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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:28:31 GMT
True, I get that, but Star Wars tends to fall prey to that nowadays anyway with Leia floating back through the vacuum of space and that Stormtrooper chap who yelled "Traitor!" in TFA, among other things. Going to the theatres with a hardcore fan and a casual viewer makes for some interesting post-film talks. One talking about Force Bubble, the other asking why that wasn't put in the script. Him saying it was in a book from the late 90s, her saying that she shouldn't have to read the book to understand the film, etc. Having done marketing (blegh), roping them all under the Legends banner feels like a marketing move. I think more than anything it was done so they could push their new EU material as being more relevant to the current trilogy, while still retaining their former fanbase. Not even one day as it turns out, Thrawn has already made an appearance in Rebels and the Mandalorians frequented in The Clone Wars quite a bit (to the point that Mandalore got an appearance). I'd be pretty bewildered if the Emperor's Hand didn't pop up sooner rather than later. I've heard they have appropriated elements from the Extended Universe, but, I haven't the budget to check out much of the new EU material, sadly I do think one day though we'll see something new set in the old EU. I don't think it's just savy Disney marketing, though - I think there is a genuine concern and sense of preservation that these stories aren't 'lost', just as Dark Horse reprinted Marvel's material in the nineties and Marvel is doing likewise. Nor I, for the time being. Oh, absolutely, most likely when the film trilogy is done and it's well set-up. I don't think we've quite seen the end of those characters or that universe. Yeah. Yeah, I can definitely see that. It's very interesting reading the old Marvel comics published in between the release dates of the original trilogy when the mythology of the series was still forming. I have a particular fondness for exploring those periods, both before and after something comes along (TOS Trek in the 1970s, Thunderbirds written in the 1990s, etc). Sometimes during too, now that I come to think of it. After all, it's why I tracked down a copy of The Dalek Book. Who knew the Daleks were originally envisioned as vegetarians?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:52:41 GMT
Who knew the Daleks were originally envisioned as vegetarians? Me! The City of the Daleks strip gave us some interesting insights in to Dalek society, it was one of my favourite reads when I was a child...and here I am all those years later still a fan of Daleks, and a vegetarian!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:25:57 GMT
Who knew the Daleks were originally envisioned as vegetarians? Me! The City of the Daleks strip gave us some interesting insights in to Dalek society, it was one of my favourite reads when I was a child...and here I am all those years later still a fan of Daleks, and a vegetarian! The city reactors, the Daleks' "gardens", their invention hall, their museum of conquests... Y'know, if there were ever any books in the Who EU that desperately deserved a reprinting, it'd be these.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:25:09 GMT
The City of the Daleks strip gave us some interesting insights in to Dalek society, it was one of my favourite reads when I was a child... The city reactors, the Daleks' "gardens", their invention hall, their museum of conquests... The Storm-Blast Dalek, the War Leader Dalek...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 3:30:00 GMT
The city reactors, the Daleks' "gardens", their invention hall, their museum of conquests... The Storm-Blast Dalek, the War Leader Dalek... I've had this Dalek story buzzing in the back of my head for ages now. Gave it a bit of thought and now I'm thinking that if I ever get there, I'll try to stick in what I can.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 24, 2018 13:03:05 GMT
Did Moffat do something to contradict N/A canon in any tv episodes? (except saying something after he left).
