT
I can’t say I’m too surprised about the cast comprising of Big Finish staples. I’m surprised they’ve managed to get a four story set made with Derek Jacobi for £23, so something had to give. They’re all very talented though, so not a criticism whatsoever. Definitely not a case of something 'having to give' - more wanting to reward some of the finest audio actors I've worked with in recent years, all of whom give brilliant performances
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 6, 2017 23:25:07 GMT
Except if HurtDoc had met JacobiMaster he’d have thought Yana looked terribly familiar.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 7, 2017 8:23:45 GMT
Except if HurtDoc had met JacobiMaster he’d have thought Yana looked terribly familiar. Not necessarily. The War Doctor would have been a long time ago for 10, and we have seen the Doctor forget certain things from his past before.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 7, 2017 9:12:29 GMT
200 years according to War in “Day of the Doctor” and it’s explicitly said that ten goes over and over in his head what he did during thr War.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 7, 2017 9:30:20 GMT
200 years according to War in “Day of the Doctor” and it’s explicitly said that ten goes over and over in his head what he did during thr War. Doesn't mean he remembers it all. He still might forget odd bits.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 7, 2017 9:37:54 GMT
200 years according to War in “Day of the Doctor” and it’s explicitly said that ten goes over and over in his head what he did during thr War. Doesn't mean he remembers it all. He still might forget odd bits. What odd bits like The Master!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:12:17 GMT
200 years according to War in “Day of the Doctor” and it’s explicitly said that ten goes over and over in his head what he did during thr War. Yeah... It's very difficult to reconcile Day with a lot of what's come before it. I always cringe when I say this because he's played by the forever marvellous John Hurt, but the special and the War Doctor both really don't work for me on a fundamental (and for the latter personal) level. It's a broken toy where the clockwork pieces inside have been machined too small. Rather than tottering along with lights and a buzz, it sags in stillness and rattles when you shake it. That said, I always look at the War as an exercise in quantum superimposition like Schrödinger's cat. Once the War got declared and everyone had licence to mess about in space-time, it meant that the past, present and future were all up for grabs. As the Time Lords, capture the First Doctor in Totter's Lane and you have your CIA agent several centuries early. As the Daleks, advise the assassination squad sent to dispatch him of their future failures and he'll never get the opportunity to thwart their masterplan. Within all that in-fighting, incarnations and regenerations popped in and out of existence on a daily basis, some Unbound Doctors might only exist thanks to the effects of the War. There are likely thousands of the Doctor's incarnations (both old and new) who were involved or drifted by the conflict as it unfolded. Lives we'll probably never really know because of how temporally unstable they were. All that anarchy and this is just the Doctor. Imagine what they were trying to do with the Master during that time. It would be impossible to tell during that melee of vying timelines who exactly was the "genuine" article, the one that existed before the conflict was started. It's entirely possible that if he ever met the Jacobi!Master, he got dismissed as the Ghost of Christmas Cancelled. A phantom of a timeline that no longer existed after the War ended.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 7, 2017 10:40:12 GMT
Its going to fascinating if we hear the point where he goes from "I can turn this War to my advantage" to "This is a nightmare, I have to run and hide so well that I become a lowly human with no idea who I truly am".
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Post by number13 on Oct 7, 2017 11:10:54 GMT
Its going to fascinating if we hear the point where he goes from "I can turn this War to my advantage" to "This is a nightmare, I have to run and hide so well that I become a lowly human with no idea who I truly am". Regards mark687 That's what I'm hoping for too - and it seems likely we will - if "This was very conceived very much as a standalone one-off." they more or less have to tell his complete Time War arc in four episodes and reach the end we already know. Otherwise it would be missing the point of doing a single War Master set?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 7, 2017 11:18:32 GMT
Doesn't mean he remembers it all. He still might forget odd bits. What odd bits like The Master!? If it was one singular encounter with the Master in the scope of the great big Time War, I think it could be possible he could forget meeting Jacobi's Master. Or maybe the Chameleon Arch can wipe the minds of Time Lords the Chameleon Arched person meets so they don't remember seeing the face before?
