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Post by mark687 on Sept 3, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
Just out of interest - because I genuinely find it a curious thing - why is it an issue for people to have new series narrated productions with actors other than the Doctor, when the Short Trips range routinely tell stories within eras where the Doctors are in full-cast productions at Big Finish. Why does the new series have to be only one and not the other? Surely there's room for audiobooks and full-cast to exist side by side. One doesn't lessen the other? Because in this instance its someone completely outside the series doing it.
If it was John B, Camille. Alex K, Catherine ect doing the narration I'd probably consider buying them.
Also as I said earlier he's just off enough for me not to buy into the impression (as was Nick's 9th)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 15:41:58 GMT
Unfortunately he's just off key enough for me to notice.
www.youtube.com/user/JakeDunsbridge Focus on the proper Docs while we've got them please BF and wait for the proper post 2005 performers (DW without a proper Doc or proper companion in it isn't DW.)
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(Dangerous precedent set here for the future as well)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 15:45:10 GMT
Any tenth doctor story would work for me only if it had a certain Mr. Tennant in it . just my opinion though . to each one their taste
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Post by aztec on Sept 3, 2017 15:58:37 GMT
I am now immensely regretting purchasing this. I really dislike impressions and recasts; it's the key reason why I have zero interest in the Third Doctor Adventures range. I gave the Ninth Doctor Chronicles a pass because it's pretty unlikely we'll ever hear Chris Eccleston, and because it was Nick himself standing in. But this? This I don't care for one bit. Agreed, I have no interest in supporting further recasting, if they aren't able to schedule/persuade the actors who played the Doctor's, they should just work around their absence rather than drawing attention to it with a recast, I don't understand why they didn't go down the companion chronicles or short trips route, Billie Piper, John Barrowman, Jacqueline King, Noel Clarke and Arthur Darvill have all worked with BF, some of whom would presumably be willing to do these stories, it's a great opportunity to explore/look at the Doctor from the companion's perspective. Obviously the Who license is expensive and BF is wanting to expand its New Who ranges, but this news makes me feel very uneasy, whilst I'm aware various fans are respected impressionists and do do voices for the New Who Doctors, hiring them merely to plug a gap on the market gives the impression each Doctor can easily be recast, doing stories with the character more important than the actor who plays him, for me a large part of the charm of BF is the nostalgia factor, listening to old actors reprising the character decades later, if BF didn't see fit to recast the 1st and 2nd Doctors approximately a decade after the Companion Chronicles started, why are they doing it with the New series Doctors already? It uncomfortably reminds me of some of the horrible responses after Sir John's sad passing, some on Gallireybase were already discussing who could replace him as the War Doctor hours after his death was announced... Reading back my earlier post, I think I may have come across a little biased/entitled and overacted (perhaps it was unfair to call this a recast as the stories are narrated and may not be entirely from the Doctor's perspective) it certainly wasn't my intention to offend anyone here or at BF, I just personally don't much interest in these chronicles releases, it's not exactly the format I have an issue with (as I've very much enjoyed the Companion Chronicles I've listened to and I enjoy straight audiobooks) but without the involvement of the main companion actors or doctors there isn't much of a hook for me on my limited budget, and the involvement of fan impressionists (no matter how talented many of them have proven themselves to be) is surprising, just seems a odd halfway recast. Then again, I'm unlikely to get these sets myself so there's little point in me sharing my views.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 16:05:19 GMT
Agreed, I have no interest in supporting further recasting, if they aren't able to schedule/persuade the actors who played the Doctor's, they should just work around their absence rather than drawing attention to it with a recast, I don't understand why they didn't go down the companion chronicles or short trips route, Billie Piper, John Barrowman, Jacqueline King, Noel Clarke and Arthur Darvill have all worked with BF, some of whom would presumably be willing to do these stories, it's a great opportunity to explore/look at the Doctor from the companion's perspective. Obviously the Who license is expensive and BF is wanting to expand its New Who ranges, but this news makes me feel very uneasy, whilst I'm aware various fans are respected impressionists and do do voices for the New Who Doctors, hiring them merely to plug a gap on the market gives the impression each Doctor can easily be recast, doing stories with the character more important than the actor who plays him, for me a large part of the charm of BF is the nostalgia factor, listening to old actors reprising the character decades later, if BF didn't see fit to recast the 1st and 2nd Doctors approximately a decade after the Companion Chronicles started, why are they doing it with the New series Doctors already? It uncomfortably reminds me of some of the horrible responses after Sir John's sad passing, some on Gallireybase were already discussing who could replace him as the War Doctor hours after his death was announced... Reading back my earlier post, I think I may have come across a little biased/entitled and overacted (perhaps it was unfair to call this a recast as the stories are narrated and may not be entirely from the Doctor's perspective) it certainly wasn't my intention to offend anyone here or at BF, I just personally don't much interest in these chronicles releases, it's not exactly the format I have an issue with (as I've very much enjoyed the Companion Chronicles I've listened to and I enjoy straight audiobooks) but without the involvement of the main companion actors or doctors there isn't much of a hook for me on my limited budget, and the involvement of fan impressionists (no matter how talented many of them have proven themselves to be) is surprising, just seems a odd halfway recast. Then again, I'm unlikely to get these sets myself so there's little point in me sharing my views. I agree. It's not a question of their talent at all . it's just that I cannot accept someone else as the doctor
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 3, 2017 16:12:10 GMT
All I can say is that I have never heard of this guy - can't have done much in the North American market.
