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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 4, 2017 17:28:28 GMT
I think it's sort of like if that new X-Files Audio had everyone but Gillian Anderson and a narrator took over her role. If these were straight audiobooks then I don't think anyone would have an issue. But it's not really because that would still be full cast, and The Ninth Doctor Chronicles also had Billie Piper as Rose absent. |
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Post by nudge on Sept 4, 2017 18:55:23 GMT
I view Big Finish like Tescos, they have some things I’m interested in, others not so much. And if they aren’t profitable they’ll stop selling them, but as all commercial businesses they aim to make some £££. Can’t begrudge any business that, as if they didn’t make a profit they would quickly go out of business.
I appreciate this is quite emotive, but for me an audio drama/book is meant to be entertaining, something to enjoy. Watched the link on the Big Finish website, the Great Curator and I was entertained. I don’t view it as replacing them, but Big Finish offering their customers an alternative whilst they wait for the actors.
The only reason I’m not particularly bothered with this release is that it is narrated, much prefer to listen to a full-cast audio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:07:28 GMT
When Tom Baker refused to do Big Finish stories for a few years we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles with Jon Culshaw did we? Big Finish were happy to wait and do proper Fourth Doctor stories, and yet they were still paying for the Doctor Who audio licence. So why the need (creatively need that is, obviously there is a making money part of any release) for the Tenth Doctor Chronicles? David Tennant has proven to be happy enough to work for Big Finish so personally I don't see the need for these releases, more Tenth Doctor audio adventures will happen. Why do we have to have everything now? So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. And you're slightly splitting hairs to suggest we didn't have Fourth Doctor Chronicles when Tom wasn't around, as that's making an artificial distinction between that and the CCs. Any 'artistic' justification you can make for the CCs would apply to 4th Doctor chronicles. Well, I do draw a distinction between proper Doctor Who stories that star an actual Doctor and those using a companion as a narrator. Had somebody like Jon Culshaw narrated as the Fourth Doctor in a Fourth Doctor Chronicles sort of set, it would - to me anyway - be a lot different to Lalla Ward telling a Fourth Doctor story from her perspective, as Jon Culshaw wasn't part of that era. I assume these Tenth Doctor Chronicles will be like the former in style, which was my point re the Fourth Doctor. (I wasn't a big fan of the CC's either to be honest, but that's a discussion for another thread!) So no, I don't see the point in Tenth Doctor stories narrated by Jake Dudman. Others will and that's fine. So for me, I really do think the Tenth Doctor Chronicles are a pointless release. Some people will enjoy them though and they will bring in a few quid... so hey ho, that's all that matters then. It's the first part of your final sentence that's important: 'some people will enjoy them'. Hooray to that! To suggest it's purely money-grubbing is more than a little unfair. Unfair? Yeah, it probably is, but to be honest my first reaction when these Chronicles sets were announced was that they were just a money grabbing exercise. If I am wrong, I apologise. The fact that I am not a great fan of the format doesn't help, but it's genuinely what I thought and how I saw these type of releases. The New Series cash cow and all that... As a fan who prefers full cast dramatised Doctor Who stories with a Doctor and companion I was happy to wait for proper audio stories with the Ninth and Eleventh Doctors and saw these type of sets featuring somebody not from Doctor Who as poor relations and pointless. Fortunately Doctor Who is a broad church and some peoole will love these sets... so good luck to them. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 4, 2017 21:06:49 GMT