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Post by elkawho on Oct 18, 2017 3:00:24 GMT
200 years according to War in “Day of the Doctor” and it’s explicitly said that ten goes over and over in his head what he did during thr War. Yeah... It's very difficult to reconcile Day with a lot of what's come before it. I always cringe when I say this because he's played by the forever marvellous John Hurt, but the special and the War Doctor both really don't work for me on a fundamental (and for the latter personal) level. It's a broken toy where the clockwork pieces inside have been machined too small. Rather than tottering along with lights and a buzz, it sags in stillness and rattles when you shake it. That said, I always look at the War as an exercise in quantum superimposition like Schrödinger's cat. Once the War got declared and everyone had licence to mess about in space-time, it meant that the past, present and future were all up for grabs. As the Time Lords, capture the First Doctor in Totter's Lane and you have your CIA agent several centuries early. As the Daleks, advise the assassination squad sent to dispatch him of their future failures and he'll never get the opportunity to thwart their masterplan. Within all that in-fighting, incarnations and regenerations popped in and out of existence on a daily basis, some Unbound Doctors might only exist thanks to the effects of the War. There are likely thousands of the Doctor's incarnations (both old and new) who were involved or drifted by the conflict as it unfolded. Lives we'll probably never really know because of how temporally unstable they were. All that anarchy and this is just the Doctor. Imagine what they were trying to do with the Master during that time. It would be impossible to tell during that melee of vying timelines who exactly was the "genuine" article, the one that existed before the conflict was started. It's entirely possible that if he ever met the Jacobi!Master, he got dismissed as the Ghost of Christmas Cancelled. A phantom of a timeline that no longer existed after the War ended. Thank you for this. Seriously, as someone else who still has a problem with the idea of the War Doctor (although I love how he is portrayed) this helps my brain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:19:30 GMT
The War Doctor and the War Master could have very easily confronted each other or gotten in each others way without ever actually coming face to face with one another. Especially if the War Master was actively trying to avoid the Doctor for once. After all there's nothing to say the War Master couldn't see the War Doctor's face and do his best to make sure the Doctor never saw his.
Hell, if River Song can know all of the Doctor's faces down through the ages without Ten recognising her, then I'm sure someone as cunning as the Master could do likewise and hide his latest face from the Doctor during any encounters they may have.
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Post by fantasticalice on Oct 19, 2017 17:38:01 GMT
The War Doctor and the War Master could have very easily confronted each other or gotten in each others way without ever actually coming face to face with one another. Especially if the War Master was actively trying to avoid the Doctor for once. After all there's nothing to say the War Master couldn't see the War Doctor's face and do his best to make sure the Doctor never saw his. Hell, if River Song can know all of the Doctor's faces down through the ages without Ten recognising her, then I'm sure someone as cunning as the Master could do likewise and hide his latest face from the Doctor during any encounters they may have. I would love a River and the Master story. It would work sooooo well. I'm this close to breaking down and buyin dark eyes just for MacQueen. He's a genius. He's due to show up again too. It's been a year! I am hoping that the new series will open up new windows and new oppurtinities. I would buy 'The Master Chronicles' in a heartbeat. Do a 4 cd box featuring Macqueen, Jacobi, and Beevers, and possibly have the last disc focus on Simm, or even Dreyfus, Wait.. yes! Do a 'Seasons of The Master' and have the 4th disc be a companion chronicle style with 3 25 minute episodes where each Master reflects on Delgado. The final episode could be Dreyfus reflecting on Gallifrey. But seriously we NEED a Master Bundle. Can everyone in the Uk give BF a ringer? "You WILL Obey Me!"
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 19, 2017 18:35:42 GMT
I like the idea of the War Master settings events in motion that the War Doctor ultimately has to intervene with. Potentially without either of them knowing each other is involved. It’s worked very effectively with the Twelfth Doctor and Missy; The Zygon Invasion / Inversion and the whole arc of that series I suppose.
Alas, it won’t happen given the War Doctor range ended for obvious reasons.
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