I have no real issue with this format - if the stories are good then all should be good.
As to the comments about these being produced out of greed - BF is out to make a profit, they'd be stupid to have paid for the license and then not make an effort to produce whatever content the license allows. If those products don't sell, then they can do a rethink.
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Post by mbt66 on Sept 3, 2017 16:18:25 GMT
It's good that Big Finish are trying something different, but I am more interested in hearing about The Doctor's Daughter series than this.
However if Big Finish announce a preorder for stories with Nick narrating and voicing The War Doctor I would be reaching for my debit card - so others may well be doing the same for this Tenth Doctor release.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 3, 2017 16:23:59 GMT
All I can say is that I have never heard of this guy - can't have done much in the North American market. I have no real issue with this format - if the stories are good then all should be good. As to the comments about these being produced out of greed - BF is out to make a profit, they'd be stupid to have paid for the license and then not make an effort to produce whatever content the license allows. If those products don't sell, then they can do a rethink. He wasn't strictly a professional actor before this I don't think, he directed a short wildlife film on Rhinos and a short Zom Com apparently. Jon Culshaw did the Curator scene from DOTD with him on Dudman's YouTube channel but that's the only thing I know him for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 17:39:51 GMT
All I can say is that I have never heard of this guy - can't have done much in the North American market. I have no real issue with this format - if the stories are good then all should be good.As to the comments about these being produced out of greed - BF is out to make a profit, they'd be stupid to have paid for the license and then not make an effort to produce whatever content the license allows. If those products don't sell, then they can do a rethink. I agree, as long as the stories are good, its what matters for me.
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Post by ollychops on Sept 3, 2017 18:11:10 GMT
I'm not sure why the recasting/impressionist argument is coming into play, because Jake Dudman is narrating the stories - yes, he might do the voices for the Doctors, but he's not replacing them, he's only acting as narrator. Nick Briggs did the same thing and there wasn't this kind of backlash for it (I know people weren't happy about Briggs narrating them all when it was first announced, but that was for different reasons).