This "but at least they were a part of the show at the time.." thing doesn't wash with me. That doesn't make the performance better because they knew the actor off-screen. Besides, unless I'm reading this all wrong we'll still get other "original" cast members along for the ride too as we have with sets like Churchill or the Ninth Doctor. Again, when it's a choice between this or nothing it's a rather easy choice for me as long as the stories are worth telling and told well and I can't judge that without hearing them first. Well... So far, seniority actually carries quite a bit of weight with me - it does mean a great deal to me that the First and Second Doctors have been portrayed by performers who played opposite Hartnell and Troughton (and to be perfectly honest I still haven't heard any of the Short Trips with Critchlow because I'm still getting used to the idea of them not being told by companions, can you believe that?) I'm glad beyond words that Big Finish didn't start up a 4DA range without Tom (and I think that probably speaks volumes about their actual integrity level)... But I just don't know why The Doctor Chronicles are really any different than Destiny of the Doctor. Big Finish didn't start up any New Series Doctor Adventures ranges without the star performers (and I hope they never do), but I think it would have been a shame (and a waste) for them to just leave out New Series Doctors from the DOTD series, regardless of performer availability - and likewise with the Doctor Chronicles, I'm sure. I don't think I'd be in the market for tons and tons of Doctor Chronicles, but I'm very much agreed with you that a little is much better than none at all. Also very much agreed with you that it makes sense for BF to try a bit of something simpler and more cost-effective with the New Series license - especially with what glorious productions the New Series releases have generally been. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 4, 2017 22:49:29 GMT
If you don't like it/not interested, then don't buy it. If you do like it/are interested then do so IMHO it's as simple as that  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 23:04:06 GMT
If you don't like it/not interested, then don't buy it. If you do like it/are interested then do so IMHO it's as simple as that Absolutely right, and I mean this respectfully, but this is a discussion board!  Personally, I don't need to hear 10th and 11th Doctor stories so much that I would buy these, when so few of the 'original cast' are involved, but I'm interested in differing points of view. As an aside, I had no real interest in the 'new' Third Doctor adventures until I read peoples' opinions about how good they were - now, I couldn't do without them! |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 4, 2017 23:05:57 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... It is nice, but for what it's worth we're the legitimate successor to the Big Finish official forum, and we all know that, and so do they So short of BF restarting one (not a chance) we're it. So I kind of expected to see the guys on here sometimes, and watch for lurkers too! |
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Post by number13 on Sept 4, 2017 23:47:40 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... It is nice, but for what it's worth we're the legitimate successor to the Big Finish official forum, and we all know that, and so do they So short of BF restarting one (not a chance) we're it. So I kind of expected to see the guys on here sometimes, and watch for lurkers too! "Yes, we know who you are..." It's a privilege to get comments, news and answers direct from BF sources. One highlight was when we enjoyed a very generous Q&A with guyadams on the thread for his superb and stimulating adaptation of 'The Shape of Things to Come' (one of the releases of 2017 for me.) Without that I wouldn't have gained the same insight into his adaptation - very helpful and fun too. |
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Post by Hieronymus on Sept 5, 2017 3:16:53 GMT
I don't know who Jake Dudman is. Americans don't know these things.
Neither will I go and listen to the other impressions he's done at this point, because I'd rather judge the BF work he does on its own merit, when it arrives.
I also understood from the outset that the title word "Chronicles" implies the format will follow that of the Companion Chronicles, as a two-hander production with a Companion and another actor. The two significant differences now being: (1) it will be New Series Companions, and hence a separate range, probably for sales and/or licensing reasons, and (2) the second actor will always be Jake Dudman.
Point (2) is slightly disappointing, as it means we likely won't have a two-hander with Karen/Arthur together, or Arthur/Mark Williams, or Catherine/Bernard, etc., but we haven't gotten that sort of pairing often in the Companion Chronicles either.
I'd say more, but the rest I'm thinking has already been said by others.
