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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:36:30 GMT
I'm slightly thrown by people describing this as a 'recast'. It's not - any more than John Leeson reading an audiobook of the Invisble Enemy is a recast fourth Doctor. Copy of one of my pervious Post
Because in this instance its someone completely outside the series doing it.
If it was John B, Camille. Alex K, Catherine ect doing the narration I'd probably consider buying them.
Also as I said earlier he's just off enough for me not to buy into the impression (as was Nick's 9th)
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But there has always been audiobook(that's what these are, just with two readers) readings without people from the original show. There has been various readers such as Clare Corbett, Jon Culshaw who have not been apart of the show. There has even been actors who have no relation to the era they have been such as Beth Chalmers reading Frontios. Big Finish however have gone the extra mile by getting A) A reader that can sound close to The Doctor and B)are getting a second actor and in some cases, from the respective era. Also, while some people don't want this, which is perfectly fine, their is an audience for this. People are buying these and enjoying these. Telling Big Finish that they need to focus on the Classic Doctor eras is both unfair to them, as they have a licence that they would like to use, and to the fans of the new series who want these. Finally, this is not a slap to the face of David Tennant as it is the same as the BBC doing audiobooks without him as the narrator. EDIT: This sounds very ranty, and I wasn't looking to go after anyone in particular. Apologies if anyone was hurt by what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:50:55 GMT
I can't speak for everyone but I'd rather hear David Tennant in a Tenth Doctor story than somebody impersonating him! I'd rather quality above quantity. For me, sporadic Tenth Doctor Adventures with David Tennant are way better than Tenth Doctor stories with somebody else pretending to be him. Just because you can, doesn't mean you always should. Is there any reason you shouldn't in this case though? I mean, if there are people who are going to enjoy this... I think it's easy to confuse 'I'm not interested in/keen on this idea' with 'this shouldn't be done'. Creatively, why should it be done? My view is, David Tennant has already recorded two sets of Tenth Doctor audio adventures for Big Finish, so we already have Tenth Doctor stories to listen to. I'm sure there will be more at some stage, but I am aware David Tennant is a very busy actor. But there is no gap to fill. When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 4, 2017 15:51:33 GMT
Copy of one of my pervious Post
Because in this instance its someone completely outside the series doing it.
If it was John B, Camille. Alex K, Catherine ect doing the narration I'd probably consider buying them.
Also as I said earlier he's just off enough for me not to buy into the impression (as was Nick's 9th)
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But there has always been audiobook(that's what these are, just with two readers) readings without people from the original show. There has been various readers such as Clare Corbett, Jon Culshaw who have not been apart of the show. There has even been actors who have no relation to the era they have been such as Beth Chalmers reading Frontios. Big Finish however have gone the extra mile by getting A) A reader that can sound close to The Doctor and B)are getting a second actor and in some cases, from the respective era. Also, while some people don't want this, which is perfectly fine, their is an audience for this. People are buying these and enjoying these. Telling Big Finish that they need to focus on the Classic Doctor eras is both unfair to them, as they have a licence that they would like to use, and to the fans of the new series who want these. Finally, this is not a slap to the face of David Tennant as it is the same as the BBC doing audiobooks without him as the narrator. EDIT: This sounds very ranty, and I wasn't looking to go after anyone in particular. Apologies if anyone was hurt by what I said. None taken .
I'm just not keen on the Audiobook format in general, particularly with a completely outside the series reader/impersonator, when you can work with correct people on something else.
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Post by dorney on Sept 4, 2017 15:59:17 GMT
Is there any reason you shouldn't in this case though? I mean, if there are people who are going to enjoy this... I think it's easy to confuse 'I'm not interested in/keen on this idea' with 'this shouldn't be done'. Creatively, why should it be done? My view is, David Tennant has already recorded two sets of Tenth Doctor audio adventures for Big Finish, so we already have Tenth Doctor stories to listen to. I'm sure there will be more at some stage, but I am aware David Tennant is a very busy actor. But there is no gap to fill. When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. The problem with that is that there is nothing that really needs to be done, creatively. Somebody could quite easily say 'David Tennant has already done three series of Doctor Who stories for TV, so why do we need to have the 10th Doctor adventures'? And you're slightly splitting hairs to suggest we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles when Tom wasn't around, as that's making an artificial distinction between that and the CCs. Any 'artistic' justification you can make for the CCs would apply to 4th Doctor chronicles. You might not think there's a gap, but if there are people who are interested in the 10th Doctor chronicles and keen to get this, then there clearly is. You ask why, and that's a question that can be asked of all art, that is not in itself a justification for not doing. With art, the only legitimate question is 'why not', and if you can't answer that, there's no reason not to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:09:15 GMT
Is there any reason you shouldn't in this case though? I mean, if there are people who are going to enjoy this... I think it's easy to confuse 'I'm not interested in/keen on this idea' with 'this shouldn't be done'. Creatively, why should it be done? My view is, David Tennant has already recorded two sets of Tenth Doctor audio adventures for Big Finish, so we already have Tenth Doctor stories to listen to. I'm sure there will be more at some stage, but I am aware David Tennant is a very busy actor. But there is no gap to fill. When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. Why tell any stories at all??? Both formats can co-exist. And so long as people enjoy creating, writing and listening to new stories from eras they enjoy, with or without original actors involved, then why not? See also the BBC Audio releases. To answer your Tom Baker point, yes, there were Fourth Doctor stories with Lalla Ward narrating Companion Chronicles & the likes of Stephen Critchlow reading Short Trips. We've most recently had Rufus Hound narrate a rather wonderful adventure with Harry Sullivan & Sarah Jane. It's the first part of your final sentence that's important: 'some people will enjoy them'. Hooray to that! To suggest it's purely money-grubbing is more than a little unfair.