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 3, 2017 18:40:43 GMT
... Nick Briggs did the same thing and there wasn't this kind of backlash for it (I know people weren't happy about Briggs narrating them all when it was first announced, but that was for different reasons). I'm not sure I agree with you there. For me it has always been about the format of them, as others have said. I adore the format of the Early Adventures, Companion Chronicles and Short Trips but they (generally) are narrated by people who were in the relevant era - no one expects a direct impression of a Doctor actor (except maybe the 2nd, with Frazer) and certainly not for one who is very much alive. That's the issue I had/have with Nick doing the Ninth and the reason I have held out from buying the bundle. This news just makes me glad I didn't cave after the first release and buy them. I would rather wait until they can get more "true" DT and MS era stories and if those can only be Companion Chronicles or Short Trips, that is fine! I can wait for David and Matt, I don't want impressionists when the actors are still alive. Blake's 7 with Dana and Third Doctor with Tim are very different. Also no offence to Nick's impersonation but I didn't really agree with Nine's Destiny of the Doctor story either (or Jenna playing a random person in Eleven's for that matter). These are a pass for me (probably the only DW stories I don't want). Cheers Tony
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 3, 2017 19:39:01 GMT
I would rather wait until they can get more "true" DT and MS era stories and if those can only be Companion Chronicles or Short Trips, that is fine! I can wait for David and Matt, I don't want impressionists when the actors are still alive. Blake's 7 with Dana and Third Doctor with Tim are very different. I don't think I actually see these as being much different than the situation with Dayna, where the performer in question has seemingly made it clear that they aren't interested in the role for the foreseeable future (with the exception of David Tennant, who had another 10th Doctor set with Billie Piper announced after the announcement of the Tenth Doctor Chronicles, so hopefully nobody is sending any messages to the original actors that they are unneeded or unwanted). Maybe if the podcast doesn't already do so, it wouldn't hurt for Nick to affirm that there are limits - I'm sure I'd like there to be some definite limits on this sort of thing, as would others - but if there's anyone I generally trust to handle things in the most respectful way, it's Big Finish. I might as well have a little faith in them, since I can't really expect to be in the loop on all the peculiar and intricate details of licensing, budgeting, and performer availability that might inform me why things may not be quite so egregious as they might appear at first glance. I might prefer that these be regular Companion Chronicles or Short Trips, for example, but I did have a little trouble adjusting to those formats myself in the beginning, and maybe the New Series audience might be a little bit harder to please - consider that Big Finish has been making stunning full-cast Torchwood, yet the response from some quarters has seemingly been distaste for audio in general. I also sort of feel for Big Finish since it might already be the case that they are in line to take heat for both the more a performer sounds like an original character, and the less that performer sounds like an original character. I don't think the news changes how I feel about the Doctor Chronicles in general - I'm very glad I bought the Ninth Doctor Chronicles, I thought they were a superb and very respectful effort, and I'll probably feel the same way about the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles - just very happy that we can even have such a thing for now. The Tenth Doctor I still have some mixed feelings about since Tennant is already working for Big Finish, bless him - but then again it may be true that we're already getting all of the genuine article that's humanly possible, and maybe it wouldn't hurt to let Big Finish go ahead and round out the Doctor Chronicles range?
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Post by Digi on Sept 3, 2017 23:10:12 GMT
Just out of interest - because I genuinely find it a curious thing - why is it an issue for people to have new series narrated productions with actors other than the Doctor, when the Short Trips range routinely tell stories within eras where the Doctors are in full-cast productions at Big Finish. Why does the new series have to be only one and not the other? Surely there's room for audiobooks and full-cast to exist side by side. One doesn't lessen the other? I think one of the great appeals of what Big Finish does with Doctor Who is how wonderfully authentic the productions are. By that certainly I mean tone, but it's a huge part of it that all the actors are there. Tom is opposite Lalla or Louise, Peter and Janet lovingly snipe at each other (maybe more in one direction than the other), Sylvester and Sophie still rhyme off each other perfectly all these years later, etc. Even the Companion Chronicles replicate this--they feel like a loving telling of a story, as though you're sitting across the bonfire from Jamie McCrimmon as he regales you with a story about an adventure he had with his Doctor. Without that emotional investment, without that history, without that authenticity, the whole venture just falls flat. And that's not just a New Who thing either; I've heard Short Trips narrated by actors who weren't part of the era they're portraying, I've heard some of the 3DA material, and found it to have exact the same problem. I don't mean any of this as an indictment of any of the other cast or crew. Katy Manning and other classic actors are there giving it their all, Tim Treloar and I'm sure Jake Dudman are fine actors who deserves work as much as the next actors. The writers are doing their best, as are the directors, sound designers, and so on. Nobody is doing anything wrong. But something fundamental is missing when a role is recast. And its absence is so glaring, it's impossible to overlook. I don't want to speak for anyone else here, but that's just my feel for it. EDIT: I also feel like I should be clear in saying that in no way am I saying Big Finish should not do this!, just that it's not for me, for the reasons outlined above.
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Post by constonks on Sept 4, 2017 2:18:10 GMT
EDIT: The news piece states that Jake isn't just playing the Doctor but narrating the whole thing like an audiobook which makes this fine, but here are my thoughts from yesterday (when I thought he was just playing the Doctor) for posterity:
So I love Tim Treloar and Elliot Chapman in their Big Finish roles and I'm thrilled that they're on board.