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 5, 2017 3:47:17 GMT
I don't know who Jake Dudman is. Americans don't know these things. Neither will I go and listen to the other impressions he's done at this point, because I'd rather judge the BF work he does on its own merit, when it arrives. I also understood from the outset that the title word "Chronicles" implies the format will follow that of the Companion Chronicles, as a two-hander production with a Companion and another actor. The two significant differences now being: (1) it will be New Series Companions, and hence a separate range, probably for sales and/or licensing reasons, and (2) the second actor will always be Jake Dudman. Point (2) is slightly disappointing, as it means we likely won't have a two-hander with Karen/Arthur together, or Arthur/Mark Williams, or Catherine/Bernard, etc., but we haven't gotten that sort of pairing often in the Companion Chronicles either. I'd say more, but the rest I'm thinking has already been said by others. Sorry, you haven't got that quite right  (1) It is not New Series companions, it's Jake Dudman. He reads the story, with (2) being a secondary character, though not necessarily a companion (as in the case of The Ninth Doctor Chronicles, where the only 'companion' was Bruno Langley as Adam, although Camille Coduri also reprised her role as Jackie Tyler for another of the stories). You are right in calling it a two-hander production though |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 5, 2017 8:00:01 GMT
If you don't like it/not interested, then don't buy it. If you do like it/are interested then do so IMHO it's as simple as that Absolutely right, and I mean this respectfully, but this is a discussion board! Personally, I don't need to hear 10th and 11th Doctor stories so much that I would buy these, when so few of the 'original cast' are involved, but I'm interesting in differing points of view. As an aside, I had no real interest in the 'new' Third Doctor adventures until I read peoples' opinions about how good they were - now, I couldn't do without them! Yes it is a discussion board, all I will say is don't be steadfast in your opinions if you are a bit ambivalent until there is at least a trailer to listen to. I have learnt so much on this and the orignal BF board just through general chit chat- I don't think we would want to give off the impression of being a little bit "ungrateful" as it were (if there is a softer sounding word please put that in there !) so as to have the BF peeps pop up and ... well.. all good.. Constructive discussions is always awesome |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 10:20:10 GMT
If you don't like it/not interested, then don't buy it. If you do like it/are interested then do so IMHO it's as simple as that Alf Stewart would be proud of this quote. |
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Post by glutamodo on Sept 5, 2017 10:27:25 GMT
I'm right up there with "wait and decide on our own terms" outlooks. I'm fine with the CC format and content to wait and see what BF and Dudman deliver.
Really, while I fully expected Tennant to come back to work with BF, I understand limited availability, and this seems to be an acceptable workaround. Smith, well, I really don't have any kind of feel if he really wants anything to do with the franchise at this time... and if that is the case, this is certainly an acceptable alternative.
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Post by Hieronymus on Sept 5, 2017 12:33:53 GMT
Sorry, you haven't got that quite right (1) It is not New Series companions, it's Jake Dudman. . . I believe I did get it right, and that some others are misunderstanding. It's New Series, as opposed to Classic Series. The Companion Chronicles are set among the Classic Series adventures with Doctors and Companions up to (and including) the 8th Doctor. And this is so even if no actor who played the Doctor appears in the story. And still so even if no actor who played a Companion on television is in the story. The Comapnion Chronicles included stories where the narrator was Benny, a companion from the novels. Or Peladon, who was never a Companion. Or Oliver, a BF original Companion. So we're certainly not in new territory there. Likewise, when BF released the Ninth Doctor Chronicles, a single actor (Nick Briggs) played the narrator, and all characters except for the one done by the guest "companion". And this Companion is either one from the New Series, or an original character set in a story during the time of the New Series, not during the Classic Series. So I'd say again that I've got it exactly right, which is why I don't understand all the sudden moaning and complaining about a pair of ranges whose direction seemed perfectly clear to me even before this announcement. |
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Post by Whovitt on Sept 5, 2017 13:02:25 GMT