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Post by fantasticalice on Mar 2, 2018 22:12:07 GMT
True, true, still a bit miffed about that tbh. I understand why they did it -- they had something like thirty years worth of canon in between -- but it still feels like a cheat. That's the thing I like about Who. The majority of the time, it's a soft reset like Terror of the Autons or Remembrance of the Daleks. I don't think you really need more than that, a lot of really excellent eras on the show were able to step out of their predecessor's shadow without having to kill their predecessor. The annihilate option feels a bit like a Carthaginian peace: they make a desert and call it canon. I'm a big believer in the non-binary choice when it comes to these sorts of things. I think the Doctor had parents and was loomed into Lungbarrow both. One likely led to the other, we've no idea who else's genetic data was inputted into the machine (the Other sure, but likely his mother and father too). The complexity makes him all the more intriguing and unique. It's fun. It's more then that, though - if your relaunching something as big as Star Wars, you want to make it as big and fresh and having information out there that detracts from that experience is a bit of a liability, particularly in light of the prequel triolgey. Disney wasn't just relaunching Star Wars for fans, but for a more general audience and the need for any sort of perquisite to read thirty years of material detracts from that. But it's nice to see that there's still respect for the EU under the Legends label and I'm sure it's going to be revisited in some form or another one in it's own space one day. But now, let me say it: MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I just never understood why all the star wars fans went so batshit over it. Disney called it Legends. Or aka "We're not saying it didn't happen But perhaps it happened with subtle differences." Doctor Who is daunting enough but it really hampers storytelling to have to have a continuity editor for 1980s comic books and not be able to tell a story like in Force Awakens because post Return of the Jedi novels contradict it. Doctor Who has fared pretty well in the modern era and the main continuity issues are in the books. But ultimately they don't let the possibility of an error destroy a good story. It was also really admirable how they did TDF and WEAT which effectively canonised EVERY Cyberman story. And there's always the Time War and 8's infamous amnesia for the NAs. There's a fanfic floating around out there that trys to reconcile both Human Natures. It goes off on way too many tangents but the story involving Martha and Benny and The Two Doctors is relatively solid. I also think due to TWO Time Wars in the 8th Doctor's timeline if anything from his or his previous incarnation's stories doesn't add up you can blame that. The 7th and 8th Doctor have easily had the most tortured and manipulated lives of all incarnations. Maybe that's why he didn't even look outside when he arrived in SF. I mean, it's not like the 7th Doctor was in Long Beach. Brutal violence in SF is not common.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 11:23:23 GMT
It's more then that, though - if your relaunching something as big as Star Wars, you want to make it as big and fresh and having information out there that detracts from that experience is a bit of a liability, particularly in light of the prequel triolgey. Disney wasn't just relaunching Star Wars for fans, but for a more general audience and the need for any sort of perquisite to read thirty years of material detracts from that. But it's nice to see that there's still respect for the EU under the Legends label and I'm sure it's going to be revisited in some form or another one in it's own space one day. But now, let me say it: MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I just never understood why all the star wars fans went so batshit over it. Disney called it Legends. Or aka "We're not saying it didn't happen But perhaps it happened with subtle differences." Doctor Who is daunting enough but it really hampers storytelling to have to have a continuity editor for 1980s comic books and not be able to tell a story like in Force Awakens because post Return of the Jedi novels contradict it. Doctor Who has fared pretty well in the modern era and the main continuity issues are in the books. But ultimately they don't let the possibility of an error destroy a good story. It was also really admirable how they did TDF and WEAT which effectively canonised EVERY Cyberman story. And there's always the Time War and 8's infamous amnesia for the NAs. There's a fanfic floating around out there that trys to reconcile both Human Natures. It goes off on way too many tangents but the story involving Martha and Benny and The Two Doctors is relatively solid. I also think due to TWO Time Wars in the 8th Doctor's timeline if anything from his or his previous incarnation's stories doesn't add up you can blame that. The 7th and 8th Doctor have easily had the most tortured and manipulated lives of all incarnations. Maybe that's why he didn't even look outside when he arrived in SF. I mean, it's not like the 7th Doctor was in Long Beach. Brutal violence in SF is not common. Weirdly enough, the only continuity snag from that entire era outside of Human Nature (and both are pretty distinct) is Lungbarrow and that's resolved by the end of that book. The rest of the range plays out like televised Who, sometimes right down to the episode count. Lungbarrow, in particular, actually provides context for why the Doctor has gone to Skaro to pick up the Master's remains -- it's on an errand for President Romana. The big one, the one that people tend not to talk about, is the EDA Interference where the Third Doctor is killed on the wrong planet. Shot through the hearts. But again, that's resolved. The Eighth Doctor stories in particular revel in the continuity errors through Charley's anti-time infection (Ben Franklin as president, no William Shakespeare, etc.) and Faction Paradox, a cult devoted to creating foul-ups in everyone's timelines (including their own). So, there's an in-universe explanation seized with both hands as well there.
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