This one I'm a little apprehensive about. And to be honest I'm not 100% sure why. I was impressed by Dudman's Curator video, but I think this just starts to feel like a fan audio a little bit rather than something official. Maybe because Matt Smith and David Tennant are out there somewhere and might/have work(ed) for Big Finish.
I don't mind the enhanced audiobook format either, when the non-narrators play the right characters. If Dudman is narrating (and he has a fine speaking voice so why not), it's fine in my books. Nick was an alright Nine the same way Stephen Critchlow does a good Tom Baker. You'd never mistake them, but they're fine when it's part of their narration.
But the precedent is: They only got Culshaw in once to play Four and that was as a gag.
I don't know. Feels off. I'll check out trailers and samples though.
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Post by glutamodo on Sept 4, 2017 2:50:54 GMT
Jake, what a dud, man.
lol
Seriously, I don't mind BF hiring audiobook readers that can approximate the vocal sound of the characters they are enacting.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 4, 2017 7:09:50 GMT
Slightly off piste here, but if BF had Tom record the Culshaw lines from Kingmaker, and it's plainly an insert if you've listened to it, and then re-released it, I'd bloody buy it again! With the Culshaw lines from the original included in the Extras.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 8:04:03 GMT
Unfortunately he's just off key enough for me to notice.
www.youtube.com/user/JakeDunsbridge Focus on the proper Docs while we've got them please BF and wait for the proper post 2005 performers (DW without a proper Doc or proper companion in it isn't DW.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 9:40:04 GMT
I don't mind the 3DA and when the original actor is dead, recasts are fine by me. But the New Series all the cast members are alive, I don't like new actors impersonating Doctors that are very much alive, specially Tennant for pete's sake,who is working with them and doing full cast audios. If he's busy I don't mind to wait and I'm sure one day they will get Matt Smith (hasn't he said somewhere that he regrets leaving Doctor Who?) and maybe Chris E. will some day do a Tom Baker and accep to work with BF Yep, agree with this. I think recasting dead actors is fine, the 3DA are great (although I don't like narration & am not of fan of the Chronicles format) but if the actor is alive? Why bother? There are so many other great stories to tell maybe leave it until the actor in question becomes available or just don't bother. We can get further adventures of living Doctors who don't want to participate in audio with comics & books.
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Post by omega on Sept 4, 2017 9:58:18 GMT
I don't mind the 3DA and when the original actor is dead, recasts are fine by me. But the New Series all the cast members are alive, I don't like new actors impersonating Doctors that are very much alive, specially Tennant for pete's sake,who is working with them and doing full cast audios. If he's busy I don't mind to wait and I'm sure one day they will get Matt Smith (hasn't he said somewhere that he regrets leaving Doctor Who?) and maybe Chris E. will some day do a Tom Baker and accep to work with BF With the Third Doctor, Big Finish have been getting around it for over ten years at this point. With the Companion Chronicles going annual and exclusively First and Second Doctor, this was the only way to get full length new Third Doctor stories. Same with Elliot Chapman and Ben Jackson. As for the New Series Doctors, there's still potential for them to work with Big Finish. David Tennant has done six stories as the Tenth Doctor now. Christopher Eccleston could come back to the Ninth Doctor, Tom Baker eventually relented. Matt Smith is still working on his career, it's only been four years since he left the role. Big Finish do have the new series licence (up to Time of the Doctor at least), but they have found other ways to use it. There's the New Earth box set and the infamous Jenny spin-off, remember? The UNIT sets are clearly selling strong enough to justify a further four, counting Encounters. Torchwood is proving a massive hit despite what the whiners who just want new TV episodes say.
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 4, 2017 10:25:57 GMT
Jacqueline King is fine, I really like her, but it just appears lacking and scraping the barrel when she's the main attraction of the set. Jacqueline alongside, say, Bernard Cribbins, John Barrowman and Alex Kingston is very appealing.
I don't expect the set to have Billie, Catherine, John and Alex, but at least one of the main companions would do, you know? I think that justifies doing something a bit more offbeat (like Jacqueline), or a one-off (like Emily Brontë).
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