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Post by Bazoolium on Sept 4, 2017 16:10:57 GMT
I think it's sort of like if that new X-Files Audio had everyone but Gillian Anderson and a narrator took over her role. If these were straight audiobooks then I don't think anyone would have an issue.
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Post by Digi on Sept 4, 2017 16:15:42 GMT
Creatively, why should it be done? My view is, David Tennant has already recorded two sets of Tenth Doctor audio adventures for Big Finish, so we already have Tenth Doctor stories to listen to. I'm sure there will be more at some stage, but I am aware David Tennant is a very busy actor. But there is no gap to fill. When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. It's the first part of your final sentence that's important: 'some people will enjoy them'. Hooray to that! To suggest it's purely money-grubbing is more than a little unfair. This is by far the most relevant part of the conversation. I am vocally critical of decisions like these because I am put out by them, but that doesn't automatically mean that nobody should enjoy them. If there are people who will enjoy, then by all means do so. Who am I to begrudge people liking what they like? I don't like red/green peppers, but that's no reason to end their harvest everywhere for all time. (Pineapple on pizza is still a crime against humanity, however)
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Post by dorney on Sept 4, 2017 16:17:16 GMT
Creatively, why should it be done? My view is, David Tennant has already recorded two sets of Tenth Doctor audio adventures for Big Finish, so we already have Tenth Doctor stories to listen to. I'm sure there will be more at some stage, but I am aware David Tennant is a very busy actor. But there is no gap to fill. When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. Why tell any stories at all??? Both formats can co-exist. And so long as people enjoy creating, writing and listening to new stories from eras they enjoy, with or without original actors involved, then why not? See also the BBC Audio releases. To answer your Tom Baker point, yes, there were Fourth Doctor stories with Lalla Ward narrating Companion Chronicles & the likes of Stephen Critchlow reading Short Trips. We've most recently had Rufus Hound narrate a rather wonderful adventure with Harry Sullivan & Sarah Jane. It's the first part of your final sentence that's important: 'some people will enjoy them'. Hooray to that! To suggest it's purely money-grubbing is more than a little unfair. I like how both posted something very similar mere minutes apart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:18:52 GMT
It's the first part of your final sentence that's important: 'some people will enjoy them'. Hooray to that! To suggest it's purely money-grubbing is more than a little unfair. This is by far the most relevant part of the conversation. I am vocally critical of decisions like these because I am put out by them, but that doesn't automatically mean that nobody should enjoy them. If there are people who will enjoy, then by all means do so. Who am I to begrudge people liking what they like? I don't like red/green peppers, but that's no reason to end their harvest everywhere for all time. (Pineapple on pizza is still a crime against humanity, however) I was forced to have pineapple on pizza for more than 3 months.. so yeah .. i do understand..
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Post by dorney on Sept 4, 2017 16:21:34 GMT
This is by far the most relevant part of the conversation. I am vocally critical of decisions like these because I am put out by them, but that doesn't automatically mean that nobody should enjoy them. If there are people who will enjoy, then by all means do so. Who am I to begrudge people liking what they like? I don't like red/green peppers, but that's no reason to end their harvest everywhere for all time. (Pineapple on pizza is still a crime against humanity, however) I was forced to have pineapple on pizza for more than 3 months.. so yeah .. i do understand.. I sometimes have pineapple in a bolognese sauce. I regret nothing.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 4, 2017 16:23:40 GMT
I have no objection to the format. If I think the stories sound good I might invest, if I don't I won't. I've yet to encounter a format that has actually impeded my enjoyment of a story in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:25:32 GMT
I was forced to have pineapple on pizza for more than 3 months.. so yeah .. i do understand.. I sometimes have pineapple in a bolognese sauce. I regret nothing. Yes. there are always takers for everything. It's a question of individual taste.I know some folks who relish pineapple on pizza
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:31:20 GMT
Get back to work dorney.
And having read these as script editor, I can only add that having more James Goss & Matthew J Elliott Doctor Who in the world can only be a good thing.
If nothing else, this thread has reminded me to change my avatar.
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Post by Bazoolium on Sept 4, 2017 16:35:58 GMT
Get back to work dorney. And having read these as script editor, I can only add that having more James Goss & Matthew J Elliott Doctor Who in the world can only be a good thing. If nothing else, this thread has reminded me to change my avatar. Now we have to look at Sad Paul McGann
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Post by aztec on Sept 4, 2017 16:37:14 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here...
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Post by Digi on Sept 4, 2017 16:39:13 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... Seconded!
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Post by Bazoolium on Sept 4, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... Yeah, I don't think any of us think about BF actually seeing any of the rubbish we go on about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:41:37 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... It's always interesting to have the other perspective
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Post by aztec on Sept 4, 2017 16:42:48 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... Yeah, I don't think any of us think about BF actually seeing any of the rubbish we go on about. Now you might!
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Post by mark687 on Sept 4, 2017 17:13:33 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... A 3rd here
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