Sorry, you haven't got that quite right (1) It is not New Series companions, it's Jake Dudman. . . I believe I did get it right, and that some others are misunderstanding. It's New Series, as opposed to Classic Series. The Companion Chronicles are set among the Classic Series adventures with Doctors and Companions up to (and including) the 8th Doctor. And this is so even if no actor who played the Doctor appears in the story. And still so even if no actor who played a Companion on television is in the story. The Comapnion Chronicles included stories where the narrator was Benny, a companion from the novels. Or Peladon, who was never a Companion. Or Oliver, a BF original Companion. So we're certainly not in new territory there. Likewise, when BF released the Ninth Doctor Chronicles, a single actor (Nick Briggs) played the narrator, and all characters except for the one done by the guest "companion". And this Companion is either one from the New Series, or an original character set in a story during the time of the New Series, not during the Classic Series. So I'd say again that I've got it exactly right, which is why I don't understand all the sudden moaning and complaining about a pair of ranges whose direction seemed perfectly clear to me even before this announcement. Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as rude!  I may have misinterpreted the way you phrased it. I'm really sorry if I caused any offence. |
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 5, 2017 18:50:34 GMT
Even though this might be a bit late, I just read the thread and one thing that I found really jarring and disrespectful, especially coming from BF fans (yes, Big Finish, that company that was essentially born from a fan production company), is that some seem to think that, just because Jake Dudman is a youtuber and impressionist he couldn't possibly be good enough to play a "high-profile character". Well, if you didn't know, he is a trained actor, and quite a good one at that, and, anyway, this is not a recast (as many have already said) but a narrated audiobook, with two (if the 9DC is anything to go by) performers, which is not his first. So, please, don't question his professionalism.
And if you don't like this because Jake hasn't been in DW (he has worked with BF in the War Master boxset) with Tennant or Smith, is it any different to Nicola Bryant performing the 12th Doctor audiobook The Lost Planet, or Kerry Shale (who had a minor supporting role in an 11th Doctor episode) performing The Lost Angel? Their impressions of Capaldi left a lot to be desired, but the stories were entertaining nonetheless (even though I prefer full-cast), so having someone who can do the voice
more accurately will only be an improvement.
But what do I know? Just my two cents.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 5, 2017 19:58:06 GMT
I view Big Finish like Tescos, they have some things I’m interested in, others not so much. And if they aren’t profitable they’ll stop selling them, but as all commercial businesses they aim to make some £££. Can’t begrudge any business that, as if they didn’t make a profit they would quickly go out of business. But do they believe that every little helps?  |
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Post by stargazer on Sept 6, 2017 0:28:08 GMT
Well, I can't wait for these releases. Big Finish has never really left us down before. This is an audiobook reading, Jake Dudman isn't really taking over the role, it's just a nice bit of a jolt and hype and a nice nod to the fandom.
While I can understanding people preferring full-cast, in the end, I just want good stories with Nine, Ten and Eleven regardless of format and to have the talents of Big Finish unleashed upon their eras is too exciting prospect too exciting to miss out upon.
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Post by dorney on Sept 6, 2017 9:10:13 GMT
Can I just say how nice it is to have Big Finish writers such as the brilliant dorney and @mattfitton drop by this little fan forum occasionally and share their viewpoints, BF news or answer some of our questions etc, always in a professional, considered manner, even when some of the discussion here can get a bit heated or opinionated. It's really interesting to get the personal point of view of some of the crew involved with BF productions, or obscure questions answered in more detail, and it's always appreciated that you are willing to drop by and do so, I sometimes forget what a small company BF is, and having heard both of your voices in BF productions/behind the scenes interviews, it's slightly surreal to think you may be reading some of my rambling posts here... A 3rd here
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 7:06:42 GMT
We appreciate your involvement & other BF writer's on this friendly forum, which i think is one of the nicest Doctor Who forums that i am a member of. |
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Personally, I don't need to hear 10th and 11th Doctor stories so much that I would buy these, when so few of the 'original cast' are involved, but I'm interested in differing points of view. As an aside, I had no real interest in the 'new' Third Doctor adventures until I read peoples' opinions about how good they were - now, I couldn't do without them!
I may have misinterpreted the way you phrased it. I'm really sorry if I caused any